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New nhà giàn to be put into service soon !
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Russian shipyard to deliver two frigates for Vietnam in August, September
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May 17, 16:08 UTC+3 MOSCOW
Two Project 11661 Gepard-3.9-class frigates will be delivered to Vietnam in August and September, Zelenodolsk Shipyard CEO Renat Mistakhov says
© Lev Fedoseev/TASS
MOSCOW, May 17. /TASS/. Two Project 11661 Gepard-3.9-class frigates built by Russia’s Zelenodolsk Shipyard will be delivered to Vietnam in August and September, Shipyard CEO Renat Mistakhov said on Tuesday.
"We are currently building two ships for Vietnam. The first frigate has already been put afloat. The second vessel will be floated out on May 25," Mistakhov said. "We will deliver the two frigates to Vietnam in August and September."
The Vietnamese Navy received the first two Project 11661 frigates in 2011. A contract for the construction of another two Project 11661 ships was signed in 2012. The two ships were laid down in the autumn of 2013.
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http://tass.ru/en/defense/876235
Military & Defense
May 17, 16:08 UTC+3 MOSCOW
Two Project 11661 Gepard-3.9-class frigates will be delivered to Vietnam in August and September, Zelenodolsk Shipyard CEO Renat Mistakhov says
© Lev Fedoseev/TASS
MOSCOW, May 17. /TASS/. Two Project 11661 Gepard-3.9-class frigates built by Russia’s Zelenodolsk Shipyard will be delivered to Vietnam in August and September, Shipyard CEO Renat Mistakhov said on Tuesday.
"We are currently building two ships for Vietnam. The first frigate has already been put afloat. The second vessel will be floated out on May 25," Mistakhov said. "We will deliver the two frigates to Vietnam in August and September."
The Vietnamese Navy received the first two Project 11661 frigates in 2011. A contract for the construction of another two Project 11661 ships was signed in 2012. The two ships were laid down in the autumn of 2013.
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http://tass.ru/en/defense/876235
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Vietnam open to Russian return to Cam Ranh Bay
May 18, 2016 Alex Snegov, RBTH
Hanoi’s envoy cautions against military alliances.
Russian ships may return to Vietnamese waters. Source: Yuri Smityuk/TASS
Vietnam is open to the idea of the Russian Navy returning to its former military base in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnamese Ambassador to Russia Nguyen Thanh Sean told RIA Novosti on May 17.
“Vietnam's policy is to not enter into military alliances or to ally with one state against another,” Sean told the news agency. “In this context, the implementation of the Cam Ranh port for multilateral international cooperation to ensure that maritime transport services, repair of ships and military technology, to ensure peace and stability in the region is the appropriate direction.”
He added, “Although currently in the Eastern (South China) sea, there are many problems that need to be addressed, the ASEAN countries have common views that disputes must be resolved based on international principles, in particular the Convention of the United Nations Law of the Sea (UNLOS), the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea (DOC) and the Code of Conduct in the East Sea (COC), avoiding threats and the use of force, while diversifying relations, based on respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
The USSR used the Cam Ranh Bay naval base after the Vietnam War. Russia withdrew from the base in 2002.
May 18, 2016 Alex Snegov, RBTH
Hanoi’s envoy cautions against military alliances.
Russian ships may return to Vietnamese waters. Source: Yuri Smityuk/TASS
Vietnam is open to the idea of the Russian Navy returning to its former military base in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnamese Ambassador to Russia Nguyen Thanh Sean told RIA Novosti on May 17.
“Vietnam's policy is to not enter into military alliances or to ally with one state against another,” Sean told the news agency. “In this context, the implementation of the Cam Ranh port for multilateral international cooperation to ensure that maritime transport services, repair of ships and military technology, to ensure peace and stability in the region is the appropriate direction.”
