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posting some events that may be of one´s interest.
January 14 Hanoi. Major General Vithal Ram Peshwae from Indian naval war academy delegation’s pays a visit to Vietnam. General Vithal says he wants to study Vietnamese naval forces and discuss issues of shared concerns.
Hanoi on January 19. Receiving Major General Katsuki Takada from the Japan Ground Self-Defence Force’s Staff Office. the army offers Japan send its military students to Vietnam to take part in international training courses and learn Vietnamese at the country’s military schools.
VCP's ongoing 12th National Congress, in Hanoi. eight-days.
the opening
the delegates
the banner reads: rich people make country strong. interesting and remarkable slogan for a socialist country. but one should know this slogan isn´t a new invention, but comes from ancient times when Vietnam was ruled by Emperors.
the red banner further reads: equality and progress.
whoever wins the race, the post of the Party Chief, he will automatically become the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.
the prime candidates and opponents: the current Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung (right), and General secretary Nguyen Phu Trong (left). two different characters and political directions: reformers vs. conservatives.
a special guest to the party congress: U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Ted Osius.
January 14 Hanoi. Major General Vithal Ram Peshwae from Indian naval war academy delegation’s pays a visit to Vietnam. General Vithal says he wants to study Vietnamese naval forces and discuss issues of shared concerns.
Hanoi on January 19. Receiving Major General Katsuki Takada from the Japan Ground Self-Defence Force’s Staff Office. the army offers Japan send its military students to Vietnam to take part in international training courses and learn Vietnamese at the country’s military schools.
VCP's ongoing 12th National Congress, in Hanoi. eight-days.
the opening
the delegates
the banner reads: rich people make country strong. interesting and remarkable slogan for a socialist country. but one should know this slogan isn´t a new invention, but comes from ancient times when Vietnam was ruled by Emperors.
the red banner further reads: equality and progress.
whoever wins the race, the post of the Party Chief, he will automatically become the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.
the prime candidates and opponents: the current Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung (right), and General secretary Nguyen Phu Trong (left). two different characters and political directions: reformers vs. conservatives.
a special guest to the party congress: U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Ted Osius.
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That awesome small attack sub!! I read few articles in the french websites, it still only a digital design stage and will cost around 200 millions $. That French company DCNS have some great subs ideas, SMX25 is nasty . If VPA have a dozen of SMX26 subs, it will be a nightmare for PLA.
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@Viet Do you know why Vienam navy remove the HQ letters on the frigate? Because it use to be like this
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As far i know, export versions of S-400 attack at distance 250km. Don't know about radar range.
btw, i read about your discussion about future replacement of Vietnamese Mig-21 and want to notice to you several moments.
First of all, fighter jets you mentioned in discussion all belong to different classes:
Gripen NG (which is doesn't exist yet) - is a single engine, light jet fighter (similar to F-16, FC-1).
Mig-35 - is a two engines middle jet fighter ( Rafale, EF in the same category).
Su-30 - is a heavy jet fighter (analogue is F-15).
What is the main difference between all of those? - is a speed, payload and combat range. Usually, the bigger plane of the same generation - the better characteristics.
The second one, prices you mentioned here is quite wrongful. Actually, pretty much all of military contracts for the same weapons can be different from country to country.
The price for the Gripen in brazilian contract comes with the biggest offset program. What does it mean? As far i remember, 50% of the money will be returned to brazil with ToT, organisation of production and so on.
This is the main reason why the gripen had been chosen and not because of its characteristic which is actually pathetic. Anyway, this contract can be in dangerous now, because of economical problems in Brazil.
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Yeah, that's how I feel. A dozen is exactly the number that I was thinking also. That would certainly complicate the chinese calculation for the south china sea.
One dozen. would be 2.4 billion, probably 3 billion for the whole program with a simulation center, some tea money for General Thanh, etc , just about the same as the Kilo program. Its very doable. And after that program, 6 of the upcoming Kalina class from Russia and you have a total force of 24 subs, why not?
I never heard anything about Vietnam negotiating for the SMX26 subs, but what Vietnam has been negotiating for is the S-1000 (don't know the status now) from Italy, which used to be a joint Italian - Russian project, but is now just Italian because of the sanctions against Russia.
S-1000 has a length of 56.2 m, diameter 5.5 m. S-1000 has a displacement when submerged close to 1,100 tons. Crew of 16 plus 6 special forces. Price was around $170 million. Has AIP, 6 bow mounted torpedo tube of 530 mm, can launch missiles and torpedoes, as well as mines. Weapons brought into the ship through the sub's side doors.
