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In Tay Son era, Quang Trung has strong naval fleet, " Tây Sơn đại hạm " Tay Son big ship with 80 cannons in one ship, 80 years later, Nguyen reign hadn't one capable ship to fight
I really don´t understand why the nguyen fked everything up. but it is as it is. and because of the nguyen incapability to defend the country they lost legitimacy, existence right.
 
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news of the day

at the cabinet meeting of August 30, the government approves a $29 billion infrastructure investment plan for the next 5 year period 2016-2020. interesting: $1.2 billion is allocated for R&D military industrial complex. Let see if we will be surprised by new toys :-)


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I really don´t understand why the nguyen fked everything up. but it is as it is. and because of the nguyen incapability to defend the country they lost legitimacy, existence right.
I don't know too, maybe it is the ignorant and the exhausted resources and people. We had more than 300 years of the war before the Nguyen reign set up, Trinh Nguyen War ( 1627-1775), Tay Son - Nguyen ( 1775 -1802), Tay Son - Thailand, TaySon - China ( 1789), and conflict the TaySon each other. In the first time of Nguyen era, they were still strong, Until we involved Cambodian- Thailand war and launch a full war aiming Thai and Cam While the country wasn't strong like our first time. France attacked when our military was the weakest in the history of 300 years.Only 10% our soldiers had guns, The number of soldiers knew to use guns properly even smaller than. The tactics of the commander weren't new and didn't improve at that time. Vietnam's fate was loom when Nguyen Hue died

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I don't know too, maybe it is the ignorant and the exhausted resources and people. We had more than 300 years of the war before the Nguyen reign set up, Trinh Nguyen War ( 1627-1775), Tay Son - Nguyen ( 1775 -1802), Tay Son - Thailand, TaySon - China ( 1789), and conflict the TaySon each other. In the first time of Nguyen era, they were still strong, Until we involved Cambodian- Thailand war and launch a full war aiming Thai and Cam While the country wasn't strong like our first time. France attacked when our military was the weakest in the history of 300 years.Only 10% our soldiers had guns, The number of soldiers knew to use guns properly even smaller than. The tactics of the commander weren't new and didn't improve at that time. Vietnam's fate was loom when Nguyen Hue died
We can't change the history. Tribute to the 1,300 soldiers who died in the battle of Danang of 1858, when a joint France-Spain expedition force assaulted the city.


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Trong cuộc xâm lược Nam Kỳ 1861, sau khi công phá Đại đồn Chí Hòa, quân Pháp thu giữ được:
"Một trăm năm mươi đại pháo, hai ngàn súng nhỏ Saint-Etienne tình trạng bảo trì hoàn hảo; đầu đạn tròn, đầu đạn súng cối chưa cho thuốc súng, hai ngàn ký thuốc súng; giáo, chỉa, kích cùng một số lớn tiền đồng được tìm thấy trong thành. Súng tay thì bắn bằng đá lửa; đó là súng từ thời đệ nhất đế chế. Các quả đạn thuộc loại láng, bằng gang, đúc cũng khá tròn; thuốc súng cũng mịn, cán khá đều hạt. Trong thành Kì hòa không thấy có súng bắn bằng bùi nhùi lửa, cũng không có cung, không có nỏ. Ta còn tìm thấy một số bản đồ An Nam; các bản đồ khá đúng giúp ta làm bản đồ trinh sát." (Histoire deL’EXPÉDITION DE COCHINCHINE en 1861)

Súng điểu thương Model 1777 cũng là trang bị tiêu chuẩn cho quân đội nhà Nguyễn dưới thời Gia Long – Minh Mạng. Đến năm 1826, súng điểu thương Delvigne thay thế vị trí của Model 1777 trong quân đội Pháp nhưng nhìn chung Delvigne chỉ có một số cải tiến ở khâu nạp đạn chứ chưa có gì quá vượt trội. Như vậy vũ khí cá nhân của quân nhà Nguyễn giai đoạn 1800 – 1840 không quá thua kém các nước phương Tây.
Tiếc rằng từ thời Tự Đức trở đi, quân đội bị bỏ bê, không có thêm trang bị mới đã đành lại còn cắt giảm cả trang bị cũ. Sau năm 1840, dòng điểu thương Model 1777 nhanh chóng lạc hậu nhưng không được thay thế, lại còn bị cắt giảm 75% số lượng. Năm 1848, quân đội Pháp đưa vào biên chế súng điểu thương Minié – loại được sử dụng trong cuộc xâm lược Nam Kỳ 1861. Tuy vẫn giữ cơ chế nạp tiền (muzzle-loading) như Model 1777 của nhà Nguyễn nhưng đã có thêm rãnh xoắn (rifled) và sử dụng hạt nổ (percussion cap).

Năm 1864, quân Pháp đưa vào trang bị loại điểu thương nạp hậu (Breech-loading) đầu tiên: Tabatière, nhưng nhanh chóng bị thay thế dần bởi súng trường (Bolt action) Chassepot Model 1866, sau đó là Gras mle 1874. Đến đây thì nhà Nguyễn chính thức bị bỏ quá xa.
Loại súng điểu thương mà nhà Nguyễn sử dụng là Saint-Etienne Model 1777 Flintlock, trang bị tiêu chuẩn của quân đội Pháp trong giai đoạn 1777-1826.
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Basically so.

