USA---India---Israel---Iran---Kashmir---:---

[Goenitz]

@MastanKhan
choray sir.. es bhia ki baat sunay...

 

[Novice09]

Hi,

If the situation went hostile on iran pak border and it came down 200 k troops---Then it won't come down to it---.

There will be no three front war---only one front with india---. Iran would face the ' final solution ' before it came down to that---.

There would be no one shedding tears for iran---.

I don't think that anyone wants a war... I would not be surprised if LOC becomes IB... you never know... what the higher ups are planning...

Response from Pakistan is not as per my belief...

 

[SQ8]

I don't think that anyone wants a war... I would not be surprised if LOC becomes IB... you never know... what the higher ups are planning...

It was proposed with a bilateral withdrawal from both Kashmir and Siachen. Almost happened too if not for the hawks on both sides

 

[mqur1963]

I think Pakistan need an aggressive FM not week FM LIKE Mr. Qureshi.
why be afraid when you have over 150 nukes in your stock .
370 was planed and poor IK have to deal with all this. I PRAY he succeed. And make us proud .AMEEN

 

[MastanKhan]

How can you forget --- HONGKONG ---

My thinking process is different...

India and Israel were working hard to DEMOLISH the PAKISTANI ECONOMY... Things were going on AS PER PLAN... SUDDENLY, IK visits US... and things changed... Time was running out...

USA busy with IRAN...
CHINA busy with HONGKONG...

INDIA scraps 370... Pakistan... Surprised...

As you taught --- Price of success is always high... but price of cowardice is higher...---

Hi,

Very interesting---I would not disagree with your line of thought---except that strike on the 26th---pak reaction on the 27th and US in a rush installs Thaad system in israel---.

But then what is the US CBG doing here in front of us---?

And off course it is all about the economy---.

Pakistanis never had the brains to realize that they only had one source for a better economy---150 K all pre paid troops to GCC---.

That was the only economic move that india could not control---other than that---they can sabotage every move for a better economy for pakistan and make it fail and let it fall on its face---.

If a nation cannot use its most needed and prized commodity---then it is doomed for failure---.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hi,

Did Obama know what was coming to the region a few years ago---. Possibly yes---.

That was the very reason Pak military was asked to put is feet down in GCC to settle resolve counter yemen crisis.

Kashmir 370 was not obvious at all at that time---. But what was obvious was that if pak military had around 150 K troops just stationed in the region along with a separate air force and naval group that it was in charge of---the power positioning of the region would be totally different---.

Indian aggression would be contained on one side---iranian proxies contained on the other side---. Pakistan will have all its military force intact in pakistan---plus a special quick deployment fully equipped strike force in GCC---.

Technically pakistan had no problem fulfilling this need---. But tactically countries like india and iran were have serious moments of concern---because that would be a life changing foreign policy changing military policy changing even for those two countries---.

Form a nobody---pakistan would be becoming an economic power house and a military power of the region---the effects of that could be far reaching in the middle east power brokers---.

So---both these countries moved into sabotaging this event---the iranians turned to shia population in pakistan and the indians turned to their indian turn coats in pakistan---and Gen Raheel Shareef chose to stay the fool that he was---.

Why would a general say no to such an offer for him to build up a military ( army navy air forc ) of 150 + K troops with all equipment paid for by the GCC---.

Ask yourself---if iran had no intention of attacking the GCC---why would it be bothered by pakistan having a military force in the GCC---and there was never an intent by pakistan to ever attack india---.

So the drama that started with the yemen crisis and saw pak military faltering in between---the powers to be in india and iran saw a coming problem to be resolved by shoving a wedge in Pak GCC relations---.

When the 27th feb strike happened a strange incidence took place---america rushed in to install Thaad anti missile system in israel---. I was not upto date on the what was india doing about kashmir and what statements it was making---but I realized that something was up in the making---.

Then for no reason---hostilities increased between iran and america---UK captures an iranian oil ship close to spain---the US carrier group had already moved into the region---and then iran takes UK ships as hostage in the gulf---.