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Is China Interfering in Vietnam’s Politics With Its South China Sea Moves?
Is China Interfering in Vietnam’s Politics With Its South China Sea Moves? | The Diplomat
Are China’s recent moves in contested maritime areas aimed to influence the outcome of a pivotal Communist Party congress now underway in Vietnam? Beijing’s latest shows of force in the South China Sea have coincided with an unusually pitched and still unresolvedstruggle for Vietnam’s ruling party’s leadership, pitting Prime Minister Nguyen Van Dung, a two-term premier who has drawn progressively closer to the United States, againt incumbent General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong, leader of a more conservative faction ideologically allied to China.
On Tuesday, Vietnam claimed that China had towed a massive oil exploration rig into waters both countries claim in the South China Sea and demanded that Beijing withdraw it from the area. A similar episode in spring 2014 sparked anti-China riots that ransacked Chinese and other foreign-invested factories, killed at least three Chinese nationals, and forced Beijing to evacuatethousands of its fearful nationals. At the time, Dung’s hard and Trong’s soft response to the perceived incursion underscored intra-party divisions that have since deepened over how best to manage China’s rising assertiveness over control of nearby waterways.
The new rig furor follows on China’s test flights to an artificial island Beijing recently built at the contested Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratly Islands. Hanoi said in a statement that the flights threatened regional aviation and called on Beijing to desist from future flights to the maritime feature. State media shrilly dubbed the flights, which reportedly passed through Ho Chi Minh City’s flight information region, “kamikaze” missions. Beijing countered that it had advised Hanoi in advance of the flights and that because they flew over Chinese sovereign territory, the flights were exempt from international civil aviation regulations.
The diplomatic storms have cast a cloud over Vietnam’s 12th National Congress, where top leadership positions will be determined for the next five years. Dung’s faction had been ascendant in the lead-up to the congress, buoyed by his tough stand vis-à-vis China amid escalating territorial disputes. Many analysts had earlier predicted that Dung and his factional allies were poised to take the party’s top four posts, namely party secretary general, prime minister, president, and National Assembly chairman, a quadrumvirate of power that if formed would be expected to tilt economically and strategically towards the United States.
That analysis began to shift in late December when Trong, 72, hinted at his intention to stay on for a year or longer as party general secretary, beyond the 65-year-old age limit for Politburo members to assume new posts. Dung, 66, would likewise require an special exception to become party general secretary. Reports indicated that Trong, not Dung, was nominated for the post at the party’s Central Committee Conference held earlier this month, raising procedural questions if Dung can still be nominated and elected to the position at the national congress. The 1,510 party representative vote, usually a rubber stamp exercise on a pre-agreed candidate, is scheduled for January 27, according to news reports.
Some analysts suggest that China weighed on the Central Committee’s decision against Dung, a move that by certain readings of the party’s arcane procedures would force the pro-U.S. leader into mandatory retirement. On December 23, National Assembly chairman Nguyen Sinh Hung, deputy chairman Huynh Ngoc Son and members of the party Central Committee landed in Beijing for five days of meetings with senior Chinese leaders, including President Xi Jinping. State media said the visit aimed merely to promote bilateral ties. Independent analysts, on the other hand, have speculated Beijing leveraged the diplomatic occasion to voice its concerns about a possible Dung-dominated, U.S.-aligned government.
Vietnam’s blogosphere, always heavy on calumny, slight and intrigue, has been particularly venomous in the run-up to the national congress. Yet Politburo member and Central Propaganda Committee head Dinh The Huynh felt obliged to publicly deny commentary spread widely on social media that Hung visited Beijing specifically to seek China’s guidance on who should lead the party and government. Nguyen Tan Dung’s unofficial eponymous website ran an article that same day entitled, “Do not allow China to interfere into Vietnam’s internal affairs after a warm handshake” in reference to Hung’s and Central Committee members’ photo-op meeting with Xi.
Two days earlier, in a de facto campaign speech in Vietnam’s one-party political system, Dung urged over 60 provincial and city leaders via video conference to fight against any actions or plots that aimed to interfere in the country’s internal affairs ahead of the national congress, according to reports. Dung also underlined the need to firmly defend the country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, an appeal to nationalism vis-à-vis China known to resonate with many younger party members, not to mention the country’s increasingly vocal but still harshly suppressed pro-democracy and independent blogger communities.
