Vietnam building deterrent against China in disputed seas with submarines

[William Hung]

Dude, saying like that you totally ignore the concept of guerilla warfare and psychological warfare, which VN actually prefers over conventional warfare. One sub in the region, how many ships will be sent out there looking for it? How many ships could commit to battle without defending their backs against a potential deadly enemy? And even if you manage keep the area secured, the question becomes how long can you do that? When you lower the guard our subs can move in again. The threat of being attack is actually the main purpose of VNese subs, to the offensive capability.

Can't you see I was already being very very generous to your Kilos?

I even gave them LVL 9000 invincible shield against enemy ASW.

After your first strike, all your Kilos with its limited endurance will only have 45 days to do whatever it needs to do. During that time, probably all your military infrastructure, including the Kilos base, will be destroyed.

 

[xesy]

Germany has proved that only submarine operating in enemy control sea will not work.
Modern anti-sub aircraft, ships can easily trace the submarine once it float on surface or attack.
Unless you stay at bottom without firing, you may survive...

Come on, in WW2 US people accepted things like sending 10,000 men with limited air, naval or armor support against heavily fortified coast of France to get slaughtered. Now the same people whines when a handful of their soldiers get killed in a suicide bomb attack in Iraq. In WW2, a transport ship got sunk, they sent 10 more, are you sure China can do the same now? Are your people can accept that kind of casualities, especially when China still keeps the one child policy. Strategy and tatics evole over time, can't say everything is already decided from the start.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

it's pretty obvious Vietnam can't beat China in a protracted war, but they can severely diminish her Navy and reputation.

Those green bird Vietnamese kilos will easily get hunted down by PLAN's Type 093B and Type 095 fast attack boomers.

 

[xesy]

it's pretty obvious Vietnam can't beat China in a protracted war, but they can severely diminish her Navy and reputation.

Draging the enemy to the mud, everyone comes out dirty. VN just loves doing that.

 

[hans]

If there is a war, the SU 30 in north side of VN will surely be shoot down or destroyed on ground at first strike.
the SU30 in south side of VN could be a problem.
But for limited number of air strike, ships like 054 can also handle them
And there will be no replacement for VN SU 30...

you take out the 052 then the SU-30MK can strike from the air.

 

[C130]

If there is a war, the SU 30 in north side of VN will surely be shoot down or destroyed on ground at first strike.
the SU30 in south side of VN could be a problem.
But for limited number of air strike, ships like 054 can also handle them
And there will be no replacement for VN SU 30...

eeeh maybe. seems kinda dumb on their part if they could easily be shoot down being so far north.

 

[William Hung]

it's pretty obvious Vietnam can't beat China in a protracted war, but they can severely diminish her Navy and reputation.

Yes, China can lose assets, lose face. But VN will lose much more. However, there is this one guy who keeps barking and eats popcorns and dream about something else.

Their make or break period was in 2000s to grow their economy, get more weapons. They failed, and could now only send NiceGuy, the popcorn eating guy, to debate on Internet to save them face.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

eeeh maybe. seems kinda dumb on their part if they could easily be shoot down being so far north.

This is not a fair warfare, we have a whole ecosystem of equipment, while Vietnam can only buy few isolated equipment.

Not mentioning the training level, since an average PLAAF pilot will annually fly over 200 hours, can Vietnam handle such training cost? Not mentioning nor they have this available condition to train their pilots.

 

[hans]

But China will definitely not fight a land war with VN..
China will only eliminate your air force and navy, strike your ports, disable your military power.
China only spend some money and VN is over in military side..
If there is people killed, it will be VN people..
Why are you so interested in challenging China with military force??
It will not do you good..

Come on, in WW2 US people accepted things like sending 10,000 men with limited air, naval or armor support against heavily fortified coast of France to get slaughtered. Now the same people whines when a handful of their soldiers get killed in a suicide bomb attack in Iraq. In WW2, a transport ship got sunk, they sent 10 more, are you sure China can do the same now? Are your people can accept that kind of casualities, especially when China still keeps the one child policy. Strategy and tatics evole over time, can't say everything is already decided from the start.

 

[xesy]

If there is a war, the SU 30 in north side of VN will surely be shoot down or destroyed on ground at first strike.
the SU30 in south side of VN could be a problem.
But for limited number of air strike, ships like 054 can also handle them
And there will be no replacement for VN SU 30...

Unlikely. VN Su30s are stationed in South VN. North VN only have a bunch of old interceptors around. It has always been like that.

eeeh maybe. seems kinda dumb on their part if they could easily be shoot down being so far north.

China has a radar station build in Lao Son hill (China calls it Phoenix hill) which can cover the whole NV air space. We acknowledge that. VN might meet disadvantages when have aerial combat over NV.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Unlikely. VN Su30s are stationed in South VN. North VN only have a bunch of old interceptors around. It has always been like that.

China has a radar station build in Lao Son hill (China calls it Phoenix hill) which can cover the whole NV air space. We acknowledge that. VN might meet disadvantages when have aerial combat over NV.

Not only the disadvantage, all your poorly trained air force will get knocked out briefly after the war scenario.

 

[xesy]

But China will definitely not fight a land war with VN..
China will only eliminate your air force and navy, strike your ports, disable your military power.
China only spend some money and VN is over in military side..
If there is people killed, it will be VN people..
Why are you so interested in challenging China with military force??
It will not do you good..

I am not a pro-war person. Just try to make a point that if China fight us, China will get hurt, even if we die.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am not a pro-war person. Just try to make a point that if China fight us, China will get hurt, even if we die.

China will get tickled, while Vietnam will cry for mercy.

 

[xesy]

Not only the disadvantage, all your poorly trained air force will get knocked out briefly after the war scenario.

Dude, if trainning is all that matter, then VNese first generation pilot will get shot down like flies by US pilots trained by WW2 and Korean veteran. Sure there were many VNese pilots got kill, but also some aces were born.

China will get tickled, while Vietnam will cry for mercy.

A needle can kill, you know, just the right kind of needle in the right place.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Dude, if trainning is all that matter, then VNese first generation pilot will get shot down like flies by US pilots trained by WW2 and Korean veteran. Sure there were many VNese pilots got kill, but also some aces were born.

Now it is the modern aerial warfare.

All your pilots with naked eyes will easily get taken out by PLAAF's air warning capability which is beyond the horizon.

You will fight with a blind sight, while China will fight with a clear sight.

A needle can kill, you know, just the right kind of needle in the right place.

The only way to hurt China is to have our ground troop got stranded in Vietnam like the way USSR in Afghanistan and the US in Iraq.

But we are not stupid, our primary war objective will be a pre-emptive strike to knock out all your facilities. And we won't send any ground troop on your soil.