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[NiceGuy]

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I think you are right. US troops in Vietnam will never happen, at least in our life.

A 1000 - 2000 US troops can do nothing against China, in case of war. US will not declare a total war against China just because their 1000 soldiers are killed. But 1000 - 2000 US troops in Vietnam will be a green light for "color revolution", like in Ukraine or Syria or Lybia or Iraq, or any country where the US set their foots in.

I do not blame the US. They are currently the No.1 power and they have to do anything to retain their crown, including anything to compete against China. But they will only use Vietnam as a card.

After the "color revolution", if it ever happens and succeed, although I believe it will have very little chance, the new government can sell big part of Vietnam to China in exchange for money and support, because no new government can exist without the support of China. And not only Hoang Sa, Trương Sa islands, possibly big parts of Cao Bang, Lang Son and Quang Ninh provinces will be ceded to China as well.

At the moment, only the current government have the will and people's support to fight against China's aggression. But some US direct interference, or any third country's, may turn to disaster.

We have lived for thousand years with China, and we have to live for at least next several thousand years, until human find some other planets to live. Our rich history can teach us.

Be careful.

I hope I can see VN successfully unify the whole Sub-Mekong region in my life, thats the only way for VN to get bigger and strong enough to counter all threat.

I hope our great comrade Putin can successfully revive the Soviet union, so he can continue support VN to expand our power like in 1979. Many VNese still miss Soviet naval base in Cam Ranh

Soviet bomber in Cam ranh

 

[Viet]

Anyone has idea what drives vladimir putin in eastern ukraine? He risks a collapse of the economy of russia.

I am afraid he is not much helpful for us if he drives the country closer to china.

 

[NiceGuy]

Anyone has idea what drives vladimir putin in eastern ukraine? He risks a collapse of the economy of russia.

I am afraid he is not much helpful for us if he drives the country closer to china.

Russia economy wont collapse , they can sell oil to China , they can import food from China-VN. Comrade Putin just simply wait until winter, then EU have to give up and beg for oil-gas.

Putin not only drives the country closer to china but also closer to VN ,too/

Russia ' green light ' for investment in Vietnam to Russia .
06/08/2014 10: 46

(TBTCO)-radio station voice of Russia (5 nights/8) does Russia ranked third in the world in terms of the volume of foreign investment. Only in 2013, Russia has attracted more than 94 billion dollars of foreign direct investment.

General Director of the Vietnam national oil and gas group do van Hau exchanging text has just signed with the President of Gazprom OAO a. b. Miller of Russia. Photo: PVN

The experts said that in Russia the investment performance may be over 1.5-2 times in comparison with the similar projects in many other countries. Thus, the majority of foreign investors who have negative attitudes toward the economic sanctions of the United States of America and the European Union (EU) against Russia.

At the same time, the application of the sanctions provided more opportunities for investment from countries not to follow the directive of the United States of America. Including Vietnam.

Although the volume of Vietnam's investment into the Russian economy is not yet on the high level, but right now, Russia ranked third in a list of 68 largest country attracting investment from Vietnam, the only two neighbors Laos and Cambodia ahead of Russia in this list.

Counselling Service in Asia and Africa of the economic development Ministry of Russia Pavel Kochkin said: "Vietnam investors are very interested in the Russian market. In mid-2013, the Netherlands has implemented 16 projects with the participation of Vietnam, would have 40 companies with investment capital of Vietnam. All of the businesses that are members the Association of Vietnam business in Russia ".

The largest investment project with the participation of Vietnam's two joint venture companies in the oil sector.

First of all have to say about the company "Rusvietpetro" action in the North of the European part of Russia, to date, the company's experts have declared thá́c few million tons of oil were first frozen grounds on the eternal. In the near future, oil extraction volume in this enterprise will compare with that produced by Vietsovpetro, a joint venture company to go top in Vietnam's oil extraction industry.

One other major investment projects worth 200 million US dollars is the center of culture, Commerce and hotel "Hanoi-Moscow". The construction work was completed, the hotel began to welcome the first customers, the complete job shopping centres are at the final stage.