In an apparent tit-for-tat response, Trong visited various security units in Hanoi on January 2 to demand “total security” for the congress and remind commanding officers that their loyalty was first and foremost to the party. Three days later, military and police staged a mass exercise in the capital comprised of over 5,000 security personnel, a strong signal that Trong’s faction maintains command control over the armed forces and that any anti-China or other protest mobilized coincident with the congress would be quickly suppressed. Whether those same forces could be called by Trong to void a vote or enforce a contested procedure is a question that suddenly looms heavily over Vietnam’s most protracted and high-stakes leadership struggle in years.
Is China Interfering in Vietnam’s Politics With Its South China Sea Moves? | The Diplomat
Are China’s recent moves in contested maritime areas aimed to influence the outcome of a pivotal Communist Party congress now underway in Vietnam? Beijing’s latest shows of force in the South China Sea have coincided with an unusually pitched and still unresolvedstruggle for Vietnam’s ruling party’s leadership, pitting Prime Minister Nguyen Van Dung, a two-term premier who has drawn progressively closer to the United States, againt incumbent General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong, leader of a more conservative faction ideologically allied to China.
On Tuesday, Vietnam claimed that China had towed a massive oil exploration rig into waters both countries claim in the South China Sea and demanded that Beijing withdraw it from the area. A similar episode in spring 2014 sparked anti-China riots that ransacked Chinese and other foreign-invested factories, killed at least three Chinese nationals, and forced Beijing to evacuatethousands of its fearful nationals. At the time, Dung’s hard and Trong’s soft response to the perceived incursion underscored intra-party divisions that have since deepened over how best to manage China’s rising assertiveness over control of nearby waterways.
The new rig furor follows on China’s test flights to an artificial island Beijing recently built at the contested Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratly Islands. Hanoi said in a statement that the flights threatened regional aviation and called on Beijing to desist from future flights to the maritime feature. State media shrilly dubbed the flights, which reportedly passed through Ho Chi Minh City’s flight information region, “kamikaze” missions. Beijing countered that it had advised Hanoi in advance of the flights and that because they flew over Chinese sovereign territory, the flights were exempt from international civil aviation regulations.
The diplomatic storms have cast a cloud over Vietnam’s 12th National Congress, where top leadership positions will be determined for the next five years. Dung’s faction had been ascendant in the lead-up to the congress, buoyed by his tough stand vis-à-vis China amid escalating territorial disputes. Many analysts had earlier predicted that Dung and his factional allies were poised to take the party’s top four posts, namely party secretary general, prime minister, president, and National Assembly chairman, a quadrumvirate of power that if formed would be expected to tilt economically and strategically towards the United States.
That analysis began to shift in late December when Trong, 72, hinted at his intention to stay on for a year or longer as party general secretary, beyond the 65-year-old age limit for Politburo members to assume new posts. Dung, 66, would likewise require an special exception to become party general secretary. Reports indicated that Trong, not Dung, was nominated for the post at the party’s Central Committee Conference held earlier this month, raising procedural questions if Dung can still be nominated and elected to the position at the national congress. The 1,510 party representative vote, usually a rubber stamp exercise on a pre-agreed candidate, is scheduled for January 27, according to news reports.
Some analysts suggest that China weighed on the Central Committee’s decision against Dung, a move that by certain readings of the party’s arcane procedures would force the pro-U.S. leader into mandatory retirement. On December 23, National Assembly chairman Nguyen Sinh Hung, deputy chairman Huynh Ngoc Son and members of the party Central Committee landed in Beijing for five days of meetings with senior Chinese leaders, including President Xi Jinping. State media said the visit aimed merely to promote bilateral ties. Independent analysts, on the other hand, have speculated Beijing leveraged the diplomatic occasion to voice its concerns about a possible Dung-dominated, U.S.-aligned government.
Vietnam’s blogosphere, always heavy on calumny, slight and intrigue, has been particularly venomous in the run-up to the national congress. Yet Politburo member and Central Propaganda Committee head Dinh The Huynh felt obliged to publicly deny commentary spread widely on social media that Hung visited Beijing specifically to seek China’s guidance on who should lead the party and government. Nguyen Tan Dung’s unofficial eponymous website ran an article that same day entitled, “Do not allow China to interfere into Vietnam’s internal affairs after a warm handshake” in reference to Hung’s and Central Committee members’ photo-op meeting with Xi.
Two days earlier, in a de facto campaign speech in Vietnam’s one-party political system, Dung urged over 60 provincial and city leaders via video conference to fight against any actions or plots that aimed to interfere in the country’s internal affairs ahead of the national congress, according to reports. Dung also underlined the need to firmly defend the country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, an appeal to nationalism vis-à-vis China known to resonate with many younger party members, not to mention the country’s increasingly vocal but still harshly suppressed pro-democracy and independent blogger communities.
