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Vietnam may have "informed" USA that it was deploying the EXTRA, that would make a lot more sense I supposed.

I couldnt believe that German media just revealed a big secret "Us supports Vietnam deployment of state of art guided rockets onto Spratly archipelago"
Lol.

As once before they reported Phung Quang Thanh died.
 
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He didn’t just merely said “informed” the USA, but said that VN wanted to make sure the US had “no objection” to it, which in essence means Vietnam was asking for US permission, which kind of contradicted the article anyway if he read carefully. If he wants to change his words now then thats fine with me. He should have done that in the beginning instead of his repetitive immature outbursts. Giving the same old excuse for his ruckus and outbursts is getting old and annoying. If he doesn’t want me to refute some of his absurd theories and claims (which are actually many but I ignore most of it), then he should refrain from expressing them. He has the right to express all of his opinions but I also have the right to refute it when I see it extremely absurd. His immature outbursts and attacks only makes him look bad, you should let him know that.

Well, I'm not his daddy to tell him what to do, but yes, everybody has a right to post their opinion anytime they like. I think we all know that @Viet has a tendency to interpret articles in a way that fits his thinking on the matter. Thats why I would prefer a google translation rather than his opinion of the article.
 
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I don't know why Vietnam must reveal the defence planning to any other nations ?
while, Vietnam in some aspects still be careful with US and they aren't allied.

We could see some cooperation in Coast Guard force, but not in Navy or Spratly island fortified forces.
 
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Well, it MIGHT go like this:

- Vietnam: Yo dawg, me deploying some stuff in Spratly Islands. Just so you know, me don't care about your opinion.
- US: Cool story brah.
- Russia: Buy more stuff, tovarish.

Yup, basically that.
 
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To Whom Mr. Ha Kim Ngoc met in 3rd August ? during the 8th Vietnam-US dialogue of political-security
Ambassador Tina Kaidanow was designated Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs on February 22, 2016. Ambassador Kaidanow is the Department of State’s principal liaison with the Department of Defense and manages several critical components of U.S. foreign policy, including the maintenance of the State Department’s global security relationships, the provision of more than $5 billion in international security assistance, bilateral transfers and the licensing of commercial sales of U.S.-origin defense equipment, the negotiation of international security agreements, and the implementation of the President’s Export Control Reform Initiative.

I believe, the meeting is for adding more weapons to Vietnam, not removing anything.
 
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Well, it MIGHT go like this:

- Vietnam: Yo dawg, me deploying some stuff in Spratly Islands. Just so you know, me don't care about your opinion.
- US: Cool story brah.
- Russia: Buy more stuff, tovarish.

Yup, basically that.

You Da man, holy night!! :tup:

On the other hand, I don't see a big deal about anyone's comments. Anyone could be wrong. We are all speculating here until something actually happens.
 
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Dat radar coverage doe.

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As Friend to China & Vietnam, Russia Would Be Perfect Mediator in Spratly Spat
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ASIA & PACIFIC
14:54 14.08.2016
http://sputniknews.com/asia/2016081...on-chinese-vietnamese-diplomacy-analysis.html

The dispute over islands in the South China Sea is deepening, with countries unable to reach a political settlement engaged in a military buildup in the area instead. For their part, Russian geopolitical analysts suggest that Moscow, a partner to both Beijing and Hanoi, can play a key role in resolving the two countries' quarrel over the Spratlys.

The quarrel over the disputed Spratly Islands is intensifying. Last week, anonymous Western diplomats and military officials told Reuters that intelligence had confirmed that Hanoi was moving mobile missile launchers from mainland Vietnam to five separate facilities in the Spratly archipelago. According to experts, the Chinese facilities in neighboring islands are within the missiles' range.

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As expected, Chinese state media issued a blistering response, warning that the move would be a "terrible mistake," and adding that Vietnam should "remember and draw some lessons from history," alluding to the three week Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979.

The Spratly archipelago consists of over a hundred small islets, their total area less than five square kilometers, with the largest, Taiping Island (also known as Itu Aba and several other names), having an area of about 46 hectares. The archipelago sprawls over a total area of over 400,000 square kilometers.

"This jumble," writes PolitRussia contributor Boris Stepnov, "is simultaneously claimed by Vietnam, the Philippines, China, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei; and this despite the fact that most of the 'islands' can only be conditionally called as such."

Discussing Hanoi's decision to place missile launchers in the area, the journalist suggested that "this demarche is the largest Vietnam has made in this area in recent years."

