US, UK, Russia, Poland, Turkey, Saudi Arabia are approaching PAF for experience

[Windjammer]

Turkey and USA have BVR kills too.

USA against Iraq and Turkey against a Russian attack aircraft.....is that in same equation as what PAF achieved.

Hi
Can you clarify the bold part please ?
Thanks,

I doubt every single jet is not deployed and some are kept in reserve.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I think u.s pilots are much ahead and better than our pilots,they may be coming here for intelligence gathering more than for training purpose

does they have their all BVR kills against superior enemy???, mostly against crippled air defense/third grade air forces

It is a known fact that Pakistan trains soldiers of Saudi Arabia and other GCC states. But training Russia, USA is a bit too much. Even UK trains its pilots with USA and won't come to Pakistan. This is really funny claim

Sharing the experience how do we get shot down SU-30 MKI

generally those who invent things always remain ahead of others,bvr and other such technology is invented by u.s and other western powers so they have much better understanding about how to use them with perfection than others due to in depth knowledge of how such system operates,u.s and russia fought world war 1 and 2 with much bigger powers in their history and have much better experience of war

In recent they have the experience to fight air war with each other Russia vs USA or USA vs China or vise versa???, tell me that

 

[LeGenD]

USA against Iraq and Turkey against a Russian attack aircraft.....is that in same equation as what PAF achieved.

WE had bought into Indian HYPE of Russian jets. PAF busted this Indian HYPE on 27-02-19 with battle tactics similar to that of USAF in the Persian Gulf War (1991). But this was also a limited engagement scenario so WE do not know for sure what would be the situation in an all-out engagement capacity.

USAF achieved multiple BVR kills back in the Persian Gulf War (1991), and against some of the most capable Russian and French combat aircraft of the time in Iraqi hands. And Iraqi were a battle-hardened force.

FYI: https://www.rjlee.org/air/ds-aakill/By Range/

India enjoy numerical superiority over Pakistan but not in terms of equipment in every spectrum of warfare. PAF was always better than IAF as far as I remember.

Pit USAF against IAF today, and USAF will steamroll much of IAF without breaking a sweat. Heck, USAF will steamroll any Air Force out there - qualitative and quantitative disparity is too vast.

 

[Raider 21]

USA against Iraq and Turkey against a Russian attack aircraft.....is that in same equation as what PAF achieved.


I doubt every single jet is not deployed and some are kept in reserve.

Yes same equation. A kill is a kill. The Dutch have a BVR against a Fulcrum.

USA against Iraq and Turkey against a Russian attack aircraft.....is that in same equation as what PAF achieved.


I doubt every single jet is not deployed and some are kept in reserve.

None are kept in reserve.

 

[Ultima Thule]

WE had bought into Indian HYPE of Russian jets. PAF simply busted this Indian HYPE on 27-02-19 with battle tactics similar to that of USAF in the Persian Gulf War (1991). But this was also a limited engagement so WE do not know for sure what would be the situation in an all-out engagement capacity.

USAF achieved multiple BVR kills back in the Persian Gulf War (1991), and against some of the most capable Russian and French combat aircraft of the time in Iraqi hands. And Iraqi were a battle-hardened force.

FYI: https://www.rjlee.org/air/ds-aakill/By Range/

India enjoy numerical superiority over Pakistan but not in terms of equipment in every spectrum of warfare. PAF was always better than IAF as far as I remember.

Pit USAF against IAF today, and USAF will steamroll much of IAF without breaking a sweat. Heck, USAF will steamroll any Air Force out there - qualitative and quantitative disparity is too vast.

sir old and junk in 90s standard their French/Migs are not upgraded in the time of first gulf war

 

[LeGenD]

sir old and junk in 90s standard their French/Migs are not upgraded in the time of first gulf war

So everything in Iraqi hands was OLD and JUNK back in 1991? What kind of logic is this?

France does not make and sell junk for sure. And MiG-29K was as big of a name in 1991 as Su-35S is today.