Says Kochkin said: "these projects clearly shows that Russia has created the most favorable conditions for the operation of the investor to Vietnam. The success of this project has attracted the attention of businesses to Vietnam to the Russian market. They are particularly interested in such sectors as trade, restaurant, producing clothing, footwear, agricultural products, and even electronic applications ".

Vietnam investors also want to develop partnerships with the mining and shipping of coal from Russia, to form the cluster of timber and fishing in the Primorsky region of the Russian Federation. According to Vietnam's initiative, the two sides are discussing the development of production technology of rubberized fabric, which uses the Silk of Vietnam.

In the opinion of the experts in Russia and Vietnam, Vietnam investment volume in Russia and Russian investment into Vietnam will continue increasing./.
Russia ‘ green light ‘ for investment in Vietnam to Russia « Vietnamese Dong News

1. Exports to Russia increase by 93% - Viet Nam News
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   04-08-2014 - Export turnover to Russia in the first half of this year totaled US$ 797.2 ... Coffee products brought in $63.3 million, an increase of 140.32 per cent. ... airport getsgreen light from PM (Aug, 02); Seminar discusses cocoa sector ...

 

[Carlosa]

Anyone has idea what drives vladimir putin in eastern ukraine? He risks a collapse of the economy of russia.

I am afraid he is not much helpful for us if he drives the country closer to china.

The situation in Ukraine is a power play between USA and Russia.
USA engineered regime change in Ukraine (first with the color revolution, which was financed by USA and as Victoria Nuland said: "we spent $5 billion to promote change in Ukraine" and recently by actual, factual regime change when the Maidan movement brought the Yanukovich regime down (with the help of the Ukrainian right wing neo nazis and the CIA).

This is all done to serve the geopolitical american strategy of slowly cornering Russia by bringing the ex Soviet states into the EU and NATO even that they had promised Russia in the past that those states would not be brought into NATO, but that promise was broken and Ukraine was the big prize in that scheme; if Ukraine gets taken from the Russian sphere of influence and brought into EU and NATO, then NATO achieves its goal of getting to the Russian border.

Of course Russia will not stay idle while all this happens.

The Maidan revolution was a coup financed and promoted by USA and carried out by the right wing Ukrainians; those right wing Ukrainians see the Russians and pro Russians in the east as sub humans that are in their way and need to be get rid off. The first thing they did after the coup was to denied the use of the Russian language, etc (they had to back track right away once they got negative publicity on that), but their agenda was very clear from the start, a neo nazi agenda financed by USA. The maidan revolution was hijacked by the neo nazis and even after the election, their agenda and the US agenda continue to be carried out by the Poroshenko regime, they alienated the eastern Ukrainians.

Eastern Ukraine does not accept the regime in Kiev, they think different that western Ukrainians and will not accept to be ruled by the right wing neo nazis in Kiev and with the help of Russia, they fight for their rights.

Russia is doing the minimum that they need to do in order to deny the US goal of encircling Russia with Nato states. Putin will not back down, sanctions will not work, Russia is fighting for its essential interests there and will not back down.

If you want to know the truth about Ukraine, go to alternative news sites, the western media only shows the US / EU side of the story. They totally ignored the actions of the right wingers in Ukraine and all their brutality and atrocities in eastern Ukraine, they just repeat the Ukrainian government statements at face value even that its mostly lies.

Here is a blog from a Russian American that says the truth about what's going on in Ukraine, he has his own views and agendas like everybody, but he reports the truth and he has being accurate from the beginning:

The Vineyard of the Saker

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Anyone has idea what drives vladimir putin in eastern ukraine? He risks a collapse of the economy of russia.

I am afraid he is not much helpful for us if he drives the country closer to china.

Even Putin has tried to annex the entire Ukraine, we will still support him.

Putin can be both pro-India and pro-Vietnam in the issues between China/India and China/Vietnam, we don't really care.

But as long as he shares a common goal with China when it comes to the US issues, that's all really matter to us.

 

[Viet]

Even Putin has tried to annex the entire Ukraine, we will still support him.

Putin can be both pro-India and pro-Vietnam in the issues between China/India and China/Vietnam, we don't really care.
But as long as he shares a common goal with China when it comes to the US issues, that's all really matter to us.

