'Very Accurately' Examining Arrest Of Indian In Pakistan, Says Iran

[somebozo]

I am only telling the facts.



Or maybe you wake up and smell reality.

Iran is not an easy bullet to fight with and there is no reason Pakistan and Iran will go to war despite political differences there is no border dispute between Iran and Pakistan...Saddam learned a lesson hard way going to war with Iran..also the central strategic position of Iran means the war would inevitably involve India, Russia, Central Asia and US of A...

 

[kabooter_maila]

New Delhi:
Highlights

1. Kulbhushan Jadhav, an ex-Naval officer, was arrested last month by Pak
2. Pak alleges he entered through Iran, was planning "subversive activities"
3. India says he had no link with the government since premature retirement

Iran on Thursday said it was examining "very accurately" the issue of arrest of an ex-Indian Navy officer by Pakistan on charges of planning "subversive activities" in Balochistan after allegedly entering the country through Iran.

Iranian envoy Gholamreza Ansari, in an interaction with the media, also ruled out any possibility of the Iran-Pakistan -India gas pipeline project taking off, saying "we should forget about it".

When asked about Kulbhushan Jadhav's arrest, he said, "First of all we are trying to complete our own information about the case. And I don't think I am in a position now to say any word about that. But definitely we are looking into this issue very accurately."

Mr Jadhav was arrested last month by Pakistan, which described him as an officer of the Indian Navy, a claim debunked by the Indian government. India said he had no link with the government since premature retirement from the Navy.

Official sources had said that Mr Jadhav owned a small ship and used to carry cargo from Bandar Abbas and Chabahar ports in Iran and other adjoining areas to various locations.

Asked about Prime Minister Narendra Modi's possible visit to Iran, the Iranian envoy did not give any timeline but said talks on it are on. "The sooner the Prime Minister visits Iran the better it will be," he said.

The Iranian Ambassador pitched for deeper bilateral cooperation between India and Iran in a range of areas, saying Indo-Iran ties were was becoming increasingly important in the regional as well as international stage.

External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj had paid a two-day visit to Iran last week during which both sides had decided to step up engagement in oil some other sectors.

On the IPI project, Ansari said those who have invested in the LNG (liquified petroleum gas) projects in India will not allow the pipeline venture among India, Iran and Pakistan to take off.

"People who have invested in LNG in India, I don't think they will let any pipes to come in. Americans are looking for the Indian market for the future and any sort of pipeline will put and end to these investments. So I don't think pipeline can be a serious project. I am sure Americans will not let this project go ahead," he said.

India has been boycotting formal talks on the project since 2007 over security concerns as the pipelines would have to pass through Pakistan.

Asked about terror from Pakistani soil targeting Iran, he said it was a challenge and the two countries were trying to cooperate to deal with the scourge.

"This is something that happens...We are trying to cooperate and talk to the Pakistanis on how we can stop this sort of difficulties on our border...We are trying to encourage Pakistanis to reciprocate these efforts to stop this sort of activities," he said.

Blatant lies and fake stories shamelessly being spread by Indians are not going to work. While these stories seem to be spewed out for 'protecting' the terrorist Hindu monkey (I don't know whom these idiot Indians trying to fool around - ISI? cock!), the real purpose might be to hide the utter disappointment and shame on RAW's part for losing their chief field terrorist without a clue for a whole month after his arrest.
The terrorist monkey Commander Kul Bhushan Jadhav was caught red handed while he was on a terrorist mission in Pakistan. The terrorist Commander of Indian Navy was not running a cargo ship on land in Balochistan. Neither did he stray into wrong territory mistakenly. The idiotic claim that he owned a business was blown up by none other than his own father, his relatives, and his close friends before all these were ordered to disappear from public scene. No one in his close circle knew that the terrorist Hindu monkey had quit the IN years ago and was running a cargo business with asmall ship. On the hand, the terrorist Hindu Commander Monkey spilled all the beans real quick. His whole network was busted. Whatever information Iranians will provide will be easily verified because it was virtually too late for removing or cover his tracks by RAW or anyone else.
While the Hindu terrorist IN Commander Kul Bhushan Jadhav was running a vast terror network, he was still a foot soldier - like a real monkey that dances and performs on the streets at the commands of his master. Question is who the heck his master was. Well, Indian interior and defense ministers used to threaten Pakistan on regular basis. They used to threaten hitting the enemy (i.e. Pakistan) at the time, place, and scale of their own choice. BTW, these two filthy Hindus terrorists have been heard nowhere after the terrorist Hindu monkey was trapped. So the masters of the terrorist monkey were these two filthy Hindu cabinet ministers. Since a minister just follows the state policies as formulated by the cabinet, the two Hindu terrorist ministers were actually carrying out Indian state policies. So, the globally infamous and disgraced criminal Modi is the master of Hindu terrorist groups while Indian union cabinet is the terrorist body that runs the terrorist networks through RAW and other terrorist agencies. These degenerated animals used to hit Pakistani school children in their classrooms as the target of their cowardly terrorist attacks. Still some of these animals bark here that no one in world believes in what the captured Hindu terrorist monkey Commander Jadhav was doing in Pakistan. Well, the facts are not stories believed or disbelieved by others. Facts are used when the time requires so. When Indians cry next time and beg the world of being the victims of terrorism, these facts will be then used as mirror to show the ugly face of Hindu terrorists.

