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I could not find the one that talks about selling BMD systems to vn, do you have the link?

It's in the document "Ballistic Missile Defence in the Asia-pacific Region: Cooperation and Opposition" in page 21.

Congressional Research Service Reports on Nuclear Weapons

Foreign Military Sales The United States has sold to allies several types of BMD capabilities: Aegis tracking software, PAC-2 and PAC-3 batteries, and SM-3 Block IA interceptors (the last to Japan only). There is a potential for significant further sales if South Korea and Australia decide to emphasize BMD in future budgets, or if Southeast Asian countries such as Vietnam, the Philippines or Singapore begin to view ballistic missiles as a threat to their security. Even if these countries do not participate in a regional BMD system, some analysts have suggested that “reliance of non-U.S. assets on American hardware and software in systems like Aegis goes a long way toward syncing allied capabilities and interoperability [at the technical level].”82 A potential issue for Congress is what role, other than those already defined in statute; Congress would play a key role in overseeing Foreign Military Sales (FMS) of these BMD systems. Outlook for Near Term As the executive branch further develops U.S. BMD policy in the Asia-Pacific region, Congress has the opportunity to shape this development. The budget allocated to these BMD efforts will affect U.S. defense posture and capabilities in the region, and potential FMS financing of U.S. arms exports could help determine allied approaches to BMD. Through the power of the purse, oversight, legislation, or other tools, Congress may choose to encourage the evolution of an Executive Branch-led APPAA or other formal, collective BMD architectures, or it may choose to slow or thwart this current development. The degree of multilateral integration of BMD assets, accommodation of Russian and Chinese concerns, strategic focus, and technical foundation of BMD capabilities are just several of the critical issues that may merit congressional attention going forward.

OK Im signing out for today. I'll talk about OHP next time. I like that ship.
 
Not really, ballistic missiles come from the top and a land based system is what Vietnam needs. For a country like Japan is the other way around, the navy makes a shield against missiles coming from the direction of China (still coming from the top, but from china's direction), but for Vietnam, where the missiles will come from the chinese mainland (from the second artillery corps), a naval shield would be totally unnecessary and most inefficient at the same time. The ships would also be more vulnerable. @Nihonjin1051 What do you think?

S-300 / 400 can intercept a lot of missiles actually, but their capability to intercept is determined by how many fire control radars the battery has and by how many TEL's with interceptor missiles. Its up to Vietnam to buy enough of those 2 to intercept as many as VN wants.

I think you're referring to the Anti Ballistic Missile System that are on the Kongo and Atago-Class BM Destroyers. These are equipped with SM-3 Block IA ABMs. To augment our AEGIS Detroyer Fleet, we're building 2 more Atago-Class, thus putting our total AEGIS Destroyer fleet to 8 (tho there are predictions to increase this to 10).

Japan is also building land based ABMs of the Patriot Advanced Capability 3 (PAC-3) that are distributed throughout the military regions of Japan, thus creating a Core ABM Shield Defense. The AEGIS Destroyers provide a Peripheral Defense Shield. Thus Japan has a bi-layered Ballistic Missile Shield.

We plan on upgrading our missile capabilities on our Navy ships, as in the installment of Cruise Missiles on all our Destroyers, Light Carriers, enemy states will be pulverized with strategic surgical strikes in key military and civilian locations.
 
I think you're referring to the Anti Ballistic Missile System that are on the Kongo and Atago-Class BM Destroyers. These are equipped with SM-3 Block IA ABMs. To augment our AEGIS Detroyer Fleet, we're building 2 more Atago-Class, thus putting our total AEGIS Destroyer fleet to 8 (tho there are predictions to increase this to 10).

Japan is also building land based ABMs of the Patriot Advanced Capability 3 (PAC-3) that are distributed throughout the military regions of Japan, thus creating a Core ABM Shield Defense. The AEGIS Destroyers provide a Peripheral Defense Shield. Thus Japan has a bi-layered Ballistic Missile Shield.

We plan on upgrading our missile capabilities on our Navy ships, as in the installment of Cruise Missiles on all our Destroyers, Light Carriers, enemy states will be pulverized with strategic surgical strikes in key military and civilian locations.

That's a good set up and is badly needed since the chinese strategy would be to start an attack with massive Ballistic and cruise missile attacks to overwhelm the defense of the main basses and destroy valuable assets.

The latest that I read is that Japan is planning to buy AEGIS Ashore (Land based AEGIS) to complement the Patriot 3. AEGIS is more capable in practice.

Yes, Japan needs to build up offensive capabilities and build up long range cruise missiles Tomahawk style.

We were talking about how to build up the BMD capabilities of Vietnam that so far rely on the S-300 / 400. Japan's system is great, but out of reach of Vietnam's budget.
 
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I think you're referring to the Anti Ballistic Missile System that are on the Kongo and Atago-Class BM Destroyers. These are equipped with SM-3 Block IA ABMs. To augment our AEGIS Detroyer Fleet, we're building 2 more Atago-Class, thus putting our total AEGIS Destroyer fleet to 8 (tho there are predictions to increase this to 10).