"It was obviously caused by the Hague Court of Arbitration's July 12 decision on the illegality of China's claim to the Spratly archipelago in favor of the Philippines," he added.

Commenting on the missiles' deployment for the Russian business newspaper Kommersant, Institute for Far Eastern Studies researcher Vasily Kashin suggested that the measure actually means very little in the conventional military sense.

"In real combat, the survival of these systems would depend on their ability to be quickly moved to avoid return fire." Accordingly, "the aim, when placing them on 100x100 meter islands," where there is literally no room for maneuvering, "can only be demonstrative," Kashin said.

As expected, the Chinese Foreign Ministry responded to the deployment by saying that Beijing "resolutely opposes [Vietnam] occupying parts of China's Spratly Islands and reefs…[and] carrying out illegal construction and military deployments."

However, Stepnov suggested that it's worth noting, for fairness' sake, "that China in its section of the Spratlys is building dual-use facilities that can be used for military purposes. Moreover, since 2013, China has been confidently carrying out engineering and the construction activities in the archipelago, building artificial islands, deepening waterways, and creating new berthing facilities…China, naturally, has said that the infrastructure has peaceful purposes – meant for search and rescue operations, as well as scientific research in navigation. Foreign analysts, however, have suggested that its main purpose is to strengthen China's military potential in the region. Specifically, China is now completing the construction of an airstrip on one of its seven artificial islands."

Thankfully, the analyst noted, a hot war between China and Vietnam remains unlikely, for the moment. "If China puts too much pressure on Vietnam, the latter will likely run to the US for protection, which is clearly not something China wants. At the same time, the two countries have experience of cooperation – for example, via the recent joint anti-terrorism exercises."

"The problem, as usual, has to do with oil," Stepnov wrote. "According to the US Department of Energy, the archipelago contains the equivalent of some 5.4 billion barrels of oil, and over 55 trillion cubic meters of natural gas. What's more, the region has a value as a fishery zone."

"And that's not the only problem," the journalist noted. "take a look at the size of China's claims: They are a bit immodest, aren't they?"

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Map showing countries' claims in the South China Sea.

"As we can see, the disputed archipelago is China's main sea route for access to Europe, Africa and the Middle East. About 60% of the country's total trade, and nearly 80% of its imports of hydrocarbons, pass through the area. China simply cannot afford to lose control over this territory; otherwise whoever does come to control it will be able to block most of China's maritime transport. Therefore, China is ready to buy the archipelago out from other claimants, and as can be guessed, is not enthusiastic about allowing the United States to serve as a 'third party' in the negotiations."

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Scarborough Standoff: Beijing Crosses Washington's 'Red Line' in South China Sea

The US, in turn, is not thrilled about the prospect of China strengthening its position in the South China Sea, Stepnov added. In fact, "ideally, Washington would like to see a war between China and an alliance of the other five claimants to the archipelago; if this were to occur, China's maritime trade would be blocked, and the US could rejoice and sell weapons to the belligerents."


Beijing has decisively rejected the Hague Tribunal's ruling in their spat with the Philippines, and vowed to defend China's claims to sovereignty over the area. "As for Vietnam, it's already been mentioned that their moves are a symbolic action. But here the US is a far more serious player, which has had a nearly constant presence in the disputed area recently."

Last month, the US Navy deployed destroyers including the USS Spruance, the USS Momsen, the USS Stethem, and the USS Ronald Reagan carrier strikes group to the South China Sea, with US Pacific Fleet spokesman Lt. Clint Ramsden emphasizing that "US Navy forces have flown, sailed, and operated in this region for decades and will continue to do so."

Against this massive force, the deployment of the Vietnamese missile launchers looks like "a mere trifle," Stepnov suggested.

"It's obvious that Washington is hoping for convergence with Hanoi and friendship against Beijing. The methodology is exactly the same as that which is used against Russia: surround China with unfriendly states loyal to the US."

At the same time, the journalist pointed out, "Hanoi is also steadily moving closer to Moscow and the countries of the Eurasian Economic Union, even while Washington attempts to attach it to its Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement."

As far as the dispute over the South China Sea is concerned, Stepnov noted that Russia's position is very simple, and fair.

Last month, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova noted that "Russia is not a party in territorial disputes in the South China Sea, and will not be dragged into them. We do not take any side as a matter of principle. We firmly believe that involvement of third parties in these disputes will only fan tensions in the region. Consultations and talks on territorial disputes in this region should be held directly by the parties involved in the format that they themselves deem appropriate."