No, Putin is not pro anyone but himself. you see he takes a neutral stance in the disputes between you and others in the region, be Vietnam or Japan or India. he is a realist. he sells weapons and resources to anyone that can pay. and now he wants to destroy Ukraine.

The situation in Ukraine is a power play between USA and Russia.
USA engineered regime change in Ukraine (first with the color revolution, which was financed by USA and as Victoria Nuland said: "we spent $5 billion to promote change in Ukraine" and recently by actual, factual regime change when the Maidan movement brought the Yanukovich regime down (with the help of the Ukrainian right wing neo nazis and the CIA).

This is all done to serve the geopolitical american strategy of slowly cornering Russia by bringing the ex Soviet states into the EU and NATO even that they had promised Russia in the past that those states would not be brought into NATO, but that promise was broken and Ukraine was the big prize in that scheme; if Ukraine gets taken from the Russian sphere of influence and brought into EU and NATO, then NATO achieves its goal of getting to the Russian border.

Of course Russia will not stay idle while all this happens.

The Maidan revolution was a coup financed and promoted by USA and carried out by the right wing Ukrainians; those right wing Ukrainians see the Russians and pro Russians in the east as sub humans that are in their way and need to be get rid off. The first thing they did after the coup was to denied the use of the Russian language, etc (they had to back track right away once they got negative publicity on that), but their agenda was very clear from the start, a neo nazi agenda financed by USA. The maidan revolution was hijacked by the neo nazis and even after the election, their agenda and the US agenda continue to be carried out by the Poroshenko regime, they alienated the eastern Ukrainians.

Eastern Ukraine does not accept the regime in Kiev, they think different that western Ukrainians and will not accept to be ruled by the right wing neo nazis in Kiev and with the help of Russia, they fight for their rights.

Russia is doing the minimum that they need to do in order to deny the US goal of encircling Russia with Nato states. Putin will not back down, sanctions will not work, Russia is fighting for its essential interests there and will not back down.

If you want to know the truth about Ukraine, go to alternative news sites, the western media only shows the US / EU side of the story. They totally ignored the actions of the right wingers in Ukraine and all their brutality and atrocities in eastern Ukraine, they just repeat the Ukrainian government statements at face value even that its mostly lies.

Here is a blog from a Russian American that says the truth about what's going on in Ukraine, he has his own views and agendas like everybody, but he reports the truth and he has being accurate from the beginning:

The Vineyard of the Saker

I am a bit surprised of your response. as Spaniard you are supposed to be on the side of America and NATO?

 

[Carlosa]

No, Putin is not pro anyone but himself. you see he takes a neutral stance in the disputes between you and others in the region, be Vietnam or Japan or India. he is a realist. he sells weapons and resources to anyone that can pay. and now he wants to destroy Ukraine.


I am a bit surprised of your response. as Spaniard you are supposed to be on the side of America and NATO?

My position is based on what side I considered right, nationality does not matter on that, if Spain is wrong, I'll say is wrong.

I've been following the situation in Ukraine very closely from the beginning and I'm very clear about what's going on there.
The Russians have their own agenda, but between their agenda and the Ukrainian government / western agenda, I support the Russians.

I support USA in the western pacific, other than that, it depends on the particular circumstances of the situation, I definitely don't support what they did in Iraq.

No, the Russians don't want to destroy Ukraine, The Ukrainian government started the military action (at that time it was an unelected government heavily controlled by the right wing). Once Poroshenko was elected, he continued and intensified the military campaign, at one point there was a truce for a few days, the Russians asked to keep it going, he refused, he wanted a military solution, now he is getting one, but not what he expected.

The Russians just want Ukraine to be on their side or neutral, but not to be a NATO member.

Ukraine is being used as a pawn of the geopolitical objectives of the Americans against Russia. The Russians decided to put the foot down with Ukraine, Ukraine in NATO is a red line for Russia.

If you want to understand the Ukrainian conflict (both, the internal conflict and the international conflict), you really need to do a lot of reading from neutral sources and need to read about the Ukrainian right wing and the movement of Stepan Bandera (the historical leader of the right wing) and you'll begin to understand why there is a divide between western and eastern Ukraine. Read about what the right wing Ukrainians did in WW2 against the pro Russians (and polish and Rumanians, etc) and you'll understand more about what's going on there today.

