US will not pay Pakistan for military reimbursements: Pentagon

[Majid Awan]

Its not about opening another front, it surely is not. You are more than happy to open another front in Kashmir. You are actually helping him survive and grow. PA passes information that helps him grow and survive.


India just wants to do business in Afghanistan, use their minerals for development. We are not a security state and not everything is around security.

Achaaaa . Note ,this forum is not for kids, Who have no idea about ground realitie ,and we know what India is exactly doing in Afghanistan so we don't need your suggestions

You want U.S. aid, do what we say.

Don't want the aid, say "no" and stop behaving like beggars.

Simple.

Read my post. Why do you guys get emotional and start writing nonsense. The point was, you, the people, should make sure that you have constant political stability to keep your country growing so you don't need anyone. You are self sufficient and you have a brand of a regional power. My post has nothing to do with the usual cry baby bullsh!t like "oh the 7th fleet didn't come", "oh the US treats India better than us".

Instead of singing these songs, get stronger yourself so everyone treats you right and you got own powerful brand.

Thats what Pakistan is doing,we lost more than what Uncle Sam gave us. It's time to play this game better than before and we will always put our interest before anything. You (America)should focus on make America great again which seems really difficult and stop asking Pakistan do more, and worry about ISIS. We will manage without American Aid. Thanks for your concern.

 

[Khanate]

I do not see a problem here. $50 million isn't a huge sum of money either for Pakistan or United States. This is a non-issue. Pakistan should focus on what is important: Khyber 4.

This is your issue, you guys want your country to still be run like it was back in 70-80's! This is 2017, wake up and give me relevant examples. Pakistan wasn't an extremist country, many actions taken internally by your military created that intense internal religion focused system, which was then supplemented by the Afghan drama.

Does that include walking away from Paris climate accord, as if we are living in the 70-80's?!

Jokes aside, its absurd to say that radicalisation occurs because the military of a nation whims it. Political and socio-ecnomic factors are the main drivers of radicalisation. The menace of radicalisation, regardless of religion or politics, is a global phenomena and isn't limited to Pakistan so you cannot explain it away in isolation. And since 9/11, most of the terror attacks in America have been carried out by American citizens. You certainly cannot blame us or Pakistan for your homegrown threats.

2) US Presidents having "some military background"and active service dictators running the country are two different things. How easily you forgot the difference and linked a democratically elected system with dictatorship that overwrites an entire nation's constitution.

No doubt there is a difference between elected leaders and dictators though to be fair Musharraf's term is often credited with bringing liberal forces back into power. And he did oversee the general election of 2002. This obviously breaks the narrative you are pushing.

3) Pakistan is a resilient nation, I am a big believer in that. But you have to maintain your political stability and let civilians run the country and produce results. 45 years of military regimes have destroyed your country a lot, add 15 years of force-failing the democratic systems in it too. The cost is just too much. What is getting built in Pakistan today, could've been built back in the 60's when you were helping the Saudis and the South Koreans in learning "how to grow your economy"! So as you can see, I know your nations talent very well and the history. I am just outlining the reasons why as a system you are nowhere near your potential and it will be the case till the system is military and leg-pulling free!

Thank you for those kind words but nation are not built in a short period of time. South Korea itself has faced several coup d'état. As far as Pakistan Armed Forces are concerned, they do not hail from Japan. They are Pakistani and they have a stake in Pakistan. You cannot take Pakistan Armed Forces out of Pakistan as much as you can take Pentagon, CIA, FBI, or U.S. Armed Forces out of United States.

 

[KAI KAI Baloch]

1) We are in 2017, the silly examples of Hitler and IRA don't apply. This is your issue, you guys want your country to still be run like it was back in 70-80's! This is 2017, wake up and give me relevant examples. Pakistan wasn't an extremist country, many actions taken internally by your military created that intense internal religion focused system, which was then supplemented by the Afghan drama.

2) US Presidents having "some military background"and active service dictators running the country are two different things. How easily you forgot the difference and linked a democratically elected system with dictatorship that overwrites an entire nation's constitution.

3) Pakistan is a resilient nation, I am a big believer in that. But you have to maintain your political stability and let civilians run the country and produce results. 45 years of military regimes have destroyed your country a lot, add 15 years of force-failing the democratic systems in it too. The cost is just too much. What is getting built in Pakistan today, could've been built back in the 60's when you were helping the Saudis and the South Koreans in learning "how to grow your economy"! So as you can see, I know your nations talent very well and the history. I am just outlining the reasons why as a system you are nowhere near your potential and it will be the case till the system is military and leg-pulling free!