In an apparent tit-for-tat response, Trong visited various security units in Hanoi on January 2 to demand “total security” for the congress and remind commanding officers that their loyalty was first and foremost to the party. Three days later, military and police staged a mass exercise in the capital comprised of over 5,000 security personnel, a strong signal that Trong’s faction maintains command control over the armed forces and that any anti-China or other protest mobilized coincident with the congress would be quickly suppressed. Whether those same forces could be called by Trong to void a vote or enforce a contested procedure is a question that suddenly looms heavily over Vietnam’s most protracted and high-stakes leadership struggle in years.
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interesting in case of Laos. in the past, when Vietnam had armed conflicts with Thailand, Cambodia, France, America and China, Laos decided to ally with Vietnam. they obviously have unshakeable trust to Vietnam, that we will always prevail at the end of the day. apparently money, weapon, size and power or even blackmailing are not everything.
January 23, 2016 4:22 am JST
Laos politics
Pro-Vietnam leader chosen to shake off dependence on China
TAMAKI KYOZUKA, Nikkei staff writer
Bounnhang casts a ballot.
VIENTIANE -- The ruling communist party in Laos elected a 78-year-old vice president with close ties to Vietnam as its new leader on Friday, in a sign that the country wants a stronger relationship with Hanoi rather than relying too much on China.
Bounnhang Vorachith will succeed the 79-year-old Choummaly Sayasone as general secretary on the last day of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party congress, held once every five years. Choummaly had been in control for 10 years.
Bounnhang in 1952 joined the Laos revolutionary movement, the forerunner of the People's Revolutionary Party, which was responsible for the 1975 creation of the country as it is today. He has deep ties to Vietnam, receiving military training there and, after the Laotian civil war, studying socialism there.
The leadership change also included the departure of Somsavat Lengsavad, a deputy prime minister who was eighth in line of succession and is known to be pro-China.
Fluent in Chinese, Somsavat joined the cabinet as a foreign minister in 1993 and is credited with bringing Chinese corporate investment to Laos. In recent years, he helped implement a series of large projects with Chinese financing, including the launching of Laos' first satellite and the start of a $6 billion long-distance railroad project.
Investment by Chinese businesses has surged as a result. China accounted for nearly 30% of all 2014 foreign investment in Laos, surpassing Vietnam to ascend to the top spot, according to the Vientiane office of the Japan External Trade Organization.
But Laotian leaders apparently sought to prevent any damage to the country's historically strong relationship with Vietnam, which had provided military support to the 1975 founding of the current Laos which ended the U.S.-backed monarchy. With territorial tensions intensifying between Hanoi and Beijing over the South China Sea, Vientiane likely wants to improve its position in the regional balance, particularly since it is set to chair this year's summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.
The new leadership hammered out economic targets at the congress, including domestic product growth of 7.5% per year and rising out of least-developed country status by 2020; and joining the list of upper-middle-income economies by 2030. Human resources are vital to achieving these targets, Bounnhang said. The fact that the party chose the septuagenarian as the new leader, not anyone younger, reveals a shortage of talented personnel.
Laos politics: Pro-Vietnam leader chosen to shake off dependence on China- Nikkei Asian Review
January 23, 2016 4:22 am JST
Laos politics
Pro-Vietnam leader chosen to shake off dependence on China
TAMAKI KYOZUKA, Nikkei staff writer
Bounnhang casts a ballot.
VIENTIANE -- The ruling communist party in Laos elected a 78-year-old vice president with close ties to Vietnam as its new leader on Friday, in a sign that the country wants a stronger relationship with Hanoi rather than relying too much on China.
Bounnhang Vorachith will succeed the 79-year-old Choummaly Sayasone as general secretary on the last day of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party congress, held once every five years. Choummaly had been in control for 10 years.
Bounnhang in 1952 joined the Laos revolutionary movement, the forerunner of the People's Revolutionary Party, which was responsible for the 1975 creation of the country as it is today. He has deep ties to Vietnam, receiving military training there and, after the Laotian civil war, studying socialism there.
The leadership change also included the departure of Somsavat Lengsavad, a deputy prime minister who was eighth in line of succession and is known to be pro-China.
Fluent in Chinese, Somsavat joined the cabinet as a foreign minister in 1993 and is credited with bringing Chinese corporate investment to Laos. In recent years, he helped implement a series of large projects with Chinese financing, including the launching of Laos' first satellite and the start of a $6 billion long-distance railroad project.
