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For you questioning my military background is just show you have a simple mind.

Who care I didn't use the right word,...
We do. We meaning those of us who have military experience. Gary's is Army. Mine's Air Force. We are touchy about terminologies specific to our experiences.
 
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We do. We meaning those of us who have military experience. Gary's is Army. Mine's Air Force. We are touchy about terminologies specific to our experiences.

Have you ever been back to Saigon after 1975, Sir?
 
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US President Obama to visit Vietnam from May 22 to 25



VietNamNet Bridge - US President Barack Obama will pay a visit to Vietnam from May 22 to 25, according to a statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam.


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According to the White House website, Obama will hold official meetings with Vietnam's leadership to discuss ways for the U.S.-Vietnam Comprehensive Partnership to advance cooperation across a wide range of areas, including economic, people-to-people, security, human rights, and global and regional issues.

In Hanoi, the US President will deliver a speech on U.S.-Vietnam relations. During meetings and events in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, he will discuss the importance of approving the Trans-Pacific Partnership this year.

The US President also will meet with members of civil society, the Young Southeast Asian Leadership Initiative, entrepreneurs, and the business community.

Obama will become the third consecutive US president paying a visit to Vietnam. In 2000 Bill Clinton was the first US President to visit Vietnam since the end of the Vietnam War. George W. Bush visited Vietnam in 2006.

After Vietnam, President Obama will go to Japan to attend the G7 Summit on two days May 26-27 in Ise-Shima.

 
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we send a "banzai!" to Japan!

Thanks to our friends of the country of the rising sun, and of course to the expertise and money ($781 million), we are getting a new deep-sea port in Lach Huyen to the east of Haiphong. Expected to come in operation: May 2018.

not only good for civil vessels but warships including submarines as well.

a new Cam-Ranh Bay in the north :D


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Last update 09:56 | 11/05/2016


US President Obama to visit Vietnam from May 22 to 25



VietNamNet Bridge - US President Barack Obama will pay a visit to Vietnam from May 22 to 25, according to a statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam.


20160511095618-obama.jpg



According to the White House website, Obama will hold official meetings with Vietnam's leadership to discuss ways for the U.S.-Vietnam Comprehensive Partnership to advance cooperation across a wide range of areas, including economic, people-to-people, security, human rights, and global and regional issues.

In Hanoi, the US President will deliver a speech on U.S.-Vietnam relations. During meetings and events in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, he will discuss the importance of approving the Trans-Pacific Partnership this year.

The US President also will meet with members of civil society, the Young Southeast Asian Leadership Initiative, entrepreneurs, and the business community.

Obama will become the third consecutive US president paying a visit to Vietnam. In 2000 Bill Clinton was the first US President to visit Vietnam since the end of the Vietnam War. George W. Bush visited Vietnam in 2006.

After Vietnam, President Obama will go to Japan to attend the G7 Summit on two days May 26-27 in Ise-Shima.

A 3 day visit is quite long, plenty to discuss I guess.

we send a "banzai!" to Japan!

Thanks to our friends of the country of the rising sun, and of course to the expertise and money ($781 million), we are getting a new deep-sea port in Lach Huyen to the east of Haiphong. Expected to come in operation: May 2018.

not only good for civil vessels but warships including submarines as well.

a new Cam-Ranh Bay in the north :D


Lach%20Huyen%204.jpg

Talking about the country of the rising sun, there is a certain PDF member of the country of the rising sun that has been long missing in PDF..........
 
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A 3 day visit is quite long, plenty to discuss I guess.



Talking about the country of the rising sun, there is a certain PDF member of the country of the rising sun that has been long missing in PDF..........
Barack Obama will stay 4 days in VN to be precise, from 22 to 25 :D
yes, a lot of nice pictures to come. I hope the weather is nice, so he can cruise in his car down the roads :-)

as for a certain PDF poster, he was too delusional at late. I´m not sure if he returns. if yes, he may return as a samurai. a quite opposite role than he took last time. we will see. Gambit makes the first ever post in this thread. so wonder can happen in this world.
 
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Barack Obama will stay 4 days in VN to be precise, from 22 to 25 :D
yes, a lot of nice pictures to come. I hope the weather is nice, so he can cruise in his car down the roads :-)

as for a certain PDF poster, he was too delusional at late. I´m not sure if he returns. if yes, he may return as a samurai. a quite opposite role than he took last time. we will see. Gambit makes the first ever post in this thread. so wonder can happen in this world.

Ha ha, I think that certain samurai if he returns, will return as a Filipino samurai if you get my drift........ :cheesy:

It would be nice if we can see more of Mr. @gambit in this thread, we can use his opinions and expertise.
 
