Vietnam acknowledged Chinese sovereignty over South China Sea in 1958

[Rechoice]

Another way of saying that is no one admit you own these two islands, can you tell me ,who admit your claim??



your can't use a no one recognize claim as a Excuse。



MEMORANDUM
Outlining Vice-Premier Li Xiannian's Talk
with Premier Pham Van Dong on June 10, 197 7



you can see when talk to these statement he said "we of course had to" 、”understand our statements “。
he not said “North Vietnam of course had to”、“understand North Vietnam statements”，mean these statement not only North Vietnam statements ,also coalition government's statements .

June 10, 1977，Vietnam already is a coalition government, Pham Van Dong is a Prime Minister of coalition government ,so his views behalf of the Vietnamese Government's views, "we"and "our" behalf of the Vietnamese Government.

China don't have others evident to claim.
They still lies.

 

[akittya]

Thks for understanding.
Diplomat letter by Pham Van Dong informed that North Vietnam (from 17th Altitude up to Northward, not including two Island) respect to 12 miles of Coastline of China only.
Why China lies about the nature of letter ? Be course China don't have evidents to claim islands, which belong to Vietnam.

not including two Island

You participate in the discussion many times, including these two islands is clear, really do not understand why you have to lie

 

[akittya]

China don't have others evident to claim.
They still lies.

They still lies.

you can not argue my argument, so you can only say so.

you can get pdf file form this link Check I said is true or false

 

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

Another way of saying that is no one admit you own these two islands, can you tell me ,who admit your claim??

They opposed Soviet's idea: give those islands to China.
And, if no one oppose it, it means they admit it, right?

your can't use a no one recognize claim as a Excuse。

Why?

MEMORANDUM
Outlining Vice-Premier Li Xiannian's Talk
with Premier Pham Van Dong on June 10, 197 7

He said that he agree with Chinese sovereignty over Paracel or Spartly? No
He said that PVD diplomacy note support Chinese sovereignty over Paracel or Spartly?? No
So what???

you can see when talk to these statement he said "we of course had to" 、”understand our statements “。
he not said “North Vietnam of course had to”、“understand North Vietnam statements”，mean these statement not only North Vietnam statements ,also coalition government's statements .

June 10, 1977，Vietnam already is a coalition government, Pham Van Dong is a Prime Minister of coalition government ,so his views behalf of the Vietnamese Government's views, "we"and "our" behalf of the Vietnamese Government.

So because he use "we" and "our", North Vietnam and Viet Cong are one government in Vietnam War?
How funny your argument is

You participate in the discussion many times, including these two islands is clear, really do not understand why you have to lie

You have to lie (and avoid my points), not us.

 

[Rechoice]

you can not argue my argument, so you can only say so.

you can get pdf file form this link Check I said is true or false

Argument of China is false, therefore China Gov refused to bring this dispute to International Court based on suggestion of Filipino Gov.

 

[grey boy 2]

Hey, wondering why you viets still doing your "Blah, Blah, Blah" as usual, don't you ever keep up with the newest developments of this issue? Wake up please.
I just heard from the news that China and Vietnam are closing to reach an agreement of "joint development" to resolve the conflict, perhaps its time for you vietnamese internet warriors to hit the road and move on
Joint development key to resolving South China Sea dispute - People's Daily Online

 

[Rechoice]

I have answered you many many times
1 、So North Vietnam never have any right over Paracel---》》not need you get(because no one recognize you own these two islands.) but you can recognize our claim
2、Not only South Vietnam have the sovereignty over Paracel, Viet Cong (Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam) also have-----》1977 Vietnamese coalition government still recognize this is a coalition government statement.

On 26-1-1974, the Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam claimed three point stance on the resolution of territorial disputes; on 14-2-1974 statement said Island Hoang Sa and Truong Sa archipelago is a part of the territory of Vietnam.
On 5 and 6-5-1975, the Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam announced the realease of the islands in the Spratly Islands by the Saigon government hold. On 28-6-1974, announced at the first session of the Conference 3 rd Law of the Sea in Caracas that the Paracel and Spratly islands are Vietnam's.
May 9-1975, delegation Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam at the Meteorological Conference in Colombo claimed that the Paracel Islands from Vietnam and request the World Meteorological Organization to continue the name meteorological stations in Vietnam's Hoang Sa meteorological list of the World Meteorological Organization (previously registered in the system of stations of the expression of OMM 48 860).

 

[happycanuck]

Who is proud to be a cheater , who should be hit.


Ungrateful（Alias​​: Vietnamese）definition：
who promise something X belong to someone
but X is controlled by someone's enemy at then
who get something X from someone's enemy
who changed idea, say :" X should belong to me".

Hello:

You seem to have very good grip on the situation about the Islands in dispute in SCS. Your other brother Dragon is also an expert but both of you keep producing a so called letter from than NORTH VIETNAM regime who did not have the sovereingty over the Islands therefore the letter has no validity in the International Courts. What we need is the historical proof that the Islands were inhabitated by the Chinies nationals for specific period of time. We do not need the stories about fishermen from China use to harbour on those Islands. In the gone by century people from different nations use to venture out to explore the seas that does not mean that land discovered becomes their property. You have to comply by the International laws in place as we speak.