Investment by Chinese businesses has surged as a result. China accounted for nearly 30% of all 2014 foreign investment in Laos, surpassing Vietnam to ascend to the top spot, according to the Vientiane office of the Japan External Trade Organization.
But Laotian leaders apparently sought to prevent any damage to the country's historically strong relationship with Vietnam, which had provided military support to the 1975 founding of the current Laos which ended the U.S.-backed monarchy. With territorial tensions intensifying between Hanoi and Beijing over the South China Sea, Vientiane likely wants to improve its position in the regional balance, particularly since it is set to chair this year's summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.
The new leadership hammered out economic targets at the congress, including domestic product growth of 7.5% per year and rising out of least-developed country status by 2020; and joining the list of upper-middle-income economies by 2030. Human resources are vital to achieving these targets, Bounnhang said. The fact that the party chose the septuagenarian as the new leader, not anyone younger, reveals a shortage of talented personnel.
Laos politics: Pro-Vietnam leader chosen to shake off dependence on China- Nikkei Asian Review
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Price is 50 million euros.
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interesting in case of Laos. in the past, when Vietnam had armed conflicts with Thailand, Cambodia, France, America and China, Laos decided to ally with Vietnam. they obviously have unshakeable trust to Vietnam, that we will always prevail at the end of the day. apparently money, weapon, size and power or even blackmailing are not everything.
January 23, 2016 4:22 am JST
Laos politics
Pro-Vietnam leader chosen to shake off dependence on China
TAMAKI KYOZUKA, Nikkei staff writer
Bounnhang casts a ballot.
VIENTIANE -- The ruling communist party in Laos elected a 78-year-old vice president with close ties to Vietnam as its new leader on Friday, in a sign that the country wants a stronger relationship with Hanoi rather than relying too much on China.
Bounnhang Vorachith will succeed the 79-year-old Choummaly Sayasone as general secretary on the last day of the Lao People's Revolutionary Party congress, held once every five years. Choummaly had been in control for 10 years.
Bounnhang in 1952 joined the Laos revolutionary movement, the forerunner of the People's Revolutionary Party, which was responsible for the 1975 creation of the country as it is today. He has deep ties to Vietnam, receiving military training there and, after the Laotian civil war, studying socialism there.
The leadership change also included the departure of Somsavat Lengsavad, a deputy prime minister who was eighth in line of succession and is known to be pro-China.
Fluent in Chinese, Somsavat joined the cabinet as a foreign minister in 1993 and is credited with bringing Chinese corporate investment to Laos. In recent years, he helped implement a series of large projects with Chinese financing, including the launching of Laos' first satellite and the start of a $6 billion long-distance railroad project.
Investment by Chinese businesses has surged as a result. China accounted for nearly 30% of all 2014 foreign investment in Laos, surpassing Vietnam to ascend to the top spot, according to the Vientiane office of the Japan External Trade Organization.
But Laotian leaders apparently sought to prevent any damage to the country's historically strong relationship with Vietnam, which had provided military support to the 1975 founding of the current Laos which ended the U.S.-backed monarchy. With territorial tensions intensifying between Hanoi and Beijing over the South China Sea, Vientiane likely wants to improve its position in the regional balance, particularly since it is set to chair this year's summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.
The new leadership hammered out economic targets at the congress, including domestic product growth of 7.5% per year and rising out of least-developed country status by 2020; and joining the list of upper-middle-income economies by 2030. Human resources are vital to achieving these targets, Bounnhang said. The fact that the party chose the septuagenarian as the new leader, not anyone younger, reveals a shortage of talented personnel.
Laos politics: Pro-Vietnam leader chosen to shake off dependence on China- Nikkei Asian Review
Bro, no one should trust the Chinese. It's so obvious that they are using Laos, Cambodia, North Korea as shield.
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ha ha ha...
just watching for the first time ever a report on the ongoing party congress, made by a Viet film team from California. revealing some interesting insights.
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I don't understand Vietnamese... Whats interesting? Who's winning dammnit.
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@yugocrosrb95 Thank man, that's a nice sub...50 mil Euro that's a price of a jetfighter!!! Really like to know how this beauty doing on exercises and operations
Price is 50 million euros.
Here an interesting article about PLA on Vietnam subs threat....We can't say that PLA is lack of confident
China's Nightmare: Vietnam's New Killer Submarines | The National Interest
It still not the election yet, end of january
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