If you don't have anything positive to say relevant to my comments, at the least don't write this stuff from 1930's and compare it with 2017, or dictatorships with democratic American presidents. Comparing Apples and Melons doesn't produce any relevance and actually shows me that your post is a childish response without a real argument or facts!

yes we are in 2017 and Pakistan is not the same as 2010-2015. we have the control over terrorists situation! So please again stop blabbering!
I dont understand you! for Germany and UK examples are old for you and you hide behind them and divert from extremist US gun killings and the example of India i just gave. So if UK controlled it and Pakistan is controlling it. why are you giving your speeches. It is because of your army that US is on shit. It has not going to be a world largest economy, your health care is going down, infra is going down the drain and why, because of the wars you have imposed and still you say that why the world hates you.
Secondly, about dictator you categorically mentioned "A warrior can't be an economist. You need civilian businessmen type of people for that, or people who come from a negotiation kind of a background." So that was in relation to that!!! but kudos to you........
Do you want me to post the video of Hilary clinton on who created al qaeda and taliban. Still you say Pakistan made them.
Buddy you have shit knowledge about Pakistan. i recommend that please dont advise us again on Pakistan. Look in you own country which has itself in shit...................

 

[Kao Boy]

“Our efforts have been met with success, and acknowledged by a number of countries, including the US. Various delegations, who came to Pakistan from US and other countries, have visited the affected areas, which we successfully cleansed from terrorism,”

Why US who spent millions on Intelligence Gathering cannot verify the claims made by Pakistan and why Pakistan cannot provide proof of the claims if has done everything to fight the terrorism?

Truth is Pakistan still think Afghanistan is a intelligence gathering hub for India and onlygroup which has strong hold in Afghan war lord are Haqqanis.

PS : Pakistan still follow the policy of Bad Terrorist and Good Terroris. However, Zarb e Azab was a good effort no doubt about it.

 

[Khanate]

Why US who spent millions on Intelligence Gathering cannot verify the claims made by Pakistan and why Pakistan cannot provide proof of the claims if has done everything to fight the terrorism?

Truth is Pakistan still think Afghanistan is a intelligence gathering hub for India and onlygroup which has strong hold in Afghan war lord are Haqqanis.

PS : Pakistan still follow the policy of Bad Terrorist and Good Terroris. However, Zarb e Azab was a good effort no doubt about it.

Bad propaganda, comrade.

Its like Kulbhushan Jadhav, Ehsanullah Ehsan, or Latif Ullah Mehsud were never caught and spoke a word about who is financing terror in Pakistan.

Your monkey loves to talk:

This one loves to sing too:

You get the idea:

As for good terrorist and bad terrorist, take it up with these guys:

• US Will Not Target Haqqanis in Afghanistan (Voice of America)
• Taliban Are Not Terrorists, or So Says the White House (ABC News)

 

[Kao Boy]

Bad propaganda, comrade.

Its like Kulbhushan Jadhav, Ehsanullah Ehsan, or Latif Ullah Mehsud were never caught and spoke a word about who is financing terror in Pakistan.

Your monkey loves to talk:

This one loves to sing too:

You get the idea:

As for good terrorist and bad terrorist, take it up with these guys:

• US Will Not Target Haqqanis in Afghanistan (Voice of America)
• Taliban Are Not Terrorists, or So Says the White House (ABC News)

Not a propaganda but just a view point. The VOA news which you have shared was published in 2016 and from US stand point the reason Haqqanis were not harm because of the severity of the threat they pose to Americans. Just in case you read the news to fast and missed something which is directly related to the topic we are discussing is :

"Nicholson reiterated those concerns in his testimony, saying the United States has not been satisfied that Pakistan has put enough pressure on the Haqqanis to prevent cross-border attacks"

 

[Khanate]

Not a propaganda but just a view point.

If your "point of view" isn't rooted in facts then its propaganda. The fact is India is financing terror in Pakistan.

The VOA news which you have shared was published in 2016 and from US stand point the reason Haqqanis were not harm because of the severity of the threat they pose to Americans. Just in case you read the news to fast and missed something which is directly related to the topic we are discussing is :

"Nicholson reiterated those concerns in his testimony, saying the United States has not been satisfied that Pakistan has put enough pressure on the Haqqanis to prevent cross-border attacks"

As of 2017, Waziristan has been cleared. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you can't fight a specific warlord, don't expect us to do it for you. Our soldiers are just as precious. Pakistan is focused on economic development. This rest is distraction.

 

[Solomon2]

Hopefully, you feel the same about Israel. -

The key difference as far as U.S. money is concerned is that Israel was not a major recipient of American military aid until some years AFTER U.S. analysts believed Israel acquired The Bomb, whereas in Pakistan's case U.S. military aid was actually conditioned on Pakistan not pursuing nuclear weapons.

So Pakistan violated America's trust, whereas Israel did not.

 

[Khanate]

The key difference as far as U.S. money is concerned is that Israel was not a major recipient of American military aid until some years AFTER U.S. analysts believed Israel acquired The Bomb, whereas in Pakistan's case U.S. military aid was actually conditioned on Pakistan not pursuing nuclear weapons.

Not true.

