Vietnam building deterrent against China in disputed seas with submarines

[hans]

I also hate wars....
Yet for VN people, challenging China with such mind that China cannot afford such lost and will compromise is dangerous.
It encourage people to make aggressive operation that may finally cause a war
China don`t want a war. But if VN starts a war, it will be hurt severely while China hurt little..

I am not a pro-war person. Just try to make a point that if China fight us, China will get hurt, even if we die.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I also hate wars....
Yet for VN people, challenging China with such mind that China cannot afford such lost and will compromise is dangerous.
It encourage people to make aggressive operation that may finally cause a war
China don`t want a war. But if VN starts a war, it will be hurt severely while China hurt little..

A war scenario between China and Vietnam in 2014 will be similar to the first gulf war.

 

[Mike_Brando]

idiot aggressor has big mouth.

Maybe it's time for your Govt. to buy a couple of hundred BRAHMOS anti-ship version and equip your entiresurface fleet with it.Plus the newer BRAHMOS-M missile(under development) can be easily fitted inside the torpedo tubes of the new improved Kilo class submarine.

 

[xesy]

I also hate wars....
Yet for VN people, challenging China with such mind that China cannot afford such lost and will compromise is dangerous.
It encourage people to make aggressive operation that may finally cause a war
China don`t want a war. But if VN starts a war, it will be hurt severely while China hurt little..

Well both sides keep quarelling like we are doing and soon someone will pull the trigger. Yet it's unsure who will be the first. Let's wait and see for ourselves.

 

[Mike_Brando]

Of course our will power will do nothing against the strike, but it will help dealing with the aftermath. A house gets destroyed by the missle, we build it up against. No medicine to help the injured? We skip lunches to save money to buy some. Working overtime to produce an extra bucket of bulllets, without taking the extra wages, etc. We can do all sort of things with will power alone, and when those things combined, it will be more effective than anythings in our asenal. (Sorry for the messy grammar, I am light-headed today)

That is the sole reason why i have got huge respect for Vietnam and her people,the indomitable will power of the Viet people inspired many other races to fight against imperialism and tyranny.You would be surprised to hear that the city where i live in India has named a major street after Ho Chi Minh.During the Vietnam war my city saw a large number of protests and processions supporting the Viet people against the naked imperialistic aggression by the U.S.One of the most popular slogans of that era was "We can forget our fathers's name but we won't forget about Vietnam"(The original was of course in Bengali)

 

[hans]

China will not be the first to pull the trigger..
But China will be well prepared..

Well both sides keep quarelling like we are doing and soon someone will pull the trigger. Yet it's unsure who will be the first. Let's wait and see for ourselves.

 

[NiceGuy]

That is the sole reason why i have got huge respect for Vietnam and her people,the indomitable will power of the Viet people inspired many other races to fight against imperialism and tyranny.You would be surprised to hear that the city where i live in India has named a major street after Ho Chi Minh.During the Vietnam war my city saw a large number of protests and processions supporting the Viet people against the naked imperialistic aggression by the U.S.One of the most popular slogans of that era was "We can forget our fathers's name but we won't forget about Vietnam"(The original was of course in Bengali)

Thanks bro, in fact we only worry when facing with US army, and we look down on poorly trained , coward but big mouth PLA.

Just let them keep blah blah here, but who cares ?? China just got a humiliated lost in oil rig conflict and was kicked out of conflict zone by small VN forces again after 1979. The only thing they r really good at is just mouth fighting on PDF, thats all

 

[xesy]

Now it is the modern aerial warfare.

All your pilots with naked eyes will easily get taken out by PLAAF's air warning capability which is beyond the horizon.

You will fight with a blind sight, while China will fight with a clear sight.



The only way to hurt China is to have our ground troop got stranded in Vietnam like the way USSR in Afghanistan and the US in Iraq.

But we are not stupid, our primary war objective will be a pre-emptive strike to knock out all your facilities. And we won't send any ground troop on your soil.

The gap between VN and China tech surely isn't as great as it was between VN and US. Sure you might say "VN had China and Soviet tech at that time", but you honestly think both countries gave VN top-nortch equipment back then? Surely both countries highest priority was to keep VN and US fighting, not to make VN triump over US.

