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USSR and Vietnam were treaty bound and China and Cambodia were not, so we had no treaty responsibility to intervene. and Vietnam suffered much more casualties than China, both military personnel and civilians, the short war entirely went on in Vietnam soil and the whole North Vietnam was destroyed in 2 weeks while Chinese side has no damage at all where people still lived a normal life. China achieved all her strategic goals and Vietnam lost everything.
Check Wikipedia and see the facts and figures.The whole North Vietnam got destroyed and Vietnam lost everything? lol I’m not sure if this is a product of Ah Q power or strong propaganda. Too funny.
Check Wikipedia and see the facts and figures.
China used the war to project herself to become a rich and powerful country now, look at where China and Vietnam's places then and now and you can see a clear winner. If there is an Ah Q, it's Vietnam, comparing to China with their country itself shows every bit of it.
same to youI think you need to go to a Daoshi and ask him to exorcise the Ah Q spirit from you.
So what you're alluding to is that in the end pragmatism will win the day, yes? War is a foregone conclusion.
Okay, if my figures are unrealistic, then what would a realistic figure be then?
same to you
You humiliated the USSR by showing that it can’t defend its ally?
Why would the USSR need to intervene when thousands of the PLA soldiers got slaughtered within weeks, after which the whole PLA decided to withdraw its entire force from Vietnam? If Vietnam was occupied for 10 years, then yes, I would have ridiculed the USSR. But that was not the case, your PLA had already decided to withdraw only after a few weeks.
In fact, it was China that wasn’t able to defend its Cambodian ally, when it just “stood by” and watch its ally Cambodia being occupied for the next 10 years after your “spiritual victory”, while the PLA only lasted a few weeks in VN. Now you are using your Ah Q power to spin it around and claim that its the USSR that got “humiliated” for not being able to defend its Viet ally. lol
And here is another funny fact: after the PLA withdrew back to China, it decided to mine its own border (which now threaten your own civilians). That says it all.
PLA to clear mines along China-Vietnam border - Global Times
Check Wikipedia and see the facts and figures.
China used the war to project herself to become a rich and powerful country now, look at where China and Vietnam's places then and now and you can see a clear winner. If there is an Ah Q, it's Vietnam, comparing to China with their country itself shows every bit of it.
well yea, that was my point as well. There is no way, either government would allow the casualties to go that far. That's a noob assessment that takes not even a hint of reality into consideration.i had not wanted to divert to a different topic of whether or not "winning" by whatever metric is easy or possible. but just wanted to say his casualty figures are completely unrealistic.
No, man, admit it, China lost a lot in the war, definitely!!!!
1. only 10 years ago, in 1950's-1970's, China and Vietnam was still ally during the America-Vietnam war. 10 years later they became enemy, it's a lost.
2. During the America-Vietnam war, China spent HUGE money, materials and deployed military persons in Vietnam, when Vietnam-China break up, all those expenditure were wasted. China buy an enemy, it's a lost.
3. The America and France use China-Vietnam war to wash white their evil in Vietnam. It's a lost.
Because Vietnam failed to annex Cambodia, so you stated the reason ( of invasion Cambodia ) this way. But the truth is not what you state.
Cambodia was part of Vietnam in some historical period, at least a closed ally or vassal kingdom. I can understand why Vietnam wanted to annex Cambodia. The problem was, when coming into 1970's, the era had changed, Vietnam already hadn't the ability to control or divide the area, politics by itself. Regardless of western international law, Vietnam and Cambodia were two parallel parts of France, in this case, Vietnam lacked the law supports to annex Cambodia. That's the reason.
China can always use the same old strategy, keeps Vietnamese busy and poor, devastate their economy while developing China fast and overtaking other countries to become the top economy in the world.
Anyways, let's focus on the subject matter and analyze Vietnam's new military acquisitions, shall we?