The american tour of IK to US received a very strange and welcome reception in the white house and parliament---and I could not fathom that either---but I realized that I was missing something somewhere---.

So---what was hazy and foggy---suddenly became clear once the india govt cancelled 370 and I realized---this deceit had much deeper roots than was obvious---.

This was a ploy and the game was played by india---USA---UK---Iran---israel---two birds pakistan and china were being dropped in one stone---.

@Irfan Baloch @Khafee @Dubious @war&peace @Mangus Ortus Novem et all

I am sorry if I hurt your feelings with my coming words.
With such threads, I get a feeling of how weak we are. We look at Iran, China, Afghanistan Saudia to act on our behalf. But where is our own power? Do we know what exactly a power is? And what steps did we take to build our own power? Are people of Pakistan happy? I say control and stability is the power.
I say, dear world, whatever you say or do, if Pakistan wants to do thing A, we will do it, no matter what. And we are damn ready to handle you, so be careful what you do against us.
So Iran or no Iran, doesn't matter. If we want to take Kashmir, we will do it. No matter what. And I know, how to do it.
@Imran Khan @RealNapster @MUSTAKSHAF @Major Sam @Brass Knuckles

 

[B.K.N]

I get a feeling of how weak we are. We look at Iran, China, Afghanistan Saudia to act on our behalf.

But Pakistan army has never this that we need any outsider help Pakistani generals has always said we want to give peace a chance etc
Pak army captured kargil without any foreign help invaded Indian kashmKa in 1965 without any help from anyone

 

[fitpOsitive]

But Pakistan army has never this that we need any outsider help Pakistani generals has always said we want to give peace a chance etc
Pak army captured kargil without any foreign help invaded Indian kashmKa in 1965 without any help from anyone

Army are professionals, and professionals never say things like that due professional ethics. But we, the people and politicians of Pakistan.....
This forum is the witness.

 

[B.K.N]

Army are professionals, and professionals never say things like that due professional ethics. But we, the people and politicians of Pakistan.....
This forum is the witness.

PDF members are not government Pakistani government has never begged for anyone's help

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hi,

If the situation went hostile on iran pak border and it came down 200 k troops---Then it won't come down to it---.

There will be no three front war---only one front with india---. Iran would face the ' final solution ' before it came down to that---.

There would be no one shedding tears for iran---.

Bhai Jan two things.
1) I sense more support from Iran on Kashmir issue than Saudia. So Iran is our brother country. Specially when they have realised how reliable India is.
2) Howsoever, Pakistan or India, uses atomic bomb, will be bombed by rest of the world, for killing and affecting rest of the world. So, using the bomb, will be a suicide.

 

[War Thunder]

Hi,

Did Obama know what was coming to the region a few years ago---. Possibly yes---.

That was the very reason Pak military was asked to put is feet down in GCC to settle resolve counter yemen crisis.

Kashmir 370 was not obvious at all at that time---. But what was obvious was that if pak military had around 150 K troops just stationed in the region along with a separate air force and naval group that it was in charge of---the power positioning of the region would be totally different---.

Indian aggression would be contained on one side---iranian proxies contained on the other side---. Pakistan will have all its military force intact in pakistan---plus a special quick deployment fully equipped strike force in GCC---.

Technically pakistan had no problem fulfilling this need---. But tactically countries like india and iran were have serious moments of concern---because that would be a life changing foreign policy changing military policy changing even for those two countries---.

Form a nobody---pakistan would be becoming an economic power house and a military power of the region---the effects of that could be far reaching in the middle east power brokers---.

So---both these countries moved into sabotaging this event---the iranians turned to shia population in pakistan and the indians turned to their indian turn coats in pakistan---and Gen Raheel Shareef chose to stay the fool that he was---.

Why would a general say no to such an offer for him to build up a military ( army navy air forc ) of 150 + K troops with all equipment paid for by the GCC---.

Ask yourself---if iran had no intention of attacking the GCC---why would it be bothered by pakistan having a military force in the GCC---and there was never an intent by pakistan to ever attack india---.