You might also know China also tried to push North Korea in to giving into Chinas pressure tactics tha same you did to North Vietnam regime in the late 50's. At that time North Korea got support from South Korea diplomatically and only than China backed off. China wanted access to oil rich area on the coast of North Korea. Your country still has boundary dispute with North Korea to this date.

Your country did the dirty tricks with Tibet leadership. Your finger prints are all over the places where ever you have geographic advantage as in Tibet because it is landlocked and India did not go along with USA proposal to take you on.

It is the habit of China to lie to the world community as we saw during the SARS crisis. You are living in the time period of Internet age nothing can be hidden for too long.

So stop debating the issue on false pretext come clean with some concrete historical evidence to make your case.

Have a good day. May the Peace be with you

HAPPYCANUCK HAPPY TO BE IN CANADA.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Hello:

You seem to have very good grip on the situation about the Islands in dispute in SCS. Your other brother Dragon is also an expert but both of you keep producing a so called letter from than NORTH VIETNAM regime who did not have the sovereingty over the Islands therefore the letter has no validity in the International Courts. What we need is the historical proof that the Islands were inhabitated by the Chinies nationals for specific period of time. We do not need the stories about fishermen from China use to harbour on those Islands. In the gone by century people from different nations use to venture out to explore the seas that does not mean that land discovered becomes their property. You have to comply by the International laws in place as we speak.

You might also know China also tried to push North Korea in to giving into Chinas pressure tactics tha same you did to North Vietnam regime in the late 50's. At that time North Korea got support from South Korea diplomatically and only than China backed off. China wanted access to oil rich area on the coast of North Korea. Your country still has boundary dispute with North Korea to this date.

Your country did the dirty tricks with Tibet leadership. Your finger prints are all over the places where ever you have geographic advantage as in Tibet because it is landlocked and India did not go along with USA proposal to take you on.

It is the habit of China to lie to the world community as we saw during the SARS crisis. You are living in the time period of Internet age nothing can be hidden for too long.

So stop debating the issue on false pretext come clean with some concrete historical evidence to make your case.

Have a good day. May the Peace be with you

HAPPYCANUCK HAPPY TO BE IN CANADA.

Hello Happy Canuck. Too much of a coward to show your true flags?

We all know your actually Vietnamese.

 

[akittya]

They opposed Soviet's idea: give those islands to China.
And, if no one oppose it, it means they admit it, right?


Why?



He said that he agree with Chinese sovereignty over Paracel or Spartly? No
He said that PVD diplomacy note support Chinese sovereignty over Paracel or Spartly?? No
So what???



So because he use "we" and "our", North Vietnam and Viet Cong are one government in Vietnam War?
How funny your argument is



You have to lie (and avoid my points), not us.

They opposed Soviet's idea: give those islands to China.
And, if no one oppose it, it means they admit it, right?

no ,your no islands give ,because your not own these two island,no one admit your own these two island.
if no one oppose it, it means they admit it---->first ：China at the meeting no representatives two:This is conditional, must continue a long time no objection.
The international community does not recognize you own these two islands is a fact, claim does not mean you own.

He said that he agree with Chinese sovereignty over Paracel or Spartly? No
He said that PVD diplomacy note support Chinese sovereignty over Paracel or Spartly?? No
So what???

He admit these statement not only North Vietnam statement,also coalition government's statement. but will not execute it.
Simply put an example, you admit you borrowed the money from you, but never pay back the money to me. Instead, you desperately looking for an excuse to Excused not borrow money from me.
You dirty more than the Vietnamese Government.

So because he use "we" and "our", North Vietnam and Viet Cong are one government in Vietnam War?
How funny your argument is

Suspect you are not Vietnamese, 1977 is already a coalition government, you do not know?
1977 still in Vietnam War?

Why?

haha .
As you say, if necessary you can find any excuse. you can say your born your mother, so your mother is your daughter. Although no one believe you say is right, the fact that no one would think that your mother is your daughter.

 

[akittya]

Hello:

You seem to have very good grip on the situation about the Islands in dispute in SCS. Your other brother Dragon is also an expert but both of you keep producing a so called letter from than NORTH VIETNAM regime who did not have the sovereingty over the Islands therefore the letter has no validity in the International Courts. What we need is the historical proof that the Islands were inhabitated by the Chinies nationals for specific period of time. We do not need the stories about fishermen from China use to harbour on those Islands. In the gone by century people from different nations use to venture out to explore the seas that does not mean that land discovered becomes their property. You have to comply by the International laws in place as we speak.

You might also know China also tried to push North Korea in to giving into Chinas pressure tactics tha same you did to North Vietnam regime in the late 50's. At that time North Korea got support from South Korea diplomatically and only than China backed off. China wanted access to oil rich area on the coast of North Korea. Your country still has boundary dispute with North Korea to this date.

Your country did the dirty tricks with Tibet leadership. Your finger prints are all over the places where ever you have geographic advantage as in Tibet because it is landlocked and India did not go along with USA proposal to take you on.

