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Ji,

Let me speak english---. Iran's support has no value in this world---.
But for us, everything is valuable. See, in this time, I see only Iran, Taliban clearly standing with us. Rest are just standing. I still trust Iran and Taliban.
So let's agree to disagree. I know I can't convince you.
 
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Hi,

You don't get it---iran's support does not mean anything---.

Iran's support is a death sentence---.



Death sentence by whom?

Your earthly masters in Langley and Tel Aviv or from your Lord up above the Heavens?

Things people do and say when the fear of men overcomes the fear of their Creator and they are left but at the mercy of the miscreants on the Earth...
 
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Hi,

Did Obama know what was coming to the region a few years ago---. Possibly yes---.

That was the very reason Pak military was asked to put is feet down in GCC to settle resolve counter yemen crisis.

Kashmir 370 was not obvious at all at that time---. But what was obvious was that if pak military had around 150 K troops just stationed in the region along with a separate air force and naval group that it was in charge of---the power positioning of the region would be totally different---.

Indian aggression would be contained on one side---iranian proxies contained on the other side---. Pakistan will have all its military force intact in pakistan---plus a special quick deployment fully equipped strike force in GCC---.

Technically pakistan had no problem fulfilling this need---. But tactically countries like india and iran were have serious moments of concern---because that would be a life changing foreign policy changing military policy changing even for those two countries---.

Form a nobody---pakistan would be becoming an economic power house and a military power of the region---the effects of that could be far reaching in the middle east power brokers---.

So---both these countries moved into sabotaging this event---the iranians turned to shia population in pakistan and the indians turned to their indian turn coats in pakistan---and Gen Raheel Shareef chose to stay the fool that he was---.

Why would a general say no to such an offer for him to build up a military ( army navy air forc ) of 150 + K troops with all equipment paid for by the GCC---.

Ask yourself---if iran had no intention of attacking the GCC---why would it be bothered by pakistan having a military force in the GCC---and there was never an intent by pakistan to ever attack india---.

So the drama that started with the yemen crisis and saw pak military faltering in between---the powers to be in india and iran saw a coming problem to be resolved by shoving a wedge in Pak GCC relations---.

When the 27th feb strike happened a strange incidence took place---america rushed in to install Thaad anti missile system in israel---. I was not upto date on the what was india doing about kashmir and what statements it was making---but I realized that something was up in the making---.

Then for no reason---hostilities increased between iran and america---UK captures an iranian oil ship close to spain---the US carrier group had already moved into the region---and then iran takes UK ships as hostage in the gulf---.

The american tour of IK to US received a very strange and welcome reception in the white house and parliament---and I could not fathom that either---but I realized that I was missing something somewhere---.

So---what was hazy and foggy---suddenly became clear once the india govt cancelled 370 and I realized---this deceit had much deeper roots than was obvious---.

This was a ploy and the game was played by india---USA---UK---Iran---israel---two birds pakistan and china were being dropped in one stone---.

@Irfan Baloch @Khafee @Dubious @war&peace @Mangus Ortus Novem et all
Sometimes your theories stab randomly in the dark (hint: "everything is PAF's fault").

This is not one of those times - much of what you posted seems true or at least plausible.

But even if what you say is true, you are making many assumptions regarding the sequence of events. Most importantly, there was no guarantee that GCC would intervene favourably for us against India. They wouldn't just turn against their major business partner and source of Labour, skilled and unskilled. They've long gone full Bollywood. They're giving civilian awards to Modi and you think they would lift a finger to help us??

No. It is clear that Pakistan must fight alone against the beast. Note that Pakistan alone fights for reasons higher than reward, interests or status. Pakistan fights stubbornly for the moral cause. Why would mercenaries and businessmen aid us when India will always give them a better deal?? The moral element of Pakistan's struggle against India adds ZERO value when we ask GCC for help. India deals better with GCC than us.

We could send a hundred thousand soldiers to GCC, to no avail. India has already bought them out.

You're certainly right that we made many mistakes dealing with GCC countries but these have built up over time, not just the Yemen issue. As such, whatever we did to intervene in Yemen wouldn't have made a difference. Pakistan always made the false assumption that our Islamic roots gave us some intangible additional leverage with GCC. Perhaps the last time this was true was when king Faisal was around. We all know what happened to him. India meanwhile made no such assumptions and simply dealt with them in business terms. They had to give GCC something in return for something - no intangibles like "morality" or "ummah chummah"..
 
