Vietnam Defence Forum

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lol do you think we are happy if you throw a one dollar coin at us?

What a delusion!

What we want is to command over our waters. That ensures our national security. We care of our naval assets, while you yours. That is the deal. Why should we take care of your nuclear subs?

That's your own problem, we are now building a navy that rivals the USN.

Do you want to stop us from consolidating the SCS with your own effort?

 

[frequency]

Lol do you think we are happy if you throw a one dollar coin at us?

What a delusion!

What we want is to command over our waters. That ensures our national security. We care of our naval assets, while you yours. That is the deal. Why should we take care of your nuclear subs?

That's your own problem, we are now building a navy that rivals the USN.

Do you want to stop us from consolidating the SCS with your own effort?

It would be stupid for both asian countries to kill each other. Why not work together? You guys are so dumb. US is the Eagle and they are watching you two killing each other then the US come in and take over while you are weak. God, what's wrong with your people. It is a simple concept but Chinese and Vietnamese can't fking get along. What the f are your problems with each other? Work together for fk sakes.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It would be stupid for both asian countries to kill each other. Why not work together? You guys are so dumb. US is the Eagle and they are watching you two killing each other then the US come in and take over while you are weak. God, what's wrong with your people. It is a simple concept but Chinese and Vietnamese can't fking get along. What the f are your problems with each other? Work together for fk sakes.

We are already the great leader of East Asia, but you guys don't want to compromise with us, but to conspire with the western powers.

We are too strong, the SCS is de facto controlled by us.

And if Vietnam follows us, there will be greater economic benefits for you guys.

 

[Viet]

That's your own problem, we are now building a navy that rivals the USN.

Do you want to stop us from consolidating the SCS with your own effort?

We take the challenge.

How many ships are you going to build?

If I recall, in the war against the Ming in the 15 century, we fielded 1,000 ships, with ship battle formation darkening the horizon.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We take the challenge.

How many ships are you going to build?

If I recall, in the war against the Ming in the 15 century, we fielded 1,000 ships, with ship battle formation darkening the horizon.

2 x 60,000 tons CV
2 x 80,000 tons CV
2 x 120,000 tons CVN

24 x 14,000 tons Aegis DDG
24 x 7,000 tons Aegis DDG

12 x 20,000 tons SSBN
8 x 12,000 tons SSGN
24 x 12,000 tons SSN
12 x 7,000 tons SSN

That's approximately the major capital ships that our navy will have in 20 years, not counting a bunch of frigates, corvettes, and AIP subs.

 

[Viet]

It would be stupid for both asian countries to kill each other. Why not work together? You guys are so dumb. US is the Eagle and they are watching you two killing each other then the US come in and take over while you are weak. God, what's wrong with your people. It is a simple concept but Chinese and Vietnamese can't fking get along. What the f are your problems with each other? Work together for fk sakes.

Of course it is fcking stupid if we both go to war. For what? We have seen enough wars. it is not only unnecessary but does not bring peace to either side in the long run. Working together is easier said than done. Because it is a one sided wish considering the huge imbalance of powers between the two countries. Not to mention the historically difficult relationship between us since 2,200 years. So things usually happen as follows:

- the best case scenario: China considers Vietnam as ally, similar to the case of Pakistan.

- the neutral scenario: Vietnam is considered as a "normal" country, like 200 or more other countries in the world.

- the worst case: China sees our country a small brother, a servant, a slave.

We can accept and even happy with the second option, but never the last scenario. Unfortunately the Chinese always resort to confrontation. They command we must accept the last option.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Of course it is fcking stupid if we both go to war. For what? We have seen enough wars. it is not only unnecessary but does not bring peace to either side in the long run. Working together is easier said than done. Because it is a one sided wish considering the huge imbalance of powers between the two countries. Not to mention the historically difficult relationship between us since 2,200 years. So things usually happen as follows:

- the best case scenario: China considers Vietnam as ally, similar to the case of Pakistan.

- the neutral scenario: Vietnam is considered as a "normal" country, like 200 or more other countries in the world.

- the worst case: China sees our country a small brother, a servant, a slave.

We can accept and even happy with the second option, but never the last scenario. Unfortunately the Chinese always resort to confrontation. They command we must accept the last option.

You can keep your claim on the SCS, but it is de facto under our control.

It is a win-win for both side.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Of course it is fcking stupid if we both go to war. For what? We have seen enough wars. it is not only unnecessary but does not bring peace to either side in the long run. Working together is easier said than done. Because it is a one sided wish considering the huge imbalance of powers between the two countries. Not to mention the historically difficult relationship between us since 2,200 years. So things usually happen as follows:

- the best case scenario: China considers Vietnam as ally, similar to the case of Pakistan.

- the neutral scenario: Vietnam is considered as a "normal" country, like 200 or more other countries in the world.

- the worst case: China sees our country a small brother, a servant, a slave.

We can accept and even happy with the second option, but never the last scenario. Unfortunately the Chinese always resort to confrontation. They command we must accept the last option.

China will never treat Vietnam as Pakistan because we don't have a common enemy such as India. And impossible to be neutral, we have conflicting interest such SCS and Vietnam south Asia domination, most likely Vietnam will use external power such US and Japan to balance China and we will be please to give Vietnam an appropriate respond, and History has shown that it's not China best interest to take Vietnam as small brother or slave because it's too expensive for China more to maintain it, we rather want to keep Vietnam loose and tame it when it's necessary.