It is the habit of China to lie to the world community as we saw during the SARS crisis. You are living in the time period of Internet age nothing can be hidden for too long.

So stop debating the issue on false pretext come clean with some concrete historical evidence to make your case.

Have a good day. May the Peace be with you

HAPPYCANUCK HAPPY TO BE IN CANADA.

On your question relating to the Vietnamese ， I have answer in this thread already, if you can, please point out my error, if you can't, then you should shut up! !

 

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

no ,your no islands give ,because your not own these two island,no one admit your own these two island.
if no one oppose it, it means they admit it---->first ：China at the meeting no representatives two:This is conditional, must continue a long time no objection.
The international community does not recognize you own these two islands is a fact, claim does not mean you own.

Try to oppose the fact: They opposed Soviet's idea: give those islands to China?
Reject "give those islands to China" and "do not oppose Vietnamese claim", it's not enough?
Why they didn't admit Vietnamese claim if they reject to give it to China?

He admit these statement not only North Vietnam statement,also coalition government's statement. but will not execute it.
Simply put an example, you admit you borrowed the money from you, but never pay back the money to me. Instead, you desperately looking for an excuse to Excused not borrow money from me.
You dirty more than the Vietnamese Government.

It's no logical. You can't oppose the truth that those islands belong to Viet Cong (Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam) (and South Vietnam too), not North Vietnam, and both Viet Cong and South Vietnam oppose your claim. New Vietnam have those islands from Viet Cong, not because they defeat South Vietnam. Understand? You just make things up to fake your rubbish sovereignty.

Suspect you are not Vietnamese, 1977 is already a coalition government, you do not know?
1977 still in Vietnam War?

What happen in 1977? PVD use "we" and "our"? So what? Your points are meaningless.

haha .
As you say, if necessary you can find any excuse. you can say your born your mother, so your mother is your daughter. Although no one believe you say is right, the fact that no one would think that your mother is your daughter.

What are you talking about? Why can't you answer the main part of my points clearly? Avoid that truth that North Vietnam and Viet Cong (Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam) are different with some rubbish excuse?

 

[wealdcn017]

This is the copy of a credential submitted to China by Vietnam government on 1958-9-14

The English translation of the credential by our Vietnamese friend



The accurate translation of the bold part should be "Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4， 1958)"

The main point of this credential should be "The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's Government agreed to terms of China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim."


Then what is "China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim" or "Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4， 1958)"?

"Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4， 1958)" in Chinese.



"Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4， 1958)" in English



Please note the red part, and keep in mind that Vietnam government agreed to terms of China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim.

this declaration is enough, though we have thousands of kinds evidence.
i do not think the viet can go back on his words, just like take back it's shi t with it's mouth.

 

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

this declaration is enough, though we have thousands of kinds evidence.
i do not think the viet can go back on his words, just like take back it's shi t with it's mouth.

Hey you, do not make things up.

Check this

Hello:

Why would you even think of posting the so called credential when that iit self implicates your harmony seeking regime as an aggressor against the weak neighbours. You would like to walk all over them. Do you really believe the International community will sit back and watch?

How can you claim the Islands with out naming them in the so called credentials signed by North Vietnam who were being dictated because of the war like situation against South Vietnam. This is how you illegally occupied the Tibet as well. What does it mean all the islands in SCS? One can not claim all the Islands and not name them. Do you go around in your country and claim all the property as your own? This is the most absurd argument I have heard.

I heard China also wants the part of action in arctic ocean which is in dispute between several countries. You know how it it being resolved.
Do your self a favour read it on the Internet. May be you will learn a thing or two to make your claim on Islands in SCS.

Vietnam has presented lot of historical documents published in the form of books in several countries. What is your proof of ownership?
One of your countryman said somewhere in the forum fishermen in the past uses to come out on the Island. But the question is did they make iit as their home on a continuous basis, if not than it has no standing the court of law as proof of ownership.

I am not at all convinced by your argument. The Islands in dispute were under control of South Vietnam at that time and they were the guardian of those Islands. What North Vietnam agreed to is not admissable in the court of law as a credential. Case closed and you are guilty of committing the crime against Vietnam. If you keep on behaving this way you will alone have to bear the consequences of the same. What you sow shall reap. Have sweet dreams and sleep good.

North Vietnam does not have the sovereignty over Paracel and Spartly (Viet Cong [Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam] and South Vietnam does). So North Vietnam does not have the right to discuss about the sovereign over Paracel and Spartly. You only can accuse Vietnam for "recognize China's claim" if one of those 2 governments recognize, too bad they already opposed China's claim
Not to mention that it's just diplomacy note.

 

[wealdcn017]

Hey you, do not make things up.

Check this



North Vietnam does not have the sovereignty over Paracel and Spartly (Viet Cong [Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam] and South Vietnam does). So North Vietnam does not have the right to discuss about the sovereign over Paracel and Spartly. You only can accuse Vietnam for "recognize China's claim" if one of those 2 governments recognize, too bad they already opposed China's claim
Not to mention that it's just diplomacy note.

north vietnam is your current govement.
so, you have two options, viet has no goverment, let south viet independent.
or the islands belong to china.