 

[HAIDER]

Blatant lies and fake stories shamelessly being spread by Indians are not going to work. While these stories seem to be spewed out for 'protecting' the terrorist Hindu monkey (I don't know whom these idiot Indians trying to fool around - ISI? cock!), the real purpose might be to hide the utter disappointment and shame on RAW's part for losing their chief field terrorist without a clue for a whole month after his arrest.
The terrorist monkey Commander Kul Bhushan Jadhav was caught red handed while he was on a terrorist mission in Pakistan. The terrorist Commander of Indian Navy was not running a cargo ship on land in Balochistan. Neither did he stray into wrong territory mistakenly. The idiotic claim that he owned a business was blown up by none other than his own father, his relatives, and his close friends before all these were ordered to disappear from public scene. No one in his close circle knew that the terrorist Hindu monkey had quit the IN years ago and was running a cargo business with asmall ship. On the hand, the terrorist Hindu Commander Monkey spilled all the beans real quick. His whole network was busted. Whatever information Iranians will provide will be easily verified because it was virtually too late for removing or cover his tracks by RAW or anyone else.
While the Hindu terrorist IN Commander Kul Bhushan Jadhav was running a vast terror network, he was still a foot soldier - like a real monkey that dances and performs on the streets at the commands of his master. Question is who the heck his master was. Well, Indian interior and defense ministers used to threaten Pakistan on regular basis. They used to threaten hitting the enemy (i.e. Pakistan) at the time, place, and scale of their own choice. BTW, these two filthy Hindus terrorists have been heard nowhere after the terrorist Hindu monkey was trapped. So the masters of the terrorist monkey were these two filthy Hindu cabinet ministers. Since a minister just follows the state policies as formulated by the cabinet, the two Hindu terrorist ministers were actually carrying out Indian state policies. So, the globally infamous and disgraced criminal Modi is the master of Hindu terrorist groups while Indian union cabinet is the terrorist body that runs the terrorist networks through RAW and other terrorist agencies. These degenerated animals used to hit Pakistani school children in their classrooms as the target of their cowardly terrorist attacks. Still some of these animals bark here that no one in world believes in what the captured Hindu terrorist monkey Commander Jadhav was doing in Pakistan. Well, the facts are not stories believed or disbelieved by others. Facts are used when the time requires so. When Indians cry next time and beg the world of being the victims of terrorism, these facts will be then used as mirror to show the ugly face of Hindu terrorists.

Well, Indian govt pressing Modi to use his personal source to convince Nawaz to release the monkey, but monkey is not in reach of Nawaz....and Indian are not realizing this fact ..

 

[kasper95]

Well, Indian govt pressing Modi to use his personal source to convince Nawaz to release the monkey, but monkey is not in reach of Nawaz....and Indian are not realizing this fact ..

when did this happen ,modi ,nawaz . god knows who is being made monkey out of. give it few years like other things in the past ,I hope it dsnt turn embarrassing to Pakistan

 

[somebozo]

Well, Indian govt pressing Modi to use his personal source to convince Nawaz to release the monkey, but monkey is not in reach of Nawaz....and Indian are not realizing this fact ..