So the drama that started with the yemen crisis and saw pak military faltering in between---the powers to be in india and iran saw a coming problem to be resolved by shoving a wedge in Pak GCC relations---.

When the 27th feb strike happened a strange incidence took place---america rushed in to install Thaad anti missile system in israel---. I was not upto date on the what was india doing about kashmir and what statements it was making---but I realized that something was up in the making---.

Then for no reason---hostilities increased between iran and america---UK captures an iranian oil ship close to spain---the US carrier group had already moved into the region---and then iran takes UK ships as hostage in the gulf---.

The american tour of IK to US received a very strange and welcome reception in the white house and parliament---and I could not fathom that either---but I realized that I was missing something somewhere---.

So---what was hazy and foggy---suddenly became clear once the india govt cancelled 370 and I realized---this deceit had much deeper roots than was obvious---.

This was a ploy and the game was played by india---USA---UK---Iran---israel---two birds pakistan and china were being dropped in one stone---.

@Irfan Baloch @Khafee @Dubious @war&peace @Mangus Ortus Novem et all

So we should have taken the side of the oppressor? Bombed children in the school and injured in the hospital? Rain misery and death from the sky and kill fathers and sons on the ground? Just to get that so called power positioning and Arab Favor?

I'm sorry but that's completely flawed understanding of the geo politics of the region as well as a lack of faith and understanding of the Power up above the heavens who controls outcomes of "EVERYTHING".

Grand mother Zion is out there to expand, to become big and your country is one of the thorns in its way. She has been trying to pull you into wars to weaken you. To create mistrust between the public and the Armed forces just like she has been doing in every other state. How will your armed forces be seen if they were in the news for bombing a school or hospital every other day?

If you think the GCC makes their own policies and are not dancing on the tunes of their masters in Tel Aviv, then you are lacking on the understanding of things. And every one is who is living in ignorance and away from their Creator because true intellect can only come from the Creator. Without, people can only assume and push out flawed logic and live an enjoyment of absolute misery.

What of the below is so hard to understand? "O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide people who are unjust. (Quran 5:51)"

Who is friend and ally of the GCC? And who has bases and protection for their regimes?
I will rather have my country fight against the entire world on its own instead of going in a military expedition with those who the Prophet (S.A.W) warned us against.

 

[mohsen]

A crazy thread out of a crazy mind, nothing more.

But if I want to play in your game, I have some more dots (related to Iran) for you:
1. While Pakistan was scrapping his deals with Iran (Citing U.S sanctions), India was making deals with Iran.

2. When U.S/Israel/Wahhabis started massacring Syrians and destroying Shiah shrines, Pakistan decided to look at it through a sectarian eye and said would take neither side.

3. When Saudis started killing Yemeni people (because Yemenis didn't want to be ruled by a U.S puppet anymore), Pakistan said we are neutral again, while in fact his general was leading that war. In fact Pakistan looked at this matter through a sectarian eye again and didn't care about massacring civilians by Saudis.

4.Pakistan leaved it's border with Iran with no guard, so the anti Iranian terrorist groups could freely attack Iranian border guards, as the result, tens of Iranian border guards were martyred by Pakistani based terrorists to the extend that Iranian generals were made sure Pakistan is doing it deliberately by Saudis request.

5.Pakistan leaned on Saudi investments, while the same Saudis invested two times more in India.

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P.S.
Iran isn't like Pakistan, from government officials to Friday preachers, all condemned India's policy in Kashmir.

 

[MastanKhan]

Bhai Jan two things.
1) I sense more support from Iran on Kashmir issue than Saudia. So Iran is our brother country. Specially when they have realised how reliable India is.
2) Howsoever, Pakistan or India, uses atomic bomb, will be bombed by rest of the world, for killing and affecting rest of the world. So, using the bomb, will be a suicide.

Hi,

You don't get it---iran's support does not mean anything---.

Iran's support is a death sentence---.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hi,

You don't get it---iran's support does not mean anything---.

Iran's support is a death sentence---.

Can't get it sir.

 

[MastanKhan]

Can't get it sir.

Ji,

Let me speak english---. Iran's support has no value in this world---.