Did you hear the story that they didn't maintain the howitzers properly, instead pouring medicine into the barrel and praying to the "god of guns"?

LOL. I had expected more from Dynasties that changed the names of their population. The age of superstition is still upon us apparently.

if one recounts the events back in those days, the Nguyen had theoretically a chance to stop the french invasion. for thousands of year in our history, in times of crisis, usually the ruler calls all men to the army, moblizes all country resources. but the Nguyen lost quickly the fighting spirit amid a series of defeats not only because of french far superior armed forces, but witnessing the great advances of the british made in China. if the chinese had no chance, how could Vietnam have a chance against France. back in the days, the french had the most capable land army in the world. the french navy stood just behind the might british navy. the french armies once conquered Europe, advancing as far as Moscow.

we had gunpowder weapons since the Le dynasty in the 14 century, with rifles and artillery. with hundred of warships at sea. but when the french launched invasion, we were backward agra country, while France a industrial giant. Look at the warships what Vietnam had

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comparing to the french navy
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french warships during the invasion campaign in the south of Vietnam (Saigon)
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Definitely outgunned. Still, asymmetric warfare could have worn down the French. No matter, there is still time for a rematch.

news of the day

at the cabinet meeting of August 30, the government approves a $29 billion infrastructure investment plan for the next 5 year period 2016-2020. interesting: $1.2 billion is allocated for R&D military industrial complex. Let see if we will be surprised by new toys :-)


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Developing a SAM system with a 300 mile range would be awesome. Can be mounted on ships.
 
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Pluto Plus UAV

the Navy acquires unmanned underwater robot Pluto Plus built by Italy's Gaymarine Electronics. special purpose: mine hunting. specs: low magnetic and acoustics signature, controlled by a fiber-optic cable or wireless link, batteries providing endurance of max 6 hours, speed max. 6 knots, cameras and three sonars can detect and identify underwater objects up to a depth of 300 meters.


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such identical UAV type deployed by Norwegian Navy
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All Eyes on China as Indian Premier Modi Heads to Vietnam
http://www.voanews.com/a/china-india-narendra-modi-visits-vietnam/3490788.html

Hanoi's need for bolstered maritime defenses against an increasingly assertive China in the territorially disputed South China Sea is expected to be high on the agenda when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visits Vietnam later this week.

Professor Sukh Doe Muni, fellow at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses in New Delhi, says the Indian leader's arrival Friday comes as "the question of South China Sea has come up in a big way."

"Narendra Modi's visit actually is the strong indication of India showing its friendship, camaraderie, solidarity with Vietnam, particularly at the time when Vietnam is facing lots of pressure in the region from China," said the former senior Indian diplomat, who once worked in Southeast Asia.

Modi's Hanoi stopover, which will make him the first Indian prime minister to visit Vietnam in over a decade, comes one day before he'll join the Group of 20 summit in Hangzhou, China.

According to Ngo Xuan Binh, director of the Institute of Indian and Southwest Asian Studies in Hanoi, defense is a key part of "traditional" Hanoi-New Delhi relations, and there are mixed reactions among the Vietnamese public.

"Some say Modi's visit to Vietnam before participating in the G20 summit shows how important Hanoi is to New Delhi, and it's also a signal to China," he said. "However, others say the visit has little impact on China, as it is a big partner of Beijing in many aspects."

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FILE - India's Brahmos supersonic cruise missiles, mounted on a truck, pass by during a full dress rehearsal for the Republic Day parade in New Delhi, January 23, 2006.

But Binh also says the recent tribunal ruling in The Hague, which dealt a legal blow to China's maritime claims, may bring India and Vietnam into closer diplomatic orbit. Vietnamese experts on Indian affairs, for example, have cited sources claiming that Hanoi entered high-level negotiations in June with New Delhi to buy BrahMos cruise missiles — the world's highest-velocity anti-ship cruise missile currently in operation — which has prompted concerns from Beijing.

According to IHS Janes, "talks in Hanoi included the option of stationing a team of Indian technicians in the Southeast Asian country to offer the Vietnamese assistance in using the [BrahMos] system," and that New Delhi officials suggest the weapons transfer might be imminent.

Vietnamese media quoted Indian Ambassador to Hanoi P. Harish as saying this week that New Delhi also hopes to reach agreements with Hanoi in areas of cooperation such as science, technology, defense and security. But it is unclear whether the two sides will sign any deal on BrahMos.

The Stockholm-based International Peace Research Institute recently reported that Vietnam was the eighth-largest arms importer in the world from 2011 to 2015, up from 43rd in the previous five-year period, and that India is one of the largest weapons exporters to Vietnam.

Rising tensions over the South China Sea maritime region in recent years have driven Vietnam to buy arms to defend itself.

This report was produced in collaboration with VOA's Vietnamese service.
 
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In Tay Son era, Quang Trung has strong naval fleet, " Tây Sơn đại hạm " Tay Son big ship with 80 cannons in one ship, 80 years later, Nguyen reign hadn't one capable ship to fight
Yep. The army under Nguyễn Ánh rule was still a serious force in South East Asia, even comparable to Western countries. Things went downhill after that though.
 
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Developing a SAM system with a 300 mile range would be awesome. Can be mounted on ships.
I hope the people in the army follow this thread, reading my posts here :D
yes, that is what I repeately say since I joined this forum: we need air defence destroyers as the shield of the fleet.

the next war will occur at high sea.

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