He added, “Although currently in the Eastern (South China) sea, there are many problems that need to be addressed, the ASEAN countries have common views that disputes must be resolved based on international principles, in particular the Convention of the United Nations Law of the Sea (UNLOS), the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea (DOC) and the Code of Conduct in the East Sea (COC), avoiding threats and the use of force, while diversifying relations, based on respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
The USSR used the Cam Ranh Bay naval base after the Vietnam War. Russia withdrew from the base in 2002.
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I sure do. That air defense system is already set up with 23mm dual barrel guns and 14.5mm 4 barrel guns. I imagine they are now working with 37 and 57mm guns.
They are also working on a domestic air defense system using infrared missiles.
Put those 3 things together, the eyeball sensor detection system (camera & laser), the gun and infrared missiles and you have a poor's man Pantsir type of capability. Not bad at all.
Also, put together a gun, lets say the 23mm or the 37mm (37mm better) with the eyeball sensor on it and mount it in a turret and you have a naval point air defense system for ships kind off like the Palma (if you add missiles) or like the AK-630 but better since the AK-630 doesn't have the eyeball sensor.
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Funny the article should include this picture in particular: In July 2015 the Russian Krivak/Burevestnik frigate Ladny took part in Navy Day celebrations in Sevastopol and while Ladny demonstrated her firepower, one of her SS-N-14 missiles misfired and spiralled out of control before landing harmlessly in the sea. Quite spectaular!Russian shipyard to deliver two frigates for Vietnam in August, September
Military & Defense
May 17, 16:08 UTC+3 MOSCOW
Two Project 11661 Gepard-3.9-class frigates will be delivered to Vietnam in August and September, Zelenodolsk Shipyard CEO Renat Mistakhov says
© Lev Fedoseev/TASS
MOSCOW, May 17. /TASS/. Two Project 11661 Gepard-3.9-class frigates built by Russia’s Zelenodolsk Shipyard will be delivered to Vietnam in August and September, Shipyard CEO Renat Mistakhov said on Tuesday.
"We are currently building two ships for Vietnam. The first frigate has already been put afloat. The second vessel will be floated out on May 25," Mistakhov said. "We will deliver the two frigates to Vietnam in August and September."
The Vietnamese Navy received the first two Project 11661 frigates in 2011. A contract for the construction of another two Project 11661 ships was signed in 2012. The two ships were laid down in the autumn of 2013.
More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/876235
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The New York Times
Obama in Vietnam Will Focus on Future, Rather Than the Past
President Obama arrived at Newark International Airport on Sunday. Mr. Obama will visit Hanoi next Sunday.
ZACH GIBSON / THE NEW YORK TIMES
MAY 15, 2016
White House Letter
By GARDINER HARRIS
WASHINGTON — The pictures will be unavoidable, and the flood of painful memories unstoppable.
When President Obama lands next Sunday in Hanoi, his visit will be chronicled by photographers, cameramen and journalists who will track every public move of only the third presidential visit to Vietnam since the end of the American war there.
Mr. Obama’s former defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, said he is already bracing for the onslaught of recollections those pictures and articles are likely to inspire.
“I know those images will hit me,” said Mr. Hagel, whose 12 months as a soldier in Vietnam remain the defining period of his life, despite the subsequent years as both a senator and a cabinet secretary. “They’re going to make it all come back.”
For Mr. Obama, the trip to Vietnam offers an opportunity to help solidify not only his promised pivot of American policy toward Asia, but also to deepen economic and security ties with an increasingly important regional player.
But for the United States’ Vietnam War veterans, a presidential trip to the country where many of them lost their youth, innocence and some of their closest friends is weighted with powerful emotions and never-ending debates about that war’s consequences.
“There are still a lot of ghosts around,” Mr. Hagel, 69, said in an interview. “There is still a great deal of debate about Vietnam and what it meant for this country.”
“It still haunts us,” he added. “That terrible waste of lives, and the lessons we learned there, the terrible lessons that still hang over us.”
Mr. Hagel said that every decision he made as defense secretary and every piece of advice he gave Mr. Obama was informed by his experience in Vietnam. He now finds himself thinking more and more about the year he spent there in the 1960s. And he said he is certain to closely study the pictures from Mr. Obama’s trip: the lush green background, the people and their iconic conical hats.