There's a clear logic to the Foreign Ministry's position, the journalist suggested. "Given that so many countries have territorial claims, the solution is political, not arbitration-based. States should negotiate with one another, rather than delegating to organizations which not all parties recognize." This is what occurred in the case of the Hague's arbitration effort, which China rejected long before they ever made their ruling.

Accordingly, Stepnov noted, while "there is no sense in Russia meddling in the conflict, we can and must maintain partnership relations with all the parties involved," including by assisting countries militarily to ensure the maintenance of a military strategic balance. "This tactic is aimed precisely at preventing a military conflict from taking place.

Ultimately, while Moscow may not have the diplomatic or political capital necessary to help resolve the conflict between all parties to the Spratly dispute, at least as far as Beijing and Hanoi are concerned, Russia's many decades of friendly relations with the two countries may be just what China and Vietnam need in an impartial go-between. Who else if not Moscow can the two countries turn to if they are seeking a fair mediator – one who has no interest in the dispute except to seeing its peaceful resolution?
 
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'Terrible Mistake' Chinese Media Hints at War With Vietnam Over Rocket Launchers
http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160813/1044240469/china-sea-vietnam-rocket-launchers.html

On Thursday, China’s state-run Global Times newspaper warned Vietnam against the deployment of rocket launchers targeting Chinese facilities reminding Hanoi of the devastation that ensued the last time the two countries went to war.

"If Vietnam’s latest deployment is targeting China, that would be a terrible mistake," said the editorial. "We hope Vietnam will remember and draw some lessons from history."

The statement follows a Reuters report, citing “Western officials,” that Vietnam had deployed advanced mobile rocket launchers targeting China’s runways and military installations amid a brewing regional dispute in the South China Sea that the United States has been all too willing to meddle in.

"Fortifying the islands with rocket launchers, if proved to be true, will only demonstrate Vietnam’s determination to strengthen its military deployment," said the editorial. "Vietnam has been enhancing its control of the islets and islands in Nansha in order to consolidate the beneficial status quo."

Vietnam’s Foreign Ministry vehemently denied the report following the stern warning from China’s state media saying that the information about the rocket launchers was "inaccurate" although US State Department officials acknowledged that they were aware of the report and did not refute its claims.

The editorial ultimately laid the blame at the feet of the West, most prominently the United States, that incited the regional diplomatic row by encouraging the Philippines to seek a ruling from The Hague arbitrational court contesting China’s longstanding claim to most of the South China Sea territory.

"It can be expected that the West won’t easily give up using arbitration as leverage to pile pressure on China and continue to stoke more tensions in the region," opined the editorial. "The regional stakeholders should be wary of the West’s tactics."

Beijing has warned its people to be prepared to go to war over the valuable waters and islands of the South China Sea, home to one of the world’s largest natural gas and oil deposits and through which over 40% of the world’s shipborne trade travels each day. China has already deployed combat patrols to the area in an effort the head off regional efforts to seize on the arbitration court’s rulings to deprive Beijing of its historically held territory.
 
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You need a game changer like F-35 jet. You can't hope to win a conflict with china by having more ship or planes because china can build more ship and plane in 1 year than the russian can build 2 gepard for u in 5 years. u can't compete with china in number; the only way u can win is having technological advantage. China has air dominant over the scs. They can launch jets or bombers from the woody island to attack viet cong with impunity. Viet cong has nothing to prevent china from launching attack from woody island. Woody island is the unsinkable air carrier of china. Without any air cover; viet cong's ships are sitting ducks. Once viet cong jets and ships are destroyed; those garrison on spartly are dead or surrender. Simply put, viet cong military doesn't have anything that can prevent china taking over the spratly. Had viet cong been a closed ally of the u.s; u would have had the f35 and it will give u the decisive advantage over china. But since u viet cong chant anti American slogan all day on those retarded facebook page like tac chien dien tu and trai tim vietcong;u deserve what u will get from the chinese. U will not earn any pity from anyone. I would like to see u loose the spartly so u can stop barking all day about the Rvn lost the paracels

Ballistic missiles can take care of Woody island real fast.

Don't bring politics into the thread. Reported.
 
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Ballistic missiles can take care of Woody island real fast.
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What ballistics missiles? Scud? That thing belongs in the museum. Even if VN has the Iskander, the range won't make it to the woody island. Plus, one Iskander missile is about $5 million; VN will run out of missile first before the Chinese run out of SAM.
 
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