Israel is the top receipt of U.S. economic and military for the last 60 years. Pakistan isn't even in the top 10 when it comes to military assistance. What little military assistance we did receive was during the Cold War when USSR was in Afghanistan.

Here's the historical data on U.S. economic assistance:

Here's the historical data on U.S. military assistance (Note: Pakistan isn't even in the Top 10 while Israel tops the list):

Source: Dawn

So Pakistan violated America's trust, whereas Israel did not.

If you don't see Israel stealing weapons-grade uranium under America's nose from a processing plant in Pennsylvania as a violation of trust, a huge embarrassment for United States, then Pakistan's nuclear weapons program is a non-issue since we did no such thing to U.S. and the equipment we did buy on the open markets of Europe was legal at the time. Hence, no violation of trust ever occurred.

 

[Solomon2]

Not true. Israel is the top receipt of U.S. economic and military for the last 60 years -

Hello? Knock-knock? I wasn't talking "the last 60 years" but up to 1967 or 1973 or so.

 

[Khanate]

Hello? Knock-knock? I wasn't talking "the last 60 years" but up to 1967 or 1973 or so.

Irrelevant.

Knock-knock?

If you don't see Israel stealing weapons-grade uranium under America's nose from a processing plant in Pennsylvania as a violation of trust, a huge embarrassment for United States, then Pakistan's nuclear weapons program is a non-issue since we did no such thing to U.S. and the equipment we did buy on the open markets of Europe was legal at the time. Hence, no violation of trust ever occurred.​

 

[Solomon2]

If you don't see Israel stealing weapons-grade uranium under America's nose from a processing plant in Pennsylvania -

Check your sources. Is that story anything more than popular fiction? And even if it is, that's theft and not in the category of a quid-pro-quo trust.

 

[Khanate]

Check your sources. Is that story anything more than popular fiction? And even if it is, that's theft and not in the category of a quid-pro-quo trust.

A theft, or stealing, by definition constitutes violating trust. And there is no evidence to suggest that Carl Duckett, the deputy director of CIA, lied to the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission when he disclosed this incident. Here's the incident once again:

In fact, US involvement went deeper than mere silence. At a meeting in 1976 that has only recently become public knowledge, the CIA deputy director Carl Duckett informed a dozen officials from the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission that the agency suspected some of the fissile fuel in Israel's bombs was weapons-grade uranium stolen under America's nose from a processing plant in Pennsylvania.

Not only was an alarming amount of fissile material going missing at the company, Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (Numec), but it had been visited by a veritable who's-who of Israeli intelligence, including Rafael Eitan, described by the firm as an Israeli defence ministry "chemist", but, in fact, a top Mossad operative who went on to head Lakam.

"It was a shock. Everyody was open-mouthed," recalls Victor Gilinsky, who was one of the American nuclear officials briefed by Duckett. "It was one of the most glaring cases of diverted nuclear material but the consequences appeared so awful for the people involved and for the US than nobody really wanted to find out what was going on."

The investigation was shelved and no charges were made.​

And even if it is, that's theft and not in the category of a quid-pro-quo trust.

And Israel has also violated the trust in terms of quid-pro-quo by introducing nuclear weapons to Middle East first, something Golda Meir promised Richard Nixon Israel won't do. Pakistan, meanwhile, acted in defence to the presence of nuclear weapons in South Asia which were introduced by India first.

Again, as I stated earlier, Pakistan's military assistance, of what little we did receive was during Cold War and was largely due to our involvement with the U.S., or disengagement from the USSR, depending upon how one sees it. And the equipment we bought from Europe was legal at the time hence there was never any violation of trust. You really don't have an argument. You should correct your bias.

 

[wiseone2]

India just wants to use Afghanistan against Pakistan. You hate Pashtuns and everybody knows that. Americans already committing a genocide against them hence why resistance will always remain due to occupation.

Nobody in Pakistan wants Afghanistan to "burn" you idiot. They want a thriving and educated Afghanistan because its beneficial to both countries just like in the past. Also Pakistanis want the refugees to return in a respectful manner and rebuild their nation and Pakistani are more than willing to help.

That is why you support cave dwellers like the Taliban

because Haqqani is not a High school bully , he is a powerful lord, his network is spread across the Afghanistan and Pakistani Region, we are not opening another front .. Pakistan is already Fighting TTP,JUA , ISIS and BLA along with heated LoC .. Americans are not Liberators in Afghanistan they are seen as Invaders no matter what American say Afghans will never Follow a Gori chamri . its simply not in their DNA , Americans will stuck in Afghanistan and if the day ever comes when they leave they will blame Pakistan support One fraction of Taliban ( haqqani ) for his failures , US has a history of doing that ..

Osama Bin Laden was a powerful warlord. It took one bullet to blow his head off

 

[YeBeWarned]

Osama Bin Laden was a powerful warlord. It took one bullet to blow his head off

OBL Was not Afghan warlord , he was a fugitive / Terrorist ..
it take one bullet for any man .