Nawaz will commit political suicide like he did at the time of Kargil if he personally intervened in the monkey business..and this time there will be no exile to Arabia..rather directly to the gallows..

 

[SQ8]

Iran is cooperating with our intelligence services, they appreciate the gravity of this situation and its consequences for both countries which not only share a border, common threats and almost a dozen bilateral agreements and memberships of multinational groups. RAW poses a grave national security threat to Iran as its support for insurgents in Balochistan is going to extend into Iranian Balochistan too. That said the Iranians so far say that they didn't know about the RAW cell operating in Chahbahar, which can be true given the elaborate nature of cover Indian Govt was willing to pay for to maintain.

ISI has also alerted them with information pertaining to a pending rescue operation to be conducted by this individual in Indian embassy in Tehran whom the ISI has dually identified as RAW station chief. He's trying to mop up the RAW network in Chahbahar so no further damage will come to Iranian trust of India. Chinese Intelligence is very much involved in this too, they are very keen on the outcome of this investigation.

@Serpentine @Oscar @Icarus @Irfan Baloch @Hyperion

I doubt the Iranians will have much effectiveness in curtailing any rollback of operations. Its already too late since the alarm has been raised too publicly and too early for any actual effort to have success.In my opinion I would expect the Iranians to come back to us "empty handed" and the Indians using that as diplomatic leverage.

 

[raptor22]

Not really, we would have eventually lost anyways, how in God's name could we continue to supply troops all the way in Bangladesh? It wasn't possible. Also, India and Bangladesh still suffered higher casualties.

Not to mention that was 40 years ago, and only 1/4 wars. We won the other 3.



Gain quick air superiority (not too tough with our more advanced, better trained and larger Air Force), then bomb Iran a fair number of times, use our troops to gain small amounts of territory in Iranian Baluchistan (but we won't go too deep because we saw how that went for Iraq) and then we can let the Arabs and NATO do the rest. Simple really.

Buddy calm down there is no reason for Iran Pakistan war actually it's the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life .. moreover Americans and israielis have changed their minds several times when it comes to war with Iran , while they enjoy the most sophisticated and advance weaponry ....and you brought up a good example , Saddam thought the same way you think that he could defeat Iran in 3 days but at the end of war after 8 years bloodshed for two nations he handed Iran a letter and accepted all Iran requests ...

 

[Kompromat]

Oh no, Kulbhushan Jadhev was reportedly "blown" in 2006, he was effectively/passively working for ISI because his informants in Pakistan were infiltrated, even the men he sent to India for training from RAW included ISI operatives, in other words...we know the whole chain of command of this operation as well as its modes operandi. He was arrested a few months before he was released to the public, which i guess was to make up for what you are pointing out to.

I doubt the Iranians will have much effectiveness in curtailing any rollback of operations. Its already too late since the alarm has been raised too publicly and too early for any actual effort to have success.In my opinion I would expect the Iranians to come back to us "empty handed" and the Indians using that as diplomatic leverage.

 

[Spectre]

Oh no, Kulbhushan Jadhev was reportedly "blown" in 2006, he was effectively/passively working for ISI because his informants in Pakistan were infiltrated, even the men he sent to India for training from RAW included ISI operatives, in other words...we know the whole chain of command of this operation as well as its modes operandi. He was arrested a few months before he was released to the public, which i guess was to make up for what you are pointing out to.

Difficult to believe.

1. Hypothetically if he were an operative and If he arrested few months before then obviously Indian agencies were aware of it as operatives need to check in at pre-determined times. Any doubts would have lead to lock down and amputation of his wing so that it doesnt infect the other operations.

2. Again if he were an operative with his cover blown since '06 then why the continuous allegations by Pakistan of Indian subversion post '06. Curiously all the major acts of terrorism and killing of civilians and uniformed personnel gained steam from '07. What you are saying directly contradicts reality or he was a triple agent taking ISI for a merry ride for 8 years. I don't believe any agency in the world would be so incompetent so you better re-check your facts.
Everything said with due respect of-course if you find my questions uncomfortable

@Oscar

 

[Kompromat]

Because ISI turned him into a 'triple bluff'.

Difficult to believe.

1. Hypothetically if he were an operative and If he arrested few months before then obviously Indian agencies were aware of it as operatives need to check in at pre-determined times. Any doubts would have lead to lock down and amputation of his wing so that it doesnt infect the other operations.