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You talk about a small skirmish like a great battle that PLA was exceptional. But I really like if you can explain how great PLA regular troop perform against Vietnamese militia units and border guard units during the 1979 conflict and the reasons for quick withdraw of PLA after a month of combat. PLA should teach all armies in the world how to win battles and wars because they have some many many great battles like Tibet invasion (how to fight against a force with obsolete weapons), the great strategy of human waves in Korea war, the 1979 fight against Vietnamese militia and border guards units and also the Tianamen square (great battle against protesters).

What an expert of topic derailing! Start from the 1988 sea fight, and shift to the 1979 war, the Korean war, and even the Tibet Liberation war. You are really a master on topic derailing!!

This is a thread about Vietnam military modernization, so if you want to discuss these wars, go to other more appropriate threads, or create a new thread on your own!

@BoQ77 why don't you send him a similar message to remind him the nature of this thread?

Give your advices to your Pakistan ally. Anyway, you forget that before your build your own fighters and weapons, how much China spent on Russian weapons and investing money on stealing technology?

You forget the localization efforts that made by China? We localized MIG-17 and MIG-19 in 1950s; we localized MIG-21 in 1960s'; we localized SU-27 in 1990s'. Without the technology accumulations we got from the old days, it is impossible for us to develop our own J10, or J20.

For a developing country that wants to close the technology gap with the advanced countries, there is nothing shameful to "copy", or even to "steal" the technology. What's shameful is that even if you have the military equipment in front of you for almost four decades, you have the complete freedom to disassemble and measure it, but you still don't know how to produce it.

How many years have been MIG-21 or SU-22 in service in Vietnam? Close to 40 years, right? But do you know how to produce the fighters now? No!

Don't tell me it is because these are obsolete fighters, so you don't want to localize them. Vietnam even imported some 2nd-hand ones from Poland few years ago.
 
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We need ships and more ships in the SC Sea!

Quang-Ninh, May 10

Launch of the first PSV (Platform Supply Vessel) ever built in Vietnam

  • built by Hạ Long Shipyard (Dutch Damen Group)
  • PSV 3300 class
  • length 80m, wide 16.2m, 3,500 tons, 1,500 ton deadweight, speed of 13.5 knots
  • can operate at sea for 28 consecutive days



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VPA special storage weapon ranging from these guys to US-made weapons and equipments. Some only use for occasional parade though.

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What an expert of topic derailing! Start from the 1988 sea fight, and shift to the 1979 war, the Korean war, and even the Tibet Liberation war. You are really a master on topic derailing!!

This is a thread about Vietnam military modernization, so if you want to discuss these wars, go to other more appropriate threads, or create a new thread on your own!

@BoQ77 why don't you send him a similar message to remind him the nature of this thread?



You forget the localization efforts that made by China? We localized MIG-17 and MIG-19 in 1950s; we localized MIG-21 in 1960s'; we localized SU-27 in 1990s'. Without the technology accumulations we got from the old days, it is impossible for us to develop our own J10, or J20.

For a developing country that wants to close the technology gap with the advanced countries, there is nothing shameful to "copy", or even to "steal" the technology. What's shameful is that even if you have the military equipment in front of you for almost four decades, you have the complete freedom to disassemble and measure it, but you still don't know how to produce it.

How many years have been MIG-21 or SU-22 in service in Vietnam? Close to 40 years, right? But do you know how to produce the fighters now? No!

Don't tell me it is because these are obsolete fighters, so you don't want to localize them. Vietnam even imported some 2nd-hand ones from Poland few years ago.

better you ignore him or you two fight and disturb others.
Vietnam isnt China, even Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia dont make themselves a fighter
 
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Business | Wed May 11, 2016 11:40am EDT
Related: World


Quietly, Vietnam hosts arms gathering attended by U.S. companies
Reuters
HANOI/WASHINGTON | By My Pham and Idrees Ali


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Soldiers hold rifles while marching during a celebration to mark Reunification Day in Ho Chi Minh city, Vietnam April 30, 2015. Reuters/Kham


Vietnam hosts a defense symposium this week attended by top American arms manufacturers, ahead of a visit by U.S. President Barack Obama and as Washington weighs whether to lift an arms embargo on its former enemy.

Secrecy has surrounded the event staged by the communist country and attended by firms including Boeing (BA.N) and Lockheed Martin (LMT.N). It coincides with the biggest arms buildup in the country since the Vietnam War.