Japan is also building land based ABMs of the Patriot Advanced Capability 3 (PAC-3) that are distributed throughout the military regions of Japan, thus creating a Core ABM Shield Defense. The AEGIS Destroyers provide a Peripheral Defense Shield. Thus Japan has a bi-layered Ballistic Missile Shield.

We plan on upgrading our missile capabilities on our Navy ships, as in the installment of Cruise Missiles on all our Destroyers, Light Carriers, enemy states will be pulverized with strategic surgical strikes in key military and civilian locations.
considering the location of Japan, that is a appropriate approach to address potential ballistic missiles attacks from China, Russia and N Korea. good: you have the means to do so. I assume most of your naval assets are assigned to the Sea of Japan and East China Sea?

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I assume most of your naval assets are assigned to the Sea of Japan and East China Sea?

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There are 4 Fleets of the JMSDF: 1st Escort Fleet, 2nd Escort Fleet, 3rd Escort Fleet and 4th Escort Fleet. These are distributed throughout the naval commands throughout the country. The Fleets are always in patrol throughout the vast maritime territories of Japan.

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There are 4 Fleets of the JMSDF: 1st Escort Fleet, 2nd Escort Fleet, 3rd Escort Fleet and 4th Escort Fleet. These are distributed throughout the naval commands throughout the country. The Fleets are always in patrol throughout the vast maritime territories of Japan.

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And a new fleet will be created in the next few years with the new destroyers recently ordered and will be deployed closer to the chinese threat.

How about a new fleet for operating in the south china sea and Indian ocean? I think china would be very unhappy about that.
 
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meeting between PM and Barack Obama on the sidelines of the 25th ASEAN Summit in Myanmar. the state media says most of major topics involving the countries were covered including the partial lift of arms embargo on Vietnam.

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ha ha ha...you are no fan of aegis, but maybe you are right: arrow system seems to be suitable for our needs: a range of 100km sounds good to me.
but I guess not too easy to convince Israel to deliver us with the system.
We were talking about how to build up the BMD capabilities of Vietnam that so far rely on the S-300 / 400. Japan's system is great, but out of reach of Vietnam's budget.

Heh you already know I'm a fan of Israeli defence systems. I think the Arrow TMD system is the only option VN has.

Did you read the CRS report? The emphasis was that the US should encourage its allies to integrate all of their BMD system together. But it then went on to say that even if not everyone wants to join in this regional BMD system, the US should still make their hardware and software open for allies to rely on to increase their capabilities. Funny that the report has included Vietnam into this group.

So if VietNam wants to take advantage of this regional BMD system, it must possess a system that has proven interoperability with the US system. And no way does the S-300/S-400 has this interoperability. The Israeli Arrow TMD system does.

The S-300/S-400 is also not a true theatre defence system since it can only intercept at the terminal phase with short interception range. And the S-500 won't be for sale for a long time.

The only option is the Arrow system since the THAAD/AEGIS/Patriot combination is just way beyond the price range of Vietnam. The Arrow is cheaper and provides a true theatre defence system with its mid-course interception and big defence coverage range (100km).

So instead of having the THAAD/AEGIS/Patriot combination, VietNam can just settle for the Arrow/S-400/Buk-M2 combination and still have interoperability with the US regional system through the Arrow system.

This is probably what the Philippines should also go for since they also have a very limited budget.
 
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ha ha ha ...poor you. how much is the subscription?

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That's why I said you are rich. Anyone who has extra money to play with stocks are rich. What kind of company do you own? can I work for you after I graduate?

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Heh you already know I'm a fan of Israeli defence systems. I think the Arrow TMD system is the only option VN has.

Did you read the CRS report? The emphasis was that the US should encourage its allies to integrate all of their BMD system together. But it then went on to say that even if not everyone wants to join in this regional BMD system, the US should still make their hardware and software open for allies to rely on to increase their capabilities. Funny that the report has included Vietnam into this group.

So if VietNam wants to take advantage of this regional BMD system, it must possess a system that has proven interoperability with the US system. And no way does the S-300/S-400 has this interoperability. The Israeli Arrow TMD system does.

The S-300/S-400 is also not a true theatre defence system since it can only intercept at the terminal phase with short interception range. And the S-500 won't be for sale for a long time.

The only option is the Arrow system since the THAAD/AEGIS/Patriot combination is just way beyond the price range of Vietnam. The Arrow is cheaper and provides a true theatre defence system with its mid-course interception and big defence coverage range (100km).

So instead of having the THAAD/AEGIS/Patriot combination, VietNam can just settle for the Arrow/S-400/Buk-M2 combination and still have interoperability with the US regional system through the Arrow system.

This is probably what the Philippines should also go for since they also have a very limited budget.

I totally agree with you. We are on the same page here. I'm also a fan of Israeli systems. The Israelis are always at war and have limited money, they can't afford to make expensive white elephants that don't work. Everything they make just works. The more VN can get from them the better.

THAAD/AEGIS/Patriot are crazy expensive, THAAD doesn't even work and you remember the Patriot record of 90% interception with Sadam's scuds that turned out to be 0%. Arrow 3 can workout very well for VN and David's Sling is another one that VN should look into (we already talked about Barak 8 before).
 

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