2. Again if he were an operative with his cover blown since '06 then why the continuous allegations by Pakistan of Indian subversion post '06. Curiously all the major acts of terrorism and killing of civilians and uniformed personnel gained steam from '07. What you are saying directly contradicts reality or he was a triple agent taking ISI for a merry ride for 8 years. I don't believe any agency in the world would be so incompetent so you better re-check your facts.
Everything said with due respect of-course if you find my questions uncomfortable

@Oscar

 

[Spectre]

Because ISI turned him into a 'triple bluff'.

Look mate, you can have one of two things

1. ISI turned Bhushan in '06 or he got fed faulty data -> RAW operations compromised -> Infiltration of RAW -.> RAW not responsible for subversion inside Pakistan since '06

2. Bhushan and by extension RAW fooled ISI -> ISI getting faulty data -> RAW responsible for increased terror inside Pakistan since '06.

The only two scenarios left

1. ISI was allowing Indian subversion despite knowing of them for 8/9 years and thousands of dead. This would make ISI traitors and responsible for those deaths.

2. RAW was not conducting terrorist activities or acts of subversion in Pakista

Disclaimer - Again all discussions are in realms of speculation

 

[Kompromat]

Despite breaking the enigma the British let the Nazis attack them at will in some areas which didn't have a decisive effect on the outcome of the war. Intel craft is a complex and messy business, there is no end game here, just means to an end.

Look mate, you can have one of two things

1. ISI turned Bhushan in '06 or he got fed faulty data -> RAW operations compromised -> Infiltration of RAW -.> RAW not responsible for subversion inside Pakistan since '06

2. Bhushan and by extension RAW fooled ISI -> ISI getting faulty data -> RAW responsible for increased terror inside Pakistan since '06.

The only two scenarios left

1. ISI was allowing Indian subversion despite knowing of them for 8/9 years and thousands of dead. This would make ISI traitors and responsible for those deaths.

2. RAW was not conducting terrorist activities or acts of subversion in Pakista

Disclaimer - Again all discussions are in realms of speculation

 

[Spectre]

Despite breaking the enigma the British let the Nazis attack them at will in some areas which didn't have a decisive effect on the outcome of the war. Intel craft is a complex and messy business, there is no end game here, just means to an end.

I knew you would come back with Enigma and Coventry! What happened b/w '06 and '16

- Pakistan economy in shambles
- Thousands dead.
- Gap b/w India and Pakistan greater in all spheres.

Coventry lead to tangible gains which resulted in defeat of Axis powers. What gains have been made from arrest of Mr. Yadav? May be time would prove you right and may be ISI has some diabolical ace up it's sleeve but until proven I will remain sceptical.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Buddy calm down there is no reason for Iran Pakistan war actually it's the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life .. moreover Americans and israielis have changed their minds several times when it comes to war with Iran , while they enjoy the most sophisticated and advance weaponry ....and you brought up a good example , Saddam thought the same way you think that he could defeat Iran in 3 days but at the end of war after 8 years bloodshed for two nations he handed Iran a letter and accepted all Iran requests ...

While there is no need to fight with Iran but Pakistan should act in similar manner as Iran has been, watching own interests. Iran's policies are pro India, pro Northern alliance and I can quote many examples. Iran does not look out for Pakistan so Pakistanis should understand that. The Arab Iran tussle is in the hearts of Iranians and since Pakistan has reasonably good relations with ME save a few countries, Iran justifies that to work indirectly against Pakistan. Iran sees Gwadar as a threat to the great plans they have for Chah Bahar port. Iran competes with Pakistan instead of cooperating like good friends. Pakistan should maintain a cordial relationship with Iran and maintain the relationship on mutual respect and interests.

 

[Kompromat]

You can be all skeptical you want or need.

I knew you would come back with Enigma and Coventry! What happened b/w '06 and '16

- Pakistan economy in shambles
- Thousands dead.
- Gap b/w India and Pakistan greater in all spheres.

Coventry lead to tangible gains which resulted in defeat of Axis powers. What gains have been made from arrest of Mr. Yadav? May be time would prove you right and may be ISI has some diabolical ace up it's sleeve but until proven I will remain sceptical.