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I don't know where Vietnam is going...are the young people anti communist there ? Also it seems like nationalism and fear of Chinese dominance is prevailing. Really Color Revolution is all I can think of when I see this country.

I don't know where Vietnam is going...are the young people anti communist there ? Also it seems like nationalism and fear of Chinese dominance is prevailing. Really Color Revolution is all I can think of when I see this country.
 
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@Grand Historian : you keep trolling 1 subject on every thread you joined, at least you should mention that this is military news thread

@Hu Songshan : you banned me several times because just 1 offtopic post ... why you leave this guy troll around with off-topic post ? it's unfair to others

@Kaan

That's incorrect you were banned for multiple reports of trolling that was added to already in place infractions for off topic post. That's also incorrect you were banned only 2 times for similar behavior however I have given grand historian and infraction for off topic posts.
 
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I was going to say exactly the same thing.

Do you know how much is an Aegis cruiser? $2 billion

The Tomahawk is good in terms of range (and right there US will not sell it to VN because it violates the 300 km range limit as per arms treaty limitations). But other than range, there is nothing special there, its actually old technology. Russia, China and India already went further than the tomahawk.

What you really want is the Brahmos (match 2.8 speed), and a little bit later, the Brahmos M (match 3.5 speed). The M in Brahmos M stands for mini, the Brahmos is actually a big missile (about 9 meters long) and is heavy, so SU-30 can't carry it unless there is structural modifications of the airframe (India is getting that in the new SU-30SM's so that they can carry the missile), so they decided to make an smaller version, 6.5 meters long and lighter so it can be carried in many platforms. They are testing the missile now. SU-30MK2 can carry 3 Brahmos M missiles. Range is 300 km.

With an speed of match 3.5, its very, very difficult to stop that missile, speed is the key factor in anti ship missiles. Subsonic missiles are easy to intercept, but supersonic is not easy at all, ships detect the missiles when they are already too close, before the ship's missile defenses have time to react.

That's why VN should not get into sophisticated, expensive surface ships, those ships would not be able to survive, they'll get destroyed by chinese cruise missiles (including supersonic cruise missiles) fired from stand off range from multiple launch platforms including HK-6 bombers. VN needs to concentrate in submarines and small, cheap surface ships at this point.

Any ship, including Aegis cruisers, can be overwhelmed by saturation missile attacks.

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LOL you are right. I was just thinking BIG.

Aegis destroyers will be affordable if America and Japan fund our naval build-up. Like America helped South VN. Tomahawk is good at targeting long distant targets when our navy operates in the Pacific. the US is superpower. she writes the rules and dictates the world order. who dares to sanction her if she violates the rule?

Why shouldn´t we dream bigger? Similar to China and Japan, with some 6 sophisticate destroyers, we could build own 3 fleets: North, Central and South fleet. Vietnam government says she wants to have a blue water navy in 2030. the dream may come faster than planned. We have a large maritime domain to protect.

As for Brahmos, I am sceptical of toys from India. I think It is better to have russian made Yakhonts on warships, such as the Gepards.
 
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Very good article guys, It explains a lot of what is going on behind the Vietnamese government current policies with China and USA:

A US-Vietnam Alliance? Not So Fast. The Diplomat

A US-Vietnam Alliance? Not So Fast. | The Diplomat
well, in my opinion the internal fight within VPC is still ongoing as the public letter of 60 senior members revealed.
It is hard to predict the outcome. it depends on how much pressure the pro-china faction feels coming from the public, the armed forces and internal colleagues.
 
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well, in my opinion the internal fight within VPC is still ongoing as the public letter of 60 senior members revealed.
It is hard to predict the outcome. it depends on how much pressure the pro-china faction feels coming from the public, the armed forces and internal colleagues.

I think you are right, that was the whole idea of the letter. I hope there is enough pressure on them to make some changes.
 
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I think you are right, that was the whole idea of the letter. I hope there is enough pressure on them to make some changes.
Yo my man Carlosa. Can you read VNese? It would be great if you could take a look at the article in my above post. Don't worry the author has a pretty neutral tone and the content is no ultra nationalist smearing on China either. I am looking forward to your comment, cause you are a good poster, your post always worths reading.
 
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LOL you are right. I was just thinking BIG.

Aegis destroyers will be affordable if America and Japan fund our naval build-up. Like America helped South VN. Tomahawk is good at targeting long distant targets when our navy operates in the Pacific. the US is superpower. she writes the rules and dictates the world order. who dares to sanction her if she violates the rule?