US pilots used to think like you, then they got into close dogfights with VN interceptors, and often out manuveur by smaller and faster Migs. That's why they had the infamous "Top Gun" program.

Like it or not, if China presses VN hard enough on the sea, the conflict will soon turn into a land battle. After all, human are land animal. Border harrass, sabotages, random artillery and missles strikes are inevitable. And the subs help us turn the traditional naval warfare into our beloved mud fight.

China will not be the first to pull the trigger..
But China will be well prepared..

Same goes here.

China won't pull the trigger, but China will ram, smash, run over, etc. you know, the usual stuff.

 

[Luca1]

Beside S-300, there thousands of SAM.

Can any of the SAM besides S-300 shoot down missiles?

 

[Mike_Brando]

China will not be the first to pull the trigger..
But China will be well prepared..

Just tell me one thing,why is your Govt. so hell bent in making enemies out of the blue.I mean you have hostile relation with us,Japan,Vietnam,Phillipines,South Korea and last but not the least the U.S.A. Among them are the three most powerful navies of the Asia i.e. Japan,S.Korea and India,not to mention the fact that the U.S. 7th fleet is always stationed in the S.C.S. region.So is your Govt. really going to take the risk and fight full fledged war against all the above mentioned countries??China is very strong both militarily and economically,there is no doubt about this but are you strong enough to antagonize all these countries simultaneously!!

 

[Luca1]

Maybe it's time for your Govt. to buy a couple of hundred BRAHMOS anti-ship version and equip your entiresurface fleet with it.Plus the newer BRAHMOS-M missile(under development) can be easily fitted inside the torpedo tubes of the new improved Kilo class submarine.

Brahmos again? Its clear that Brahmos is based on outdated Russian technology. Since it flies way to high in the initial stage, the target ship's radar can pick up the missile and deploy counter measures.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Can any of the SAM besides S-300 shoot down missiles?

Nope, too slow to shoot down the ballistic missiles.

 

[hans]

China has very good relationship with south Korea..
Also China want to take back things that are taken when China was weak.
As for India, it takes a lot of land from Tibet and China want to claim them back..
China is trying to get them back with slow but steady operation..
There will be no wars...

Just tell me one thing,why is your Govt. so hell bent in making enemies out of the blue.I mean you have hostile relation with us,Japan,Vietnam,Phillipines,South Korea and last but not the least the U.S.A. Among them are the three most powerful navies of the Asia i.e. Japan,S.Korea and India,not to mention the fact that the U.S. 7th fleet is always stationed in the S.C.S. region.So is your Govt. really going to take the risk and fight full fledged war against all the above mentioned countries??China is very strong both militarily and economically,there is no doubt about this but are you strong enough to antagonize all these countries simultaneously!!

 

[Mike_Brando]

Brahmos again? Its clear that Brahmos is based on outdated Russian technology. Since it flies way to high in the initial stage, the target ship's radar can pick up the missile and deploy counter measures.

Lol,we will only know about the true potential of the BRAHMOS in case of a future naval engagement between the two of our nation.But on a serious note,i can assure you that once a BRAHMOS is launced it'll extremely difficult for the target ship to deploy counter measures as virtually they won't get zero response time to do so...

 

[xesy]

Just tell me one thing,why is your Govt. so hell bent in making enemies out of the blue.I mean you have hostile relation with us,Japan,Vietnam,Phillipines,South Korea and last but not the least the U.S.A. Among them are the three most powerful navies of the Asia i.e. Japan,S.Korea and India,not to mention the fact that the U.S. 7th fleet is always stationed in the S.C.S. region.So is your Govt. really going to take the risk and fight full fledged war against all the above mentioned countries??China is very strong both militarily and economically,there is no doubt about this but are you strong enough to antagonize all these countries simultaneously!!

Thanks buddy for supporting VN.

China actually warms up its relationship with S.Korea, as N.Korea starts shaking off China hands. You know the recent rumor of Kim sending tanks to NK-China border. China also maintains a large force in the North East region to keep both the Russian and NK in check.

China actually repeats the same steps that Germany did before WW2: a miraculous recovery, a quick rise, conflicts with neibours, befriend with countries that are far away. I guess that soon China will pick up fight with smaller neigbours, before targeting bigger ones. VN might be in the same situation as Poland before: neibour of a big rising power. Let's hope we will not share the same fate.