One of the stumbling blocks between the two nations is the continuing belief by some in the United States that there may still be captive American soldiers held there, the kind of mythology that was fueled by 1980s movies like “Missing in Action” starring Chuck Norris and the “Rambo” series starring Sylvester Stallone.
A black P.O.W./M.I.A. flag still flies above the Capitol and state capitols around the country, and the military and many lawmakers choose to focus on the retrieval of the remains of dead service members as fulfilling those concerns. But some leaders of veterans organizations insisted in a meeting on Friday at the White House that Mr. Obama ask Vietnamese leaders whether there are living prisoners, according to Frank Francois III, the chief executive of Service Disabled Veteran Enterprises, who attended the meeting.
“One of the questions that has to be asked is whether there is anybody in jail or captivity or someone living in the area we need to know about,” Mr. Francois said.
For other veterans, Mr. Obama’s trip will serve as a welcome reminder to two generations of Americans who have come of age since the war’s end, illustrating that conflict’s importance to the United States. For these men, the ghosts of the war should not have been so easily laid to rest.
“Vietnam is a totally forgotten issue nowadays,” said Bobby Muller, a disabled veteran and antiwar activist whose life helped inspire the 1978 movie “Coming Home,” starring Jane Fonda. “To have gone through those times and have something as huge and powerful and affecting and tragic in our lifetimes wind up nonexistent in the consciousness of the country today is stunning.”
Mr. Muller lives in Washington in an apartment that is filled with books on the war, and his anger at two wartime leaders — President Richard M. Nixon and his closest adviser, Henry Kissinger — remains undiminished.
Mr. Obama is unlikely to focus as much on combat deaths during his trip as President Bill Clinton did when he visited in 2000.
Mr. Clinton took the two sons of a missing airman, Lt. Col. Lawrence G. Evert, to a rice paddy in a tiny town 17 miles northeast of Hanoi and searched, along with scores of villagers, for the remnants of an F-105D fighter-bomber that had crashed in 1967. Remarkably, they found Colonel Evert’s bones.
Mr. Obama is more likely to hail cooperation between the two countries to clean up the remnants of Agent Orange, one of the wartime issues still important to Vietnam. But as a president who came of age after the war ended, he is unlikely to be a symbol of healing of the psychological wounds that some veterans suffered upon returning home, when many of their countrymen disdained them for fighting there.
“That lack of a welcome home is still a national shame,” said Senator John McCain, a Vietnam veteran who, because he was a prisoner of war, did receive a hero’s welcome. “You had 18- or 19-year-old draftees who did their duties and were literally spat upon by their fellow citizenry when they returned.”
Mr. McCain said the country has learned that lesson, and service members and veterans are routinely celebrated at sporting events and public occasions nowadays. But for some veterans, Mr. Obama’s visit is likely to stir bitter memories of their rejection, he said.
Mr. McCain, a Republican of Arizona, said his efforts to help normalize relations between Vietnam and the United States were among the proudest accomplishments of his life, and he said he had been to Vietnam so often since the war’s end that “I’m recognized more in the streets of Hanoi than I am in Phoenix.”
Those efforts long ago helped Mr. McCain put the worst of the war and his captivity behind him, so he is unlikely to be moved by the photos of Mr. Obama’s visits, he said. Mr. McCain said he had other ways of stirring his wartime memories.
“To this day, I’ll get up real early sometimes and go down to the Vietnam Memorial just as the sun is coming up,” Mr. McCain said in an interview.
“It’s always a great experience for me to think and remember.”
Obama in Vietnam Will Focus on Future, Rather Than the Past
President Obama arrived at Newark International Airport on Sunday. Mr. Obama will visit Hanoi next Sunday.
ZACH GIBSON / THE NEW YORK TIMES
MAY 15, 2016
White House Letter
By GARDINER HARRIS
WASHINGTON — The pictures will be unavoidable, and the flood of painful memories unstoppable.