Read about "Right sector" and "Svoboda", those are the main right wing groups in Ukraine (neo nazis in the full sense of the word). They committed a lot of atrocities in East Ukraine, the Ukraine national guard units are stuffed by volunteers, usually the right wing, They killed and terrorize lots of civilians. Just 3 days ago they had to withdraw from a city, but before leaving, they demolished every building in the city and then cried "the Russians destroyed the city". The western media had totally ignored what they've done to the civilian population. Ukraine has done a lot of intentional shelling of residential areas from the beginning, but they always say "Ukraine does not shell or bomb civilian areas" and that's it, it gets taken at face value. There is a big double standard going on in Ukraine.

What most people don't understand is that in addition to everything else, there is an ethnic conflict there, its not just about being pro western or pro Russian, there is an ethnic divide and this conflict brought it into the open.

Ukraine is an artificial state, the western Ukrainians and the east Ukrainians are very different, they want different things and they are not going to be kept united by force.
The western Ukrainians were part of the Austrian / Hungarian empire and the eastern Ukrainians were part of the Russian empire, again, they want different things, the allegiance of the western Ukrainians is with the west and in the east is with Russia, that's their identity and is not going to get reconciled by force, which is what the present Ukrainian government wants to do. Ukraine would be better off splitting into 2 countries.

 

[Viet]

Carlosa, I got your point.

 

[Viet]

SU-30 fighter, Kilo and Yakhont are our best friends.

Vietnam could take lessons from Falklands in South China Sea

• Staff Reporter
  
• 2014-09-03
  
• 12:43 (GMT+8)

A Vietnamese Su-30MK2 fighter. (Internet photo)

With the support of Western allies, Vietnam is capable of inflicting serious damage to the People's Liberation Army in a potential war over the disputed South China Sea, according to Kanwa Defense Review, operated by Canadian military anaylyst Andrei Chang, also known as Pinkov.

Chang cited the example of the Falklands War of 1982 between Britain and Argentina to illustrate his point, stating that the Argentine Air Force successfully sank or damaged six British Royal Navy ships with only five French-built Super Etendard fighter aircraft and 48 obsolete US-built A-4 Skyhawk attackers, though Argentina was ultimately defeated. The magazine stated that five French-built Exocet anti-ship missiles with a range of only 50 kilometers with which the Super Etendards were equipped, played the most important role in sinking and damaging the British ships during the conflict over the British islands in the South Atlantic, claimed by Argentina as the Malvinas.

The second Exocet missile launched from one of the Super Etendard aircraft sank the HMS Sheffield, a British destroyer while the third and fifth missiles fired hit the SS Atlantic Conveyor, a British merchant navy ship requisitioned for the war, and County-class destroyer the HMS Glamorgan. The Argentine Air Force used its greater numbers, at one point deploying 30 A-4 attackers to launch a single attack against the British forces. With a weaker naval combat fleet, the Kanwa Defense Review said that Argentina had conducted a successful guerrilla warfare campaign against the Royal Navy with its limited air power.

The same kinds of tactics could also be used by the People's Air Force of Vietnam in any future conflict against the PLA Navy, according to Chang. Vietnam has a total of 32 Su-30MK2 fighters, introduced from Russia, which are are able to carry Kh31 anti-ship missiles while the Chinese Su-30MKK cannot. If China wants to upgrade its Su-30MKK, it must pay an additional fee to purchase the missile system from Russia.

The article stated that the Vietnamese Su-30MK2s are capable of launching precision attacks against PLA naval bases in Yalong Bay in Hainan, where Type 052D destroyers and Type 094 Jin-class ballistic missile submarines are stationed, without even leaving Vietnamese airspace. The article went on to say that, in addition to the Su-30MK2 and Kh31 missiles, Vietnam only needs between two and three missiles fired from the Bastion coast defense system to sink a Chinese aircraft carrier.

