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Vietnam acknowledged Chinese sovereignty over South China Sea in 1958

Coz I got married with my neighbours, after borrowring akittya money, so I got her house, and I'm paying back akittya now by my salary, but I won't sell my wife's house to akittya :lol:

Your situation is understandble that you can't sell your wife's house but the truth is that you forcefully robbed the neighbour house and made the maiden your wife. Even her brothers fled to US to avoid extermination. Could you tell me what are you going to do if akittya demands for the money you borrowed now? It has been a long time since 1958. :laugh:
 
VN will not sell any lands, islands to any one ???

Ask this Vietnamese PhD Tran Dai Sy when he cried and wrote this poem at the China-Vietnam border:

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But they don't have any clear envidence, clear map to prove that lands belong to VIetNAm.

VietNAm olny have the clear map for Paracel and Spratly islands, but we did not have any clear map for VN-China land border before 2008, so it can not call: selled to China , bro :p:
 
Don't twist it to suit your needs, dear Gambit! :laugh:

A said, these islands belong to A.
B agreed to what A said.

Simple is that and you dare to say B did not even implied it? Your reading comprehension need to be improved dear Gambit! :rofl:
My reading comprehension is just fine, if not superior to yours.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...er-south-china-sea-1958-a-14.html#post1962530

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...er-south-china-sea-1958-a-15.html#post1967500
If Phạm Văn Đồng's 1958 letter to China constitute concession, then what are we to make of President Ngô Đình Diệm's 1961 incorporation of the islands into Quang Nam province? How did that North Viet Nam's 1958 letter overrode South Viet Nam's resistance to China's claim to the islands? Not only common sense but international law recognizes that only the claimant -- or 'the State' -- that has effective custodial controls of a territory have the right to do with the territory as it see fit. To exploit or to give away if it want to. Did North Viet Nam had such effective custodial controls of the islands to give it away to China? No.

In another way of looking at any moral value and legal force of this 1958 letter, when France withdrew from the region, she conceded whatever territory she controlled at that time to the best available authority figure she believed to be most capable of assuming authority, exercise proper custodial duties, and establish visible sovereign claims on the islands: South Viet Nam. This government then resisted, successfully or else is besides the point, plans and attempts by foreigners to establish their own authority upon the islands. Should we not consider that resistance to be as equally valid an attempt to deny Chinese possession of the islands as North Viet Nam's alleged concession of the same? And if that resistance is equally valid, then should they morally cancel each other out? And if we agree that they canceled each other out, then should we place any value, moral and/or legal, of the current Chinese presentation of that 1958 letter from Pham Van Dong? No, it has no moral value and no legal force. Then and today.

You need to address those points. Else you are nothing more than a mental hamster running in place cycling the same discredited arguments.
 
Your situation is understandble that you can't sell your wife's house but the truth is that you forcefully robbed the neighbour house and made the maiden your wife. Even her brothers fled to US to avoid extermination. Could you tell me what are you going to do if akittya demands for the money you borrowed now? It has been a long time since 1958. :laugh:

I'm poor, I'm broke, I just got married and having some children to feed. I don't have enough money now, and I can not sell my wife's house also coz she doesn't agree. SO pls wait for me till I can find a good job in America's company in VietNAm, US boss is comming and instruct me on how to earn money now :lol:
 
1. So, you admitted that VN government made that mistake.

2. The difference is PM Pham Van Dong knew real well that those islands (Paracel & Spratly) are parts of Vietnam as a whole, although Vietnam was in the Civil war. If you already admitted that VN government made that mistake then you should not try to defense for PM Pham Van Dong's letter. :azn:
No one is defending that letter. We are saying that the Chinese is making it out to be more than what it really is.
 
But they don't have any clear envidence, clear map to prove that lands belong to VIetNAm.

VietNAm olny have the clear map for Paracel and Spratly islands, but we did not have any clear map for VN-China land border before 2008, so it can not call: selled to China , bro :p:

Are you saying that your history books were made from FAKE?

You can LIE but you can't HIDE from the TRUTH, NiceGuy ... :laugh:

Ai Nam Quan :laugh:
 
No one is defending that letter. We are saying that the Chinese is making it out to be more than what it really is.

No one? Why are you not telling the TRUTH huh Gambit?

How many Vietnamese posters were trying to defending that letter as NVN had neither administration nor even administrative rights over the islands etc ...? :rofl:

So what if Chinese posters want to make it a big deal out of that letter and if it is not that important for Viets to raise their voice then why are we having this discussion? :azn:

Face the FACTS, dear Gambit and all the thing that you have been trying to defense for Communist Vietnam ... even though you want to lable it as VIETNAM in general.
 
