Vayu Calls JF17- A Game Changer.

[karan.1970]

both r from different classes mk1 is heavy weight with a huge rcs while jf 17 is a light weight fighter u cant compare them but jf 17 have a great edge over mk1 due to its lower rcs

how and why? Remember you are operating in an AWACS environment...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

how and why? Remember you are operating in an AWACS environment...

Tht goes for both sides... even than it will be more difficult to track a light fighter with a much smaller rcs than a twin enjined jet with a massive rcs.

 

[karan.1970]

Tht goes for both sides... even than it will be more difficult to track a light fighter with a much smaller rcs than a twin enjined jet with a massive rcs.

Yes, for both sides.. With heavy AWACS and MKI (remember Su 30 MKI can function as a mini AWACS in itself) coverage thru active radar, the low RCS factor will no longer play a big role.. A plane like JF17 will be painted much before any of its targets are in a BVR range..

 

[INDTAM]

Tht goes for both sides... even than it will be more difficult to track a light fighter with a much smaller rcs than a twin enjined jet with a massive rcs.

So IAF are fools to go for them.
its their bread and butter you think they wouldn't have thought about all this!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So IAF are fools to go for them.
its their bread and butter you think they wouldn't have thought about all this!

SU-30 is a heavy class fighter n JF-17 is a light/medium multi role... but to say tht su-30 is undefeatable is just BS.

 

[INDTAM]

SU-30 is a heavy class fighter n JF-17 is a light/medium multi role... but to say tht su-30 is undefeatabel is just BS.

maybe but not by Thunder please.
Don't you think its too high for you to compare them!

 

[graphican]

Economic aspects don't count if there is difference in performance and capability. For example you get a cellfone for Rs. 15,000 and you also get a cellfone for 80,000.. but when needed you still buy 80,000 one because you know you are paying for features, qualities and a different class of cellfone which is not available otherwise. However if you get all features and qualities which 80,000 cellfone offers for just 15,000 then this is what you call a game changer. Otherwise both will keep existing in their respective class and no one could interfere "the game" of other cellfone.

But JF-17 is also going to give china a new dimension in aerospace and defence Industry. Lets not overlook the global leverage which china would now have and which was previously available to US and Russia only and this aspect is also a game-changer.

 

[karan.1970]

SU-30 is a heavy class fighter n JF-17 is a light/medium multi role... but to say tht su-30 is undefeatabel is just BS.

That I agree to 100%.. No machine is unbeatable...

 

[INDTAM]

Economic aspects don't count if there is difference in performance and capability. For example you get a cellfone for Rs. 15,000 and you also get a cellfone for 80,000.. but when needed you still buy 80,000 one because you know you are paying for features, qualities and a different class of cellfone which is not available otherwise. However if you get all features and qualities which 80,000 cellfone offers for just 15,000 then this is what you call a game changer. Otherwise both will keep existing in their respective class.

But JF-17 is also going to give china a new dimension in aerospace and defence Industry. Lets not overlook the global leverage which china would now have and which was previously available to US and Russia only and this aspect is also a game-changer.

If Rs.15,000 can give Rs.80,000's feature then it will no longer be Rs.15,000!

 

[Qasibr]

So IAF are fools to go for them.
its their bread and butter you think they wouldn't have thought about all this!

That is a very weak argument, there is no logically sound reasoning provided at all.

All aircraft are trade-offs, SU-30 is a heavy aircraft that provides the large fuel storage capacity needed to cover India's large landmass. But that does come at the cost of increasing it's radar cross-section significantly. Though the MiG-29 has a similar shape, it is much smaller than the SU-27 family, and hence provides lesser range and RCS. You cannot assume that "MKI" is some deadly little bird that no-one else can ever beat. Even Africans have had SU-30s and MiG-29s battling it out with mercenary/hired VVS pilots on both sides.

The JF-17 carries the latest modernization of the SD-10 family, known as the SD-10B, it has been considered a rough equal to AIM-120C5(slightly older AMRAAM) even by western sources. And China has been investing alot in this sector, and since SD-10B is it's main active-radar missile(on the J-10, J-20, J-11 as well), this missile would likely see alot of development and improvements in the future as well. So, an SU-30 would not have a walk in the park with this on it's tail, the large RCS would make it difficult to shake the missile off, as the aircraft's RCS would be relatively easy to detect.

 

[INDTAM]

That is a very weak argument, there is no logically sound reasoning provided at all.

All aircraft are trade-offs, SU-30 is a heavy aircraft that provides the large fuel storage capacity needed to cover India's large landmass. But that does come at the cost of increasing it's radar cross-section significantly. Though the MiG-29 has a similar shape, it is much smaller than the SU-27 family, and hence provides lesser range and RCS. You cannot assume that "MKI" is some deadly little bird that no-one else can ever beat. Even Africans have had SU-30s and MiG-29s battling it out with mercenary/hired VVS pilots on both sides.

The JF-17 carries the latest modernization of the SD-10 family, known as the SD-10B, it has been considered a rough equal to AIM-120C5(slightly older AMRAAM) even by western sources. And China has been investing alot in this sector, and since SD-10B is it's main active-radar missile(on the J-10, J-20, J-11 as well), this missile would likely see alot of development and improvements in the future as well. So, an SU-30 would not have a walk in the park with this on it's tail, the large RCS would make it difficult to shake the missile off, as the aircraft's RCS would be relatively easy to detect.

read this from Karan

Yes, for both sides.. With heavy AWACS and MKI (remember Su 30 MKI can function as a mini AWACS in itself) coverage thru active radar, the low RCS factor will no longer play a big role.. A plane like JF17 will be painted much before any of its targets are in a BVR range..

your doubting IAF's decision!!
even now they haven't gone for gripen if small was good

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

read this from Karan

Yes, for both sides.. With heavy AWACS and MKI (remember Su 30 MKI can function as a mini AWACS in itself) coverage thru active radar, the low RCS factor will no longer play a big role.. A plane like JF17 will be painted much before any of its targets are in a BVR range..

your doubting IAF's decision!!
even now they haven't gone for gripen if small was good

And do you think JF-17 wouldnt have a radar (an AESA for BLK-II) and an AWACS?

 

[karan.1970]

And do you think JF-17 wouldnt have a radar (an AESA for BLK-II) and an AWACS?

Obviously it will.. With such extensive Radar coverage, any advantage that JF17's low RCS had would be quickly degraded, if not negated ..

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Obviously it will.. With such extensive Radar coverage, any advantage that JF17's low RCS had would be quickly degraded, if not negated ..

True but dnt u think tht due to its small rcs it would be just a lil bit difficult to track in comparision to the massive rcs of su-30?

 

[INDTAM]

True but dnt u think tht due to its small rcs it would be just a lil bit difficult to track in comparision to the massive rcs of su-30?

nope technology is far improved to detect everything
sorry to wake you up