The British experience of deploying five nuclear-powered submarines to the Falklands can provide the Vietnam People's Navy with an important lesson in confronting a Chinese carrier battle group in the South China Sea, the piece said. The Royal Navy was able to prevent the Argentine Navy from leaving its base following the sinking of the General Belgrano by the Royal navy submarine Conqueror. The article said that the People's Navy of Vietnam, with better submarines than China, may be able to do the same thing to China.

The article also stated that China would not enjoy diplomatic support from Western powers, as Britain did in the Falklands campaign.

Vietnam could take lessons from Falklands in South China Sea｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

 

[Carlosa]

SU-30 fighter, Kilo and Yakhont are our best friends.
Vietnam could take lessons from Falklands in South China Sea

• Staff Reporter
  
• 2014-09-03
  
• 12:43 (GMT+8)

With the support of Western allies, Vietnam is capable of inflicting serious damage to the People's Liberation Army in a potential war over the disputed South China Sea, according to Kanwa Defense Review, operated by Canadian military anaylyst Andrei Chang, also known as Pinkov.

Chang cited the example of the Falklands War of 1982 between Britain and Argentina to illustrate his point, stating that the Argentine Air Force successfully sank or damaged six British Royal Navy ships with only five French-built Super Etendard fighter aircraft and 48 obsolete US-built A-4 Skyhawk attackers, though Argentina was ultimately defeated. The magazine stated that five French-built Exocet anti-ship missiles with a range of only 50 kilometers with which the Super Etendards were equipped, played the most important role in sinking and damaging the British ships during the conflict over the British islands in the South Atlantic, claimed by Argentina as the Malvinas.

The second Exocet missile launched from one of the Super Etendard aircraft sank the HMS Sheffield, a British destroyer while the third and fifth missiles fired hit the SS Atlantic Conveyor, a British merchant navy ship requisitioned for the war, and County-class destroyer the HMS Glamorgan. The Argentine Air Force used its greater numbers, at one point deploying 30 A-4 attackers to launch a single attack against the British forces. With a weaker naval combat fleet, the Kanwa Defense Review said that Argentina had conducted a successful guerrilla warfare campaign against the Royal Navy with its limited air power.

The same kinds of tactics could also be used by the People's Air Force of Vietnam in any future conflict against the PLA Navy, according to Chang. Vietnam has a total of 32 Su-30MK2 fighters, introduced from Russia, which are are able to carry Kh31 anti-ship missiles while the Chinese Su-30MKK cannot. If China wants to upgrade its Su-30MKK, it must pay an additional fee to purchase the missile system from Russia.

The article stated that the Vietnamese Su-30MK2s are capable of launching precision attacks against PLA naval bases in Yalong Bay in Hainan, where Type 052D destroyers and Type 094 Jin-class ballistic missile submarines are stationed, without even leaving Vietnamese airspace. The article went on to say that, in addition to the Su-30MK2 and Kh31 missiles, Vietnam only needs between two and three missiles fired from the Bastion coast defense system to sink a Chinese aircraft carrier.

The British experience of deploying five nuclear-powered submarines to the Falklands can provide the Vietnam People's Navy with an important lesson in confronting a Chinese carrier battle group in the South China Sea, the piece said. The Royal Navy was able to prevent the Argentine Navy from leaving its base following the sinking of the General Belgrano by the Royal navy submarine Conqueror. The article said that the People's Navy of Vietnam, with better submarines than China, may be able to do the same thing to China.

The article also stated that China would not enjoy diplomatic support from Western powers, as Britain did in the Falklands campaign.

Vietnam could take lessons from Falklands in South China Sea｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

Very correct !!!

"SU-30 fighter, Kilo and Yakhont are our best friends." Add to that the KH-29, KH-31 and KH-35 and hopefully the Brahmos and Brahmos M later on.

I was in Argentina during the Falklands war, I almost got sent to the islands (I was working for a tv station, technical stuff, they almost sent me there to cover the conflict, luckily I refused). I know that conflict in full detail. The british got lucky, they almost didn't make it. Naval air defenses are much better these days, but anti ship missiles are also much better now and they have the upper hand, that's why I always say that VN should not invest in big ships, but in fighter jets with good missiles and more submarines. The example of the Falklands is still very relevant.