Are you saying that your history books were made from FAKE?

You can LIE but you can't HIDE from the TRUTH, NiceGuy ... :laugh:

Ai Nam Quan :laugh:
1. Our history books were burned many time by CHina , so it's hard to find down what is True in history book before 1788 -the lats time of China's invasion and occupied Hanoi.

2. DO you have any clear and detail map about VN-China lands border before 2008 where was Nam Quan gate on the map ??
 
No one? Why are you not telling the TRUTH huh Gambit?

How many Vietnamese posters were trying to defending that letter as NVN had neither administration nor even administrative rights over the islands etc ...? :rofl:

So what if Chinese posters want to make it a big deal out of that letter and if it is not that important for Viets to raise their voice then why are we having this discussion? :azn:

Face the FACTS, dear Gambit and all the thing that you have been trying to defense for Communist Vietnam ... even though you want to lable it as VIETNAM in general.
Viet Nam has sovereignty but it was South Viet Nam who was ASSIGNED authority and custodial rights to the islands by the July 20, 1954 Geneva Conference regarding the civil war. China was a party to that conference and did not object. So what China is doing now is equivalent to theft. Face those facts.
 
I'm poor, I'm broke, I just got married and having some children to feed. I don't have enough money now, and I can not sell my wife's house also coz she doesn't agree. SO pls wait for me till I can find a good job in America's company in VietNAm, US boss is comming and instruct me on how to earn money now :lol:

Yes, sure your wife's people are poor and broke; not you. Look at the government official members in Vietnam nowadys ... :laugh:
You can not sell my wife's house also coz she doesn't agree or you shut out her voice? Lots of examples ...
You can wait for US to come but the future is not predictable ... It's a warning! Don't count the number of chicks before they hatch ...

It is all about OIL and the GREEDY of human nature! Why can't you admit this FACT, huh NiceGuy? :rofl:
 
Viet Nam has sovereignty but it was South Viet Nam who was ASSIGNED authority and custodial rights to the islands by the July 20, 1954 Geneva Conference regarding the civil war. China was a party to that conference and did not object. So what China is doing now is equivalent to theft. Face those facts.

So what, why is a Vietnamese who knew well enough that those islands belong to his mother land and yet to SIGN away in agreement that those islands belong to the neighbour's? China can't be a thief when one of the family members agreed to give it away. Get the story straight, dear Gambit! :laugh:
 
Yes, sure your wife's people are poor and broke; not you. Look at the government official members in Vietnam nowadys ... :laugh:
You can not sell my wife's house also coz she doesn't agree or you shut out her voice? Lots of examples ...
You can wait for US to come but the future is not predictable ... It's a warning! Don't count the number of chicks before they hatch ...

It is all about OIL and the GREEDY of human nature! Why can't you admit this FACT, huh NiceGuy? :rofl:

1. hehe, all know we play tricked with China and South VN, but base on Internayional rules we strictly comply all process, so, China and the South can not complain about it and we're talking about International rules now, we Socialist of VietNam follow all the rules, bro :cheers:

2. Paracel and Spratly belong to VietNam, that the true and we have lost of envidence to prove it, SCS(esat sea) having important role for VietNAm coz if CHina can control it, we must knee down to CHina Naval force, it's not only about oil, but it's about Viet's future also, we can not knee down again after successfuly got rid of China 2000 years ago.
 
So what, why is a Vietnamese who knew well enough that those islands belong to his mother land and yet to SIGN away in agreement that those islands belong to the neighbour's? China can't be a thief when one of the family members agreed to give it away. Get the story straight, dear Gambit! :laugh:
He never signed anything away. It is the Chinese interpretation that he did so. If anyone who needs to get themselves straight, it is the Chinese because they have no legitimate evidences to support their claims.
 
1. Our history books were burned many time by CHina , so it's hard to find down what is True in history book before 1788 -the lats time of China's invasion and occupied Hanoi.

2. DO you have any clear and detail map about VN-China lands border before 2008 where was Nam Quan gate on the map ??

Poor excuses about your history were burned many times by Chinese, NiceGuy! look at here:

AiNamQuan

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He never signed anything away. It is the Chinese interpretation that he did so. If anyone who needs to get themselves straight, it is the Chinese because they have no legitimate evidences to support their claims.

Read it for yourself!

Map of 1958's China claim

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Don't twist it to suit your needs, dear Gambit! :laugh:

A said, these islands belong to A.
B agreed to what A said.

Simple is that and you dare to say B did not even implied it? :rofl:
 

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