Iraq had a very good military force back in 1991 - among the finest of the time. Iraq was WEAK only in the naval front because of losses in WAR with Iran.

Iraq of 2003 was a mere shadow of its formerself on conventional warfare level with a heavy tilt towards Mujahideen model.

 

[Yaseen1]

I think u.s pilots have experience on flying more types of jets in history than our pilots as PAF has not access to many jets which usaf flies and also they operate across whole world unlike Paf which only operates mostly in subcontinent region and have lower flight hours,remember during operation against OBL they jammed our radars and our jets failed to intercept their helicopters and they violated our airspace multiple times and killed our soldiers in salala checkposrt but we were unable to respond their air attack

does they have their all BVR kills against superior enemy???, mostly against crippled air defense/third grade air forces


Sharing the experience how do we get shot down SU-30 MKI


In recent they have the experience to fight air war with each other Russia vs USA or USA vs China or vise versa???, tell me that

 

[Ultima Thule]

So everything in Iraqi hands was OLD and JUNK back in 1991? What kind of logic is this?

France does not make and sell junk for sure. And MiG-29K was as big of a name in 1991 as Su-35S is today.

Avionics is not great (up to standard) and based on 70s teh, mig-25's radar had vacuum tube technology, Mig-29 using analogue system whereas All western jets using some how digital technologies, and tell me when Iraq have MIG-29K in 1991 its late 90s product, sir

 

[Nomad40]

Yes same equation. A kill is a kill. The Dutch have a BVR against a Fulcrum.


None are kept in reserve.

Iam A BVR self claimed (LOL NO) MASTER IT COMES TO ME NATURALLY.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I think u.s pilots have experience on flying more types of jets in history than our pilots as PAF has not access to many jets which usaf flies and also they operate across whole world unlike Paf which only operates mostly in subcontinent region and have lower flight hours,remember during operation against OBL they jammed our radars and our jets failed to intercept their helicopters and they violated our airspace multiple times and killed our soldiers in salala checkposrt but we were unable to respond their air attack

again against inferior air defenses weak air force, tell me that, they have experience against equal or better air forces like Russia/China

 

[aliyusuf]

So everything in Iraqi hands was OLD and JUNK back in 1991? What kind of logic is this?

France does not make and sell junk for sure. And MiG-29K was as big of a name in 1991 as Su-35S is today.

Iraq had a very good military force back in 1991 - among the finest of the time. Iraq was WEAK only in the naval front because of losses in WAR with Iran.

Iraq of 2003 was a mere shadow of its formerself on conventional warfare level with a heavy tilt towards Mujahideen model.

Didn't Iraq have just 34 MiG-29A/UB during the 1991 Gulf War?

 

[Yaseen1]

i think no one in history violated u.s airspace so such need of encounter not arose as their deterrence is too strong that no country dare to violate their airspace

again against inferior air defenses weak air force, tell me that, they have experience against equal or better air forces like Russia/China

 

[LeGenD]

Avionics is not great (up to standard) and based on 70s teh, mig-25's radar had vacuum tube technology, Mig-29 using analogue system whereas All western jets using some how digital technologies, and tell me when Iraq have MIG-29K in 1991 its late 90s product, sir

Contrary to popular belief, not much of the equipment was digitalized back then. Much of the equipment in American hands was also a mix of 1960s, 1970s and 1980s origin at the time.

Mirage F1 and MiG-29K in 1991 were akin to Rafale F3R and Su-35S today.

 

[Ultima Thule]

i think no one in history violated u.s airspace so such need of encounter not arose as their deterrence is too strong that no country dare to violate their airspace

i am not talking about US superiority or something like that PLEASE DO TELL ME THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE AGAINST SUPERIOR OR EQUAL AIR FORCES

 

[LeGenD]

Didn't Iraq have just 34 MiG-29A/UB during the 1991 Gulf War?

Yes, but how many countries even had this much at the time? - should be the question.