When President Obama lands next Sunday in Hanoi, his visit will be chronicled by photographers, cameramen and journalists who will track every public move of only the third presidential visit to Vietnam since the end of the American war there.
Mr. Obama’s former defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, said he is already bracing for the onslaught of recollections those pictures and articles are likely to inspire.
“I know those images will hit me,” said Mr. Hagel, whose 12 months as a soldier in Vietnam remain the defining period of his life, despite the subsequent years as both a senator and a cabinet secretary. “They’re going to make it all come back.”
For Mr. Obama, the trip to Vietnam offers an opportunity to help solidify not only his promised pivot of American policy toward Asia, but also to deepen economic and security ties with an increasingly important regional player.
But for the United States’ Vietnam War veterans, a presidential trip to the country where many of them lost their youth, innocence and some of their closest friends is weighted with powerful emotions and never-ending debates about that war’s consequences.
“There are still a lot of ghosts around,” Mr. Hagel, 69, said in an interview. “There is still a great deal of debate about Vietnam and what it meant for this country.”
“It still haunts us,” he added. “That terrible waste of lives, and the lessons we learned there, the terrible lessons that still hang over us.”
Mr. Hagel said that every decision he made as defense secretary and every piece of advice he gave Mr. Obama was informed by his experience in Vietnam. He now finds himself thinking more and more about the year he spent there in the 1960s. And he said he is certain to closely study the pictures from Mr. Obama’s trip: the lush green background, the people and their iconic conical hats.
One of the stumbling blocks between the two nations is the continuing belief by some in the United States that there may still be captive American soldiers held there, the kind of mythology that was fueled by 1980s movies like “Missing in Action” starring Chuck Norris and the “Rambo” series starring Sylvester Stallone.
A black P.O.W./M.I.A. flag still flies above the Capitol and state capitols around the country, and the military and many lawmakers choose to focus on the retrieval of the remains of dead service members as fulfilling those concerns. But some leaders of veterans organizations insisted in a meeting on Friday at the White House that Mr. Obama ask Vietnamese leaders whether there are living prisoners, according to Frank Francois III, the chief executive of Service Disabled Veteran Enterprises, who attended the meeting.
“One of the questions that has to be asked is whether there is anybody in jail or captivity or someone living in the area we need to know about,” Mr. Francois said.
For other veterans, Mr. Obama’s trip will serve as a welcome reminder to two generations of Americans who have come of age since the war’s end, illustrating that conflict’s importance to the United States. For these men, the ghosts of the war should not have been so easily laid to rest.
“Vietnam is a totally forgotten issue nowadays,” said Bobby Muller, a disabled veteran and antiwar activist whose life helped inspire the 1978 movie “Coming Home,” starring Jane Fonda. “To have gone through those times and have something as huge and powerful and affecting and tragic in our lifetimes wind up nonexistent in the consciousness of the country today is stunning.”
Mr. Muller lives in Washington in an apartment that is filled with books on the war, and his anger at two wartime leaders — President Richard M. Nixon and his closest adviser, Henry Kissinger — remains undiminished.
Mr. Obama is unlikely to focus as much on combat deaths during his trip as President Bill Clinton did when he visited in 2000.
Mr. Clinton took the two sons of a missing airman, Lt. Col. Lawrence G. Evert, to a rice paddy in a tiny town 17 miles northeast of Hanoi and searched, along with scores of villagers, for the remnants of an F-105D fighter-bomber that had crashed in 1967. Remarkably, they found Colonel Evert’s bones.
Mr. Obama is more likely to hail cooperation between the two countries to clean up the remnants of Agent Orange, one of the wartime issues still important to Vietnam. But as a president who came of age after the war ended, he is unlikely to be a symbol of healing of the psychological wounds that some veterans suffered upon returning home, when many of their countrymen disdained them for fighting there.