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Most importantly, there was no guarantee that GCC would intervene favourably for us against India.
He isn't talking about millitry help they themselves requested pak army to fight in Yemen then how can they fight for Pakistan and population is the only resource Pakistan have and they asked Pakistan for skilled soldiers who would fight Arab's war in Yemen for money
Stronger economy means stronger military
 
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He isn't talking about millitry they themselves requested pak army to fight in Yemen then how can they fight for Pakistan and population is the only resource Pakistan have and they asked Pakistan for skilled soldiers who woiwo fight Arab's war in Yemen for money
Stronger economy means stronger military[/QUOT

Wouldn't have made a difference to the present Kashmir situation. GCC made its bed.

GCC made its bed already.
 
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GCC made its bed already
Pakistan don't needs anyone's military help Pakistan is 6th largest country by population and have it only needs weopons and he is talking about weapons Arabs would pay for weapons and pakistan would use those weapons against India
If you can work in UK then why Pakistani soldiers can't work in Yemen it's same thing just work in Yemen is more dangerous for Pakistani workers but more beneficial for Pakistan
 
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Pakistan don't needs anyone's military help Pakistan is 6th largest country by population and have it only needs weopons and he is talking about weapons Arabs would pay for weapons and pakistan would use those weapons against India
If you can work in UK then why Pakistani soldiers can't work in Yemen it's same thing just work in Yemen is more dangerous for Pakistani workers but more beneficial for Pakistan
I get what you're saying completely...weapons are useful. But GCC doesn't make weapons. USA will stop them from selling the really useful stuff on to us. We're hardly about to get patriots or f22s by being chums with GCC. In any case, all we really needed from GCC is for GCC to open up an economic front against bhaktistan. And that was never gonna happen.
 
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nope, he is not!

even mods here such as @Oscar know it, but for some reason -- perhaps to keep sectarian cohesion-- won't admit it now

ask him what he saw and heard when he attended a Shia Sayyad's funeral in Pakistan

or ask him to permit me to quote from Irani religious books

i do not know what to say except that Shias and Sunnis are both Muslims and brothers. and i do not care who say otherwise, neither should you, do not concern yourself for something that someone said only god will judge Muslims.
 
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Hi,

You don't get it---iran's support does not mean anything---.

Iran's support is a death sentence---.
Sir most won't agree to this but you're absolutely right. We have always suffered due to Iran. The shia segment of pakistan is really influential and it's because of them we couldn't take a proper stance with the GCC. Why should the 80% of Sunni Pak population suffer just so, that the other 20 wants to please their masters in Tehran. It was an opportunity missed and we are reaping the repercussions.
 
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Sir most won't agree to this but you're absolutely right. We have always suffered due to Iran. The shia segment of pakistan is really influential and it's because of them we couldn't take a proper stance with the GCC. Why should the 80% of Sunni Pak population suffer just so, that the other 20 wants to please their masters in Tehran. It was an opportunity missed and we are reaping the repercussions.

will if you are a Muslim then you should know that GCC countries are close friends of US and Israel and God said to Muslims do not take Jews and Christians as your friends do not fall to the same place that GCC countries fell and it dose not matter if you are Shia or Sunni.

not internet trolls but Irani scholars--past and present-- say "if we don't curse them (especially the first two)we become one of them"

curse who? Sunnis???
 
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are you allowed to send private messages? if yes, please PM me then I'll reply

was meant for a specific group, not a universal decree

no when God said do not take them as your friends he mean as an ally not any specific group of Jews and Christians and not at some specific time, it say do not let them be your masters one's who tell you what to do and what not to do do not depend on them one's who have power over you. Muslims can be friends with Jews and Christians but you can not let them be your masters as whole not as individuales, you can be friends with Jews and Christians individually as our prophet did lived with Jews and Christians and made trade deals with them too.
 
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nope, he is not!

even mods here such as @Oscar know it, but for some reason -- perhaps to keep sectarian cohesion-- won't admit it now

ask him what he saw and heard when he attended a Shia Sayyad's funeral in Pakistan

or ask him to permit me to quote from Irani religious books
My father told me
will if you are a Muslim then you should know that GCC countries are close friends of US and Israel and God said to Muslims do not take Jews and Christians as your friends do not fall to the same place that GCC countries fell and it dose not matter if you are Shia or Sunni.



curse who? Sunnis???
What we need right now is a better economy, a stronger army and world class services for our people. For that we need to take a side. Iran is a sinking boat and it's gonna capsize. No one said take Jews and Christian as friends. It's simple, expand trade, make our economy stronger and build an advanced technological army.
Jis ki lathi uski bhens.
 
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