 

[cnleio]

Very correct !!!

"SU-30 fighter, Kilo and Yakhont are our best friends." Add to that the KH-29, KH-31 and KH-35 and hopefully the Brahmos and Brahmos M later on.

I was in Argentina during the Falklands war, I almost got sent to the islands (I was working for a tv station, technical stuff, they almost sent me there to cover the conflict, luckily I refused). I know that conflict in full detail. The british got lucky, they almost didn't make it. Naval air defenses are much better these days, but anti ship missiles are also much better now and they have the upper hand, that's why I always say that VN should not invest in big ships, but in fighter jets with good missiles. The example of the Falklands is still very relevant.

Interesting story , Vietnam = Argentina, China = Britain, Russia = France ...

After "Argentia" fighters shot all 5x "Harpoon" anti-ship missiles, the War nearly closed and "French" refused to provide more "Harpoon" coz deals with "British allies" under the table. The history just repeat once again.

To deal with "Argentina" China even not need Navy, they shared North border and DF can reach any corner of VN, China is also one world's biggest missile maker of Top5.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Even Putin has tried to annex the entire Ukraine, we will still support him.

Putin can be both pro-India and pro-Vietnam in the issues between China/India and China/Vietnam, we don't really care.

But as long as he shares a common goal with China when it comes to the US issues, that's all really matter to us.

He can annex inner mongolia like 1945.

 

[Carlosa]

Interesting story, Vietnam = Argentina, China = Britain, Russia = France ...

After "Argentia" fighters shot all 5x "Harpoon" anti-ship missiles, the War nearly closed and "French" refused to provide more "Harpoon" coz deals with "British allies" under the table. The history just repeat once again.

To deal with "Argentina" China even not need Navy, they shared North border and DF can reach any corner of VN, China is also one world's biggest missile maker of Top5.

No, the war didn't close after the argentinians used the 5 exocet missiles, they kept bombing the british ships with regular bombs and hit a few more ships.

Now VN has a lot more than 5 anti ship missiles (they have a few hundreds), certainly more than enough and I don't think the Russians will cut off the supply anyway, but if they do, then India and Israel can help.

 

[NiceGuy]

Interesting story , Vietnam = Argentina, China = Britain, Russia = France ...

After "Argentia" fighters shot all 5x "Harpoon" anti-ship missiles, the War nearly closed and "French" refused to provide more "Harpoon" coz deals with "British allies" under the table. The history just repeat once again.

To deal with "Argentina" China even not need Navy, they shared North border and DF can reach any corner of VN, China is also one world's biggest missile maker of Top5.

Good, then its high time for PLA to fire all corrupted military officers who take $ 16,000 from new recruit coz China army can win every one with their mighty missile, no need wasting Tax for soldiers and corrupted military officers any more

As I remember Chinese here told me that since 1979, China's had many knid of missile that can shoot to Moscow already, but we didnt see a single missile fire from China to VN soil coz VN would use Scud to fire back

 

[cnleio]

No, the war didn't close after the argentinians used the 5 exocet missiles, they kept bombing the british ships with regular bombs and hit a few more ships.

Now VN has a lot more than 5 anti ship missiles, certainly more than enough and I don't think the Russians will cut off the supply anyway, but if they do, then India and Israel can help.

First i admit the Argentinian Airforce and pilots fight brave in the Falklands war, but "Exocet" missiles sank Britain FFG, "bombing the british ships with regular bombs and hit a few more ships" = hit Britain cargo ships & transport ships, and they lost 2/3 "Skyhawk" A-4 fighters.

During this time, Russian need China's supports much more than others. India and Israel also has big trades with China, bigger than with Vietnam.

Good, then its high time for PLA to fire all corrupted military officers who take $ 16,000 from new recruit coz China army can win every one with their mighty missile, no need wasting Tax for soldiers and corrupted military officers any more

As I remember Chinese here told me that since 1979, China's had many knid of missile that can shoot to Moscow already, but we didnt see a single missile fire from China to VN soil coz VN would use Scud to fire back

Did u see the Nuke explode ? Whether it means Nuke is only a joke or a lie ?