“That lack of a welcome home is still a national shame,” said Senator John McCain, a Vietnam veteran who, because he was a prisoner of war, did receive a hero’s welcome. “You had 18- or 19-year-old draftees who did their duties and were literally spat upon by their fellow citizenry when they returned.”
Mr. McCain said the country has learned that lesson, and service members and veterans are routinely celebrated at sporting events and public occasions nowadays. But for some veterans, Mr. Obama’s visit is likely to stir bitter memories of their rejection, he said.
Mr. McCain, a Republican of Arizona, said his efforts to help normalize relations between Vietnam and the United States were among the proudest accomplishments of his life, and he said he had been to Vietnam so often since the war’s end that “I’m recognized more in the streets of Hanoi than I am in Phoenix.”
Those efforts long ago helped Mr. McCain put the worst of the war and his captivity behind him, so he is unlikely to be moved by the photos of Mr. Obama’s visits, he said. Mr. McCain said he had other ways of stirring his wartime memories.
“To this day, I’ll get up real early sometimes and go down to the Vietnam Memorial just as the sun is coming up,” Mr. McCain said in an interview.
“It’s always a great experience for me to think and remember.”
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"Everybody scream "Arm embargo"" :v
On the side note, this is the first of some ships that will be buitl in VN for Venezuela
I guess no more "cant into screws and " again
On the side note, this is the first of some ships that will be buitl in VN for Venezuela
I guess no more "cant into screws and " again
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The ships were ordered when the sun was shining, but now Venezuela is bankrupt, slipping into economic and political meltdown. I'm afraid the country won't take the ships they ordered. Similar to the case when our oil/gas company writes off the investment, withdrawing out the country some time ago.
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Guess who could use those ships if Venezuela does not take them?
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from the shape, I would guess the ship is produced by Song Thu shipyard. Stan patrol class 4207,
length 42,81 m, wide 7,11 m, propulsion 4200 bKW (5632 bhp)/ 1600 rpm), speed 25.5 knots.
either our Coast Guard takes them all, or we can try to sell elsewhere. how about the Phillipines?
re-edit: no, I´m wrong. that is a different ship. maybe a variant of this HSV 6613 class, also produced by Song Thu.
this particular ship is nice: 2,000 m³ Ice-Class Trailing Suction Hopper Dredger (TSHD), built by Song Thu, with first vessel for a russian customer. we need some of them to dregde the sea floor a bit, copying our chinese peaceful rise friends.
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from the shape, I would guess the ship is produced by Song Thu shipyard. Stan patrol class 4207,
length 42,81 m, wide 7,11 m, propulsion 4200 bKW (5632 bhp)/ 1600 rpm), speed 25.5 knots.
either our Coast Guard takes them all, or we can try to sell elsewhere. how about the Phillipines?
re-edit: no, I´m wrong. that is a different ship. maybe a variant of this HSV 6613 class, also produced by Song Thu.
this particular ship is nice: 2,000 m³ Ice-Class Trailing Suction Hopper Dredger (TSHD), built by Song Thu, with first vessel for a russian customer. we need some of them to dregde the sea floor a bit, copying our chinese peaceful rise friends.
The coast guard can take them.
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Carlosa, as benefit for all active and silent readers of this thread, I re-post here the link to your thread in Indian Defence Section 
https://defence.pk/threads/india-sends-stealth-warships-to-south-china-sea.431204/
we are to welcome the next guests to the SC Sea garden party in the Cam Ranh Bay:
6,200-ton Shivalik-class guided-missile stealth frigates Satpura and Sahyadr
27,550-ton Deepak-class fleet tanker Shakti
1,350-ton Kora-class guided missile corvette Kirch
INS Satpura
https://defence.pk/threads/india-sends-stealth-warships-to-south-china-sea.431204/
we are to welcome the next guests to the SC Sea garden party in the Cam Ranh Bay:
6,200-ton Shivalik-class guided-missile stealth frigates Satpura and Sahyadr
27,550-ton Deepak-class fleet tanker Shakti
1,350-ton Kora-class guided missile corvette Kirch
INS Satpura
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