LOCKHEED MARTIN

There has been no mention in state-controlled media and defense reporters are not covering the forum. Efforts by Reuters to gain permission to attend have been unsuccessful and Vietnam's defense ministry could not be reached for comment.

Vietnam has accelerated efforts to build a military deterrent and is the world's eighth largest weapons importer, as neighbor China intensifies its push to fortify South China Sea islands it has either occupied or built from scratch.

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute think-tank, which tracks defense trade over five-year periods, Vietnam's total arms imports during 2011-2015 represented a 699 percent jump from 2006-2010.

The Hanoi symposium comes amid debate within the U.S. administration over whether to respond to Vietnam's longstanding request to remove an arms embargo that is one of the last major vestiges of the Vietnam War era.

Washington eased the embargo in late 2014, but has said any decision to lift it completely would hinge on the extent to which Vietnam has demonstrated progress in improving its human rights record. Its top envoy in that field, Tom Malinowski, was in Hanoi earlier this week.

Vietnam has been in talks with Western and U.S. arms manufacturers for several years now to boost its fleets of fighter jets, helicopters and maritime patrol aircraft, although Russia, its traditional supplier, maintains a dominant position.

Industry sources say Hanoi is keen on U.S. weapons yet wary of the threat of a future embargo even if the current one ends. The countries do have a common concern in China, however, whose assertiveness in the South China Sea has alarmed Washington.

Obama is due to start his Vietnam visit on May 22, the first by a U.S. president in a decade, underlining the rapidly warming relationship between the countries at a time of testy ties and growing mistrust between Hanoi and Beijing, which have competing claims to the Paracel and Spratly islands.


MODERNIZATION NEEDS

A spokesman for Lockheed Martin confirmed the company was attending the Hanoi event.

Boeing is also attending, although the firm made it clear it was not in contravention of the embargo.

"I would like to point out that any defense-related sales to Vietnam will follow development of U.S. government policy on Vietnam," a spokesman said.

"We believe Boeing has capabilities in mobility and intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance platforms that may meet Vietnam's modernization needs."

Those needs have included the purchase of six modern Kilo-class submarines from Russia equipped with Klub cruise missiles, Russian-built S-300 surface-to-air missile batteries, and from Israel, Galil assault rifles and AD-STAR 2888 radars.

Its navy is making Tarantul-class corvettes, known as Molniyas, modeled on Russian designs and equipped with 16 missiles with a range of 130 km (80 miles).

Though the communist parties that run China and Vietnam officially have brotherly ties, experts say Beijing's brinkmanship has forced Vietnam to recalibrate its defense strategy.

A report in the defense ministry's People's Army Newspaper Online in March quoted the vice defense minister, Lieutenant General Nguyen Chi Vinh, as saying Vietnam's relationship with the United States lacked defense industry cooperation, and Hanoi wanted Washington "to provide modern, suitable and adaptable technology".

Its outreach so far has been weighted towards Russia, India and Israel in procurements, but analysts say it is unlikely to seek formal military alliances and would stick to its foreign policy of not relying on a single power.

It has, however, mulled joint exercises with another South China Sea claimant at odds with China, the Philippines, and has received recent visits by Singaporean and Japanese warships at its new international port at Cam Ranh Bay, a strategic deepwater base that is home to its submarines.

Tim Huxley, a regional security expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Singapore, said Vietnam's interest in getting the arms embargo lifted was not only about access to U.S. technology, but boosting its bargaining power.

"It reflects concern about what's happening in the South China Sea and its need to restructure and re-arm, with a greater emphasis on greater naval and air capability," he said.

"It wants to widen options available and have more choices in the international market place in terms of range of technology and its negotiating position."

(Additional reporting by Mai Nguyen in HANOI; Writing and additional reporting by Martin Petty in MANILA; Editing by Mike Collett-White)
 
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Aiming a SA-7 back in the war. Till today, MANPADS

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still prove to be quite useful for low level air efense. Some source say VN already got newer model like SA-24
 
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One of the new medium sized airports to build or upgrade along the border to China: construction of $257 million Lao Cai airport begins in the third quarter this year. like most of other airports in VN, it serves both civil and military aircraft. Fighter jets taking off from the new facilities can quickly respond to any chinese provocation along Vietnam-China common land border.

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Hanoi, May 10. General Lt. Nguyen Chi Vinh receives US Assistant Secretary Daniel Russel and US Embassador to Vietnam Ted Osius in the Defence Ministry, basically the Army Headquarters. the US wants more cooperations with Vietnamese Armed Forces, while Vietnam wants US to provide more supports in various fields.

I think a deal can be worked out.

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