Very long range BVR Air to air missiles

[PK_Patriot]

that's no issue man. pak fa will have 360 coverage through 5 of its aesa radars and then DAS(partial coverage though so assuming 180 or 270) will add extra punch in that. also Russians are developing a complete set of new weapons for pak fa so I am hopeful that they will come up with some really good stuffs.

is DAS useful

No BVR's are fired at 350 Kms from the target. to begin with. Long range BVR missiles are specifically used to target, Large slow moving targets like Awacs, Strato-tankers, Long Range Bombers, MPA's etc. BVR combat exchange between Combat aircrafts will happen at half of the engagement ranges, i.e. 60 to max 80 Kms, with Maws ranges being less than 20 -30 kms, the odds are stacked up against the aircraft. Especially if it is fired upon by and active seeking and passive seeking missile.

K172 Novator specs are not released, you might be confusing it with brahmos, or the alleged Buk airframe. As far as Aim 120 is concerned it's contempraries are Python4, Mica, Meteor, R77 Rvv Ae/Sd/Pd/md. K172/K100 is specifically for targeting enemy Awacs.

IF I am correct meteor range is 350 KM, it is not specifically for awacs, according to manufacturers they don't see any thread in 2 decades which can't be dealt with meteor !

 

[NKVD]

that's no issue man. pak fa will have 360 coverage through 5 of its aesa radars and then DAS(partial coverage though so assuming 180 or 270) will add extra punch in that. also Russians are developing a complete set of new weapons for pak fa so I am hopeful that they will come up with some really good stuffs.

Russians are Always biggest competitors of western tech Hope they will Carry USSR Legacy Forward in future As-well.

 

[PK_Patriot]

that's no issue man. pak fa will have 360 coverage through 5 of its aesa radars and then DAS(partial coverage though so assuming 180 or 270) will add extra punch in that. also Russians are developing a complete set of new weapons for pak fa so I am hopeful that they will come up with some really good stuffs.

is DAS useful in mid range air battle ? like 300-500 KM of range

 

[NKVD]

is DAS useful

useful It Can track any IR emissions from 1300 km Even a ballistic missile or a cruise missile


The only 360 degree, spherical situational awareness system




Northrop Grumman has developed the only 360 degree, spherical situational awareness system in the electro-optical distributed aperture system (DAS). The DAS surrounds the aircraft with a protective sphere of situational awareness. It warns the pilot of incoming aircraft and missile threats as well as providing day/night vision, fire control capability and precision tracking of wingmen/friendly aircraft for tactical maneuvering.


Designated the AN/AAQ-37 and comprising six electro-optical sensors, the full EO DAS will enhance the F-35's survivability and operational effectiveness by warning the pilot of incoming aircraft and missile threats, providing day/night vision and supporting the navigation function of the F-35 Lightning II's forward-looking infrared sensor.


The DAS provides:

• Missile detection and tracking
• Launch point detection
• Situational awareness IRST & cueing
• Weapons support
• Day/night navigation

In addition to developing the EO DAS, Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems is supplying the F-35's AN/APG-81 advanced electronically scanned array (AESA) fire-control radar. The AESA radar is designed to enable the pilot to effectively engage air and ground targets at long range, while also providing outstanding situational awareness.

 

[PK_Patriot]

useful It Can track any IR emissions from 1300 km Even a ballistic missile or a cruise missile

shorter range like pathankot airbase is 100 km away from Pakistan. delhi 300 k, sarghoda 200 km away from india etc

 

[NKVD]

shorter range like pathankot airbase is 100 km away from Pakistan. delhi 300 k, sarghoda 200 km away from india etc

All dude Its a complete Package See My above post

 

[PK_Patriot]

All dude Its a complete Package See My above post

now come to original point, very long range A2A is beneficial now or in future?

 

[NKVD]

now come to original point, very long range A2A is beneficial now or in future?

Look future is All about Stealth Aircraft.It Means That one who have first Look Has Always Have Advantage In A2A Engagements in BVR. And f-35 with APG 81 &An AAQ-37 DAS & Meteor BVR Will Always Have An Edge in Future Air Warfare with their Counterparts.

 

[PK_Patriot]

Look future is All about Stealth Aircraft.It Means That one who have first Look Has Always Have Advantage In A2A Engagements in BVR. And f-35 with APG 81 &An AAQ-37 DAS & Meteor BVR Will Always Have An Edge in Future Air Warfare with their Counterparts.

That is what I was talking about and main topic of this post that BVR A2A missile loosing edge

 

[danger007]

see following link how they russia/china countering (may be you have seen this all)
New U.S. Stealth Jet Can’t Hide From Russian Radar - The Daily Beast
Chinese and Russian Radars On Track To See Through U.S. Stealth | USNI News
Chinese Radar May Pierce F-35 Stealth Armor: Report | Defense Tech

"Please mention how many fighter radars got 350 km search in range" Why AWACS and other radars are for ?