Why shouldn´t we dream bigger? Similar to China and Japan, with some 6 sophisticate destroyers, we could build own 3 fleets: North, Central and South fleet. Vietnam government says she wants to have a blue water navy in 2030. the dream may come faster than planned. We have a large maritime domain to protect.

As for Brahmos, I am sceptical of toys from India. I think It is better to have russian made Yakhonts on warships, such as the Gepards.

You are thinking and dreaming big lol. What you are asking takes a lot of money, big money.
In order to fight china as an equal, you need to have a whole ecosystem that goes with the Aegis destroyers, etc. You need satellites to do ocean surveillance and to provide target tracking for stand off missiles, a whole force of MPA / ASW aircrafts, AWACS, etc, etc. Have to keep in mind that china is already building 2 aircraft carriers also. Have to have plenty of ASW ships also in order to take care of those chinese subs. A lot of things bro, it does take a pile of money, but the idea is nice.

Frankly, I would put the money with the air force, missiles, including ballistic missiles and air defense and a big number of good submarines.

The Brahmos is India / Russian project, the marketing for export is done by both of them, no worries, really.

I seriously doubt that either USA or Japan will give significant money to VN, but it would be nice.

Yo my man Carlosa. Can you read VNese? It would be great if you could take a look at the article in my above post. Don't worry the author has a pretty neutral tone and the content is no ultra nationalist smearing on China either. I am looking forward to your comment, cause you are a good poster, your post always worths reading.

Thank you man, I will tonight. I'm just ending a quick break and I have to continue working, crazy busy these days. No worries, I can read radical views also, I can be quite radical myself, but I try to hide it, ha ha. Take care.
 
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I want to share this article to all Viet brothers and sisters on PDF, if anyone could find a translated version of it to share with other mems that would be great.

Trung Quốc Muốn Gì ? | HoangSa.ORG V3- Diễn đàn tuyên truyền về vấn đề biển đảo-chủ quyền dân tộc

Any mems who is curious can use google translate. It's a good article. The title means "What does China want?"

Can you summarise the article? and there are Viet female members on PDF? who?
 
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Can you summarise the article? and there are Viet female members on PDF? who?
Well, the article goes deep into Chinese nationalism and its relationship with communism, and how CCP uses Chinese nationalism to firmly take hold of power. The article mostly talks about China and the Beijing Olympics, and how Chinese atheletes were obsess with the gold medal due to their nationalism. You might find this offensive but I think the author made some good points
 
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Well, the article goes deep into Chinese nationalism and its relationship with communism, and how CCP uses Chinese nationalism to firmly take hold of power. The article mostly talks about China and the Beijing Olympics, and how Chinese atheletes were obsess with the gold medal due to their nationalism. You might find this offensive but I think the author made some good points

Is that all the main points? no big deal...
Athletes playing hard because of their national pride? who doesn't know that?
 
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Is that all the main points? no big deal...
Athletes playing hard because of their national pride? who doesn't know that?
No, it's about Chinese athletes cried when they only got silver and bronze medals, like it was the end of the world. And then when they got the gold medal, Chinese cheered for the CCP more than the athletes themselves.
 
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No, it's about Chinese athletes cried when they only got silver and bronze medals, like it was the end of the world. And then when they got the gold medal, Chinese cheered for the CCP more than the athletes themselves.

Hmm what's so strange about that?

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I want to share this article to all Viet brothers and sisters on PDF, if anyone could find a translated version of it to share with other mems that would be great.

Trung Quốc Muốn Gì ? | HoangSa.ORG V3- Diễn đàn tuyên truyền về vấn đề biển đảo-chủ quyền dân tộc

Any mems who is curious can use google translate. It's a good article. The title means "What does China want?"
the article is too long, can be a bit shorter. I haven´t read throughout the texts, but Chinese intention is clear: it wants to return to the glorious days of the former Middle Kingdom. China is as the central state of the universe, and vassal states pay tributes to the Emperor, now president of the glorious people´s country. the last 100-150 years, where chinese suffered, were just a snapshot of time.

...and that is not good at all for Vietnam. Because unlike Korea, the another sinized country in Asia besides Vietnam, ancient China considered our country as part of the Middle Kingdom.
 
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I don't know where Vietnam is going...are the young people anti communist there ? Also it seems like nationalism and fear of Chinese dominance is prevailing. Really Color Revolution is all I can think of when I see this country.
well, if history is a guide, yes, VN has a history of radical revolutions when the actual rulers failed to protect the territory and national interests. And yes, VN has a history: if anyone regardless of man or women, expelled the invaders and united the country, became the ruler of the country and people.
 
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