Vietnam Defence Forum

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

We focused on air defense missiles, the lastest being SPYDER and 3M24UV systems, following our defensive doctrine. But maybe it's finally time to make some offensive ones for deterrent role.

As far as I concern, the MTCR only restricts the export of missile with longer than 300 km range and bigger than 500 kg warhead. It doesn't mention anything about technology transfer. I could be wrong though.

Incidentally, India has agreed to transfer missile technology to Vietnam, as well as technical support until Vietnam can self-produce these missiles.

MCTR restricts 94 critical technologies which range from propellants, warhead electronics, electronics not susceptible to EMP, seekers etc

http://mtcr.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf

Under MCTR pretext USA blocked Russian sale of a cryogenic engine to India

As the India-Russian agreement was being put in place, the US, in July 1993, arm-twisted Russia into stalling the engine supply saying it flouted the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). The US sanctions on Isro and Glavkosmos were a huge setback to the GSLV programme.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...lop-cryogenic-engine/articleshow/28449360.cms

 

[Viet]

MCTR restricts 94 critical technologies which range from propellants, warhead electronics, electronics not susceptible to EMP, seekers etc

http://mtcr.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf

Under MCTR pretext USA blocked Russian sale of a cryogenic engine to India



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...lop-cryogenic-engine/articleshow/28449360.cms

MCTR is a voluntary agreement. It is not a binding treaty. India can export any missile technology to Vietnam.

 

[Silent Knight]

MCTR restricts 94 critical technologies which range from propellants, warhead electronics, electronics not susceptible to EMP, seekers etc

Hmm, we'll see how it play out in the long run.

6. Is the MTCR a treaty?
No. The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.

 

[Viet]

Việt Nam, India bolster defence partnership
Update: December, 06/2016 - 15:14

Việt Nam’s Defence Minister Ngô Xuân Lịch and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar witness the signing of a co-operation agreement between the Việt Nam Air Defence and Air Force and the Indian Air Force in New Delhi. – VNA/VNS Photo


Viet Nam News
NEW DELHI – Việt Nam and India on Monday reiterated their desire to improve their bilateral defence co-operation for mutual benefit, peace, stability and prosperity in the Asia-Pacific region.

During talks with India’s Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in New Delhi, Defence Minister Ngô Xuân Lịch said India has always been a close, reliable friend and Việt Nam attaches great importance to their defence co-operation.

The friendship between the two nations was established by late President Hồ Chí Minh and late Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, and since then, the relationship has been nurtured, by generations of leaders and citizens.

People in Việt Nam remember India’s help in the cause of its Independence and reform, Lịch said. While India considers Việt Nam a key pillar in its Act East Policy, Việt Nam is also willing to serve as a bridge for India to develop ties with other members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).

Raising bilateral defence collaboration to a new level will contribute to the comprehensive strategic partnership agreed by the top leaders in September, when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited the country.

Lịch and Parrikar expressed their pleasure at the bilateral collaboration in training, peace-keeping, strategies research and exchanges of ideas at multilateral forums, as well as the signing of a co-operation programme between the two countries’ peacekeeping centres and a joint exercise between Vietnamese marine police and Indian coast guard in October 2016.

The Việt Nam People’s Navy and the Indian Navy have signed an agreement to share information on non-military marine services, while the Indian firm Larsen & Toubro has inked a contract to build patrol vessels for Việt Nam Coast Guard through the Indian government’s US$100-million credit package.

The two ministers agreed on a number of issues, such as the implementation of a Joint Vision Statement on Việt Nam-India Defence Relations for the 2015-2020 period, which involves increasing all-level delegation exchanges, especially among young military officials, promoting deputy ministerial-level defence policy dialogue, and enhancing collaboration in training.

India has pledged to help Việt Nam train officials, while Việt Nam has agreed to receive Indian students to study Vietnamese and open training courses for senior officials at the Việt Nam National Defence Academy.

The two sides also highlighted the importance of naval co-operation to carry out search-and-rescue operations at sea and implement the Code for Unplanned Encounters at Sea.

Both nations have agreed to entrust responsible bodies to complete necessary procedures to implement the $500 million credit package that Modi has offered Việt Nam to carry out joint projects in bilateral defence co-operation.

After talks, the ministers witnessed the signing of a co-operation agreement between the Việt Nam Air Defence and Air Force and the Indian Air Force.

A roundtable conference was also held the same day to discuss bilateral co-operation between defence enterprises of both countries.

Defence Minister Lịch will end his four-day visit to India tomorrow. – VNS

 

[hoangsa74]

You think those state of the art passenger aircraft just randomly fall out of the sky with important people on board? So naive. These aircraft (boeing) are equipped with devices planted by the cia that will render hydraulics, fuel systems, etc....useless. You honestly believe they can't find a 300 million dollar aircraft when they can locate the pubic hair on your nuts? Don't be foolish.

Think about it. Why the sudden change of heart when they decided to sell weapons to Vietnam? Because they know when it comes to it, they can locate and destroy the equiment you bought from them without ever leaving the war room.

The American people know all about it. They know their own government do not care about them. They know.

The Russian will disable your jets in mid air and reveal the location of your 6 submarines for $400 billion dollars worth of oil and gas deal with the Chinese in a heart beat. Only a fool would believe the russki would sabotage $400 billion deal selling oil and gas to the Chinese for a chump change of a few billions selling submarines to Vietnam.

idiots!