Radar Ranges Of Different Fighters

I hope you do more research before opening thread like this...

 

[C130]

correct me wrong
a A2A missile doesn't burn the entire flight time?? unless it's a ramjet like Meteor
a A2A stated range actually quite smaller than percieved, since in tail chase it could be half and depending on how high the missile was launched

just to many variables I say.

 

[Viper0011.]

Look future is All about Stealth Aircraft.It Means That one who have first Look Has Always Have Advantage In A2A Engagements in BVR. And f-35 with APG 81 &An AAQ-37 DAS & Meteor BVR Will Always Have An Edge in Future Air Warfare with their Counterparts.

In a traditional conflict where there is distance between borders, you are right. The first look will have a lot of advantage. But in the Indian-Pak theater, its not the case unless both are using entirely stealthy jets. The borders are like 5-10 minutes from each others densely populated cities, there is a LOT of Radar and Sendors in place. A very long range BVR fired would mean what? A target 120 KM inside Pakistan's territory decides to land as its within its airbase....the missile is now looking for a bird to hit as there is no more target jet in the air. Plus, 120 km is a LOT of distance, if the target crosses sound barrrier and performs some maneuvers and changes altitude, the missile might end up burning 60 % of its fuel and reducing its No Escape zone. What happens then? It'll never get to the plane as it'll run out of the fuel.
There are a LOT of variants that play a role here. Neither one have entirely stealthy platforms but both have long range radars that can see 400 KM's inside each other's territory. You can't do a sneak attack or fire a long range BVR and imagine it'll hit. Du to immediate access and very short distance, there will be limited BVR in my opinion. This region will still see WVR as they are right next to each other

useful It Can track any IR emissions from 1300 km Even a ballistic missile or a cruise missile

Designated the AN/AAQ-37 and comprising six electro-optical sensors, the full EO DAS will enhance the F-35's survivability and operational effectiveness by warning the pilot of incoming aircraft and missile threats, providing day/night vision and supporting the navigation function of the F-35 Lightning II's forward-looking infrared sensor.
The DAS provides:

• Missile detection and tracking
• Launch point detection
• Situational awareness IRST & cueing
• Weapons support
• Day/night navigation

In addition to developing the EO DAS, Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems is supplying the F-35's AN/APG-81 advanced electronically scanned array (AESA) fire-control radar. The AESA radar is designed to enable the pilot to effectively engage air and ground targets at long range, while also providing outstanding situational awareness.

I've written about DAS in many places. This beast is a beauty. It can detect a small missiles' after burn launch from 700-800 miles away. Amazon tech. In the next few years, expect your radars to become obsolete and legacy tech as other sensors and tech like DAS will be used instead of radars

 

[PK_Patriot]

Radar Ranges Of Different Fighters

I hope you do more research before opening thread like this...

I have done research but you are missing AWACS, modern radars systems & under development radar technologies. This thread is about under development technologies and future of A2A

In a traditional conflict where there is distance between borders, you are right. The first look will have a lot of advantage. But in the Indian-Pak theater, its not the case unless both are using entirely stealthy jets. The borders are like 5-10 minutes from each others densely populated cities, there is a LOT of Radar and Sendors in place. A very long range BVR fired would mean what? A target 120 KM inside Pakistan's territory decides to land as its within its airbase....the missile is now looking for a bird to hit as there is no more target jet in the air. Plus, 120 km is a LOT of distance, if the target crosses sound barrrier and performs some maneuvers and changes altitude, the missile might end up burning 60 % of its fuel and reducing its No Escape zone. What happens then? It'll never get to the plane as it'll run out of the fuel.
There are a LOT of variants that play a role here. Neither one have entirely stealthy platforms but both have long range radars that can see 400 KM's inside each other's territory. You can't do a sneak attack or fire a long range BVR and imagine it'll hit. Du to immediate access and very short distance, there will be limited BVR in my opinion. This region will still see WVR as they are right next to each other



I've written about DAS in many places. This beast is a beauty. It can detect a small missiles' after burn launch from 700-800 miles away. Amazon tech. In the next few years, expect your radars to become obsolete and legacy tech as other sensors and tech like DAS will be used instead of radars

Great Sum up .................. love your last line "In the next few years, expect your radars to become obsolete and legacy tech as other sensors and tech like DAS will be used instead of radars"

 

[PK_Patriot]

correct me wrong
a A2A missile doesn't burn the entire flight time?? unless it's a ramjet like Meteor
a A2A stated range actually quite smaller than percieved, since in tail chase it could be half and depending on how high the missile was launched

just to many variables I say.

too many variables, if A2A comes closer to AirCraft then chase won't be long. Pilot must do some thing veryyyy smart, flare it or eject :p

 

[Lil Mathew]

World "impossible" is not in my dictionary

ha ha.. Next time make sure that all words are there in before buying a dictionary..