 

[frequency]

China will never treat Vietnam as Pakistan because we don't have a common enemy such as India. And impossible to be neutral, we have conflicting interest such SCS and Vietnam south Asia domination, most likely Vietnam will use external power such US and Japan to balance China and we will be please to give Vietnam an appropriate respond, and History has shown that it's not China best interest to take Vietnam as small brother or slave because it's too expensive for China more to maintain it, we rather want to keep Vietnam loose and tame it when it's necessary.

You can keep your claim on the SCS, but it is de facto under our control.

It is a win-win for both side.

With both attitudes like that, no one will ever want to get along with you. You both do realize its stupid for China to go to war with Vietnam and vice versa? It only benefits the West.

This is the same that happened with Canada in the 1700's when the Natives asking the British for help against the American. During those time, the American and British didn't get along and didn't like each other. But you know what both did? The British and American realized that if they worked together and split territories they can eat that sheep and no bloodshed. So they did and they ate the sheep (the sheep is now the Natives).

Canada and US land belongs to the Natives and the Natives came from Asian region such as China, Japan, etc.

Your Chinese arrogance is blinding you from seeing the reality. You will not win against US when you trying to mess with everyone around you. It doesn't matter how many people you have (this was proven throughout history). I know that for a fact, not base on your fact. Your Chinese weapons were never battle tested, all show but no act. You have never fought any major war and testing out your weapon. So don't act like you can take on the US. US weapons are all real and battle tested and proven. Your Chinese made weapons aren't. So to think you can match the US's power is pure stupidity and naive.

Why not just work together and develop the relationship and realize bigger goals?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

With both attitudes like that, no one will ever want to get along with you. You both do realize its stupid for China to go to war with Vietnam and vice versa? It only benefits the West.

This is the same that happened with Canada in the 1700's when the Natives asking the British for help against the American. During those time, the American and British didn't get along and didn't like each other. But you know what both did? The British and American realized that if they worked together and split territories they can eat that sheep and no bloodshed. So they did and they ate the sheep (the sheep is now the Natives).

Canada and US land belongs to the Natives and the Natives came from Asian region such as China, Japan, etc.

Your Chinese arrogance is blinding you from seeing the reality. You will not win against US when you trying to mess with everyone around you. It doesn't matter how many people you have (this was proven throughout history). I know that for a fact, not base on your fact. Your Chinese weapons were never battle tested, all show but no act. You have never fought any major war and testing out your weapon. So don't act like you can take on the US. US weapons are all real and battle tested and proven. Your Chinese made weapons aren't. So to think you can match the US's power is pure stupidity and naive.

Why not just work together and develop the relationship and realize bigger goals?

Since when I said to have war with Vietnam? And yes go try to sell your bight example of US-Canada story to see if Vietnamese government will buy that ? and beside we don't have any native land to share unless you're saying to conquer Pinoy's land and split between us

And nope I'm not arrogance, what I said to @Viet is my realistic assessment of his 3 scenarios...and please don't talk fancy and brag US battle proven weapon, it wont scare us.

 

[BoQ77]

Don't turn this to China military news

 

[Viet]

Since when I said to have war with Vietnam? And yes go try to sell your bight example of US-Canada story to see if Vietnamese government will buy that ? and beside we don't have any native land to share unless you're saying to conquer Pinoy's land and split between us

And nope I'm not arrogance, what I said to @Viet is my realistic assessment of his 3 scenarios...and please don't talk fancy and brag US battle proven weapon, it wont scare us.

You are a troller. China is hopeless case. Believing you can take on America military eye by eye is a sheer ignorance of reality on the ground. In case you haven't noticed, the military spendings of America and her NATO allies are more than 10 times of Russia. If one adds other non NATO members such as France, Japan, S Korea and Australia, you will realize your great delusion.

When did China fight a modern war?

 

[Viet]

this news has already been posted, including the report of a Vietnam made component. though it is unclear what component is made. here is it.

Delivery of SPYDER anti aircraft missile system (Israel)

a friend-foe identification system is necessary to identify friend or foe (IFF)

Vietnam made friend-foe identification system: máy hỏi VN1 (MH-VN1), mounted on a trailer

 

[Viet]

EXTRA missile system as an important part of Artillery Corps. 120 kg conventional warhead, range 150 km, CEP 10 m, inertial navigation system (INS), guiding the missile to target by GPS.

 

[Viet]

2 x 60,000 tons CV
2 x 80,000 tons CV
2 x 120,000 tons CVN

24 x 14,000 tons Aegis DDG
24 x 7,000 tons Aegis DDG

12 x 20,000 tons SSBN
8 x 12,000 tons SSGN
24 x 12,000 tons SSN
12 x 7,000 tons SSN

That's approximately the major capital ships that our navy will have in 20 years, not counting a bunch of frigates, corvettes, and AIP subs.

that is an impressive list, but is not useful as it is designed to be. I won´t say worthless. because without allies and friends you can´t project power, nowhere, even with more aircraft carriers, destroyers and submarines. everywhere you go, you are met with suspicion and resistance. you can´t nothing, except staging exercises here and there and going home afterwards. your ships will rust, corrode with the times at bay. as you are not welcomed, you can play a policy of intimidation, showing your guns, but it is a short sighted policy.

Look at the map. you are contained by the navies of US and their allies as well as friendly countries. from Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Singapore, Australia, India. oh yeah you can take a long way and dock at Pakistan ports. the times, when other came to China capital paying tributes are long gone.