 

[TenLua]

The Russian will disable your jets in mid air and reveal the location of your 6 submarines for $400 billion dollars worth of oil and gas deal with the Chinese in a heart beat. Only a fool would believe the russki would sabotage $400 billion deal selling oil and gas to the Chinese for a chump change of a few billions selling submarines to Vietnam.

idiots!

LOL china is a nonissue. On any level. Sure they have an oil rig floating around, good for target practice. The US armed forces are bank owned now. They're used to topple non-compliance towards central banker.

I doubt you would pick up arms to defend the USA. Your fair weather loyalty, I see it.

 

[Silent Knight]

Looks like our favorite troll/idiot/butthurt boy has come back.

 

[Aqsuperman]

Well things do take turn here, if its not some Chinese barging in and pretend to win over imaginary argument then we have Ducanger with their pathetic rant. If his super duper logic work then South Vietnam would have not gone down in flame Gotta love how people think their way of thinking is wise when its real life result has back fire them in the face, probably President Putin or Trump should hire him as their personal adviser or situation analyst

 

[hoangsa74]

Its high time Vietnam paid attention to tactical and strategic missiles.

If Vietnam joins MCTR, India can legally transfer far more restricted technologies.

BM is too big for them. india should first help them produce shoulder-launched missiles. They're still miserably assembling the igla from kits supplied by the russki

 

[Carlosa]

SOUTH CHINA SEA EQUATION
Wednesday, 07 December 2016 |
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/edit/south-china-sea-equation.html

Growing India-Vietnam ties good for the region

In what can be called an upgradation of defence ties between India and Vietnam, both the countries, represented by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his Vietnamese counterpart General Ngo Xuan Lich, inked a long-pending deal this week, where India agreed to coach 30 Vietnamese Air Force pilots to fly Sukhoi fighter jets. This is the second such training exercise between the two countries. Indian forces have successfully trained Vietnamese submariners to operate Russian-built Kilo-class submarines. Bilateral ties between India and Vietnam are traditional and historic. Since time immemorial, India has stood by Vietnam in times of crises — be it during the Liberation War against the United States in the 1960s and 1970s; or when Beijing declared military intervention against it in 1979, which propelled Atal Bihari Vajpayee to cut short his China visit in protest. India has since then been consistent in its support to Vietnam — diplomatically, politically and morally. The bonding between the two countries grew by leaps and bounds, so much so that from just providing political and diplomatic support, they entered into trade agreements in defence and security cooperation. With the Modi Government assuming power, the relation reached new heights as bilateral ties were upgraded — from “strategic partnership” to “comprehensive strategic partnership”. There have been several high-level visits since then. The most historic of them was when Prime Minister Narendra Modi, during his visit to the G20 summit in China, made a short trip to Vietnam to sign numerous agreements, especially on defence and security sectors. Military engagements now include sale of hardware, intelligence-gathering and exchange, training in warfare etc.

But there must be a reason for the recent increased focus on arms sales and defence cooperation between New Delhi and Hanoi. And it's not just India, but Japan and the US too have found strategic congruence with Vietnam. The ‘China factor' has been the common thread which has propelled the three countries to increase diplomatic outreach to Vietnam. New Delhi and Hanoi have their concerns — both are on the same page as far as China's assertiveness in the Asia Pacific region is concerned. Vietnam is engaged in a bitter territorial dispute with the Middle Kingdom over navigation rights in the South China Sea and wants India, along with Japan and the US, to stand up to the Chinese threat. India’s concern on the other hand, has to do with China taking control of some of the world's busiest sea lanes where it is engaged in oil exploration activities. China, of course, is not happy with the new India-Vietnam bonhomie and warily eyeing the development. In view of the rising defence needs, it is important that both India and Vietnam nurture the ties further for mutual benefits. Nevertheless, India must not get bogged down. Remember, Vietnam may have strained political equations with China, but it also has a robust trade relation.

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The Russian will disable your jets in mid air and reveal the location of your 6 submarines for $400 billion dollars worth of oil and gas deal with the Chinese in a heart beat. Only a fool would believe the russki would sabotage $400 billion deal selling oil and gas to the Chinese for a chump change of a few billions selling submarines to Vietnam.

idiots!

BM is too big for them. india should first help them produce shoulder-launched missiles. They're still miserably assembling the igla from kits supplied by the russki

 

[Viet]

The Russian will disable your jets in mid air and reveal the location of your 6 submarines for $400 billion dollars worth of oil and gas deal with the Chinese in a heart beat. Only a fool would believe the russki would sabotage $400 billion deal selling oil and gas to the Chinese for a chump change of a few billions selling submarines to Vietnam.

idiots!

what happens if the Russians take Chinese money, say thank you and we share 50-50?

 

[Viet]

already posted in sis mado thread

a mix of old and new. imported plus domestic items, voila Vietnam made half automatic radar guided 37 mm anti aircraft artillery. all control units (radar, communications system, target finder, night vision gear) are packed in a special truck. with early warning radar detecting targets 40 km far away.

 

[Viet]

 

[William Hung]

Future of the Vietnamese Defense Industry - Market Attractiveness, Competitive Landscape and Forecasts to 2021


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...andscape-and-forecasts-to-2021-300374190.html


The full report discussed something about a 5000+ ton frigate from EU.

 

[Silent Knight]

Future of the Vietnamese Defense Industry - Market Attractiveness, Competitive Landscape and Forecasts to 2021


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...andscape-and-forecasts-to-2021-300374190.html


The full report discussed something about a 5000+ ton frigate from EU.

* cough * F-125 * cough *