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Democracy was violently and bloodily squashed inside Iran. Did you missed the news?Get ready to see more blood shed. Democracy is coming to iran to liberate its people.
Democracy was violently and bloodily squashed inside Iran. Did you missed the news?
Yes...And it was still Iranians against Iranians back then. Despite what you would like to believe, the CIA is not all-powerful. You would like to make the CIA so all-powerful to remove all culpability from anyone who is remotely involved with US in any way.Well sir that is nothing new. If you might remember it was the US that was hand in hand with the Shah when they deposed Mohamed Mussadiqe.
Yes...And it was still Iranians against Iranians back then. Despite what you would like to believe, the CIA is not all-powerful. You would like to make the CIA so all-powerful to remove all culpability from anyone who is remotely involved with US in any way.
@gambit.... Despite what you would like to believe, the CIA is not all-powerful. You would like to make the CIA so all-powerful to remove all culpability from anyone who is remotely involved with US in any way.
@gambit
Let alone CIA which is a very efficient agency, Pakistanis don't even spare RAW which is far behind CIA and probably even ISI.
No i did not. But i dont interfere in other states internal matters. And perhaps someone else was also playing in those protests for its own benefit.Democracy was violently and bloodily squashed inside Iran. Did you missed the news?
You are wrong sir it was a plot hatched by the British and the US. And Shah at that time was not strong enough to do it all by him self. Now if I suggest you a book
In order to gradually lose support the Shah must have had strong support in the first place. And in the Shia clergy at that. Or are you going to say that 'the CIA' paid off all those mullahs?Although a Muslim himself, the Shah gradually lost support from the Shi'a clergy of Iran, particularly due to his strong policy of modernization, secularization and conflict with the traditional class of merchants known as bazaari, and recognition of Israel.
I had lunch with a CIA officer once at Dover AFB. Both of us were waiting for our flight back to England. I never asked what he does for the CIA and he never volunteered other than that he had several embassy postings in Europe. Does that make me a 'CIA agent' the way so many here often believe that just a tenuous link to oh-so-ominous 'the CIA' make one a 'CIA agent'? The man said with a chuckle that if 'the CIA' is even half as scary as the movies and tall tales put the agency out to be, communism would never had a hold in the world, let alone in Europe.@gambit
Let alone CIA which is a very efficient agency, Pakistanis don't even spare RAW which is far behind CIA and probably even ISI.
Even though it was the Western's desire to have a perceived communist ally removed from Iran, there was still a need to have an Iranian, not an American or Brit, as the focus for any Iranian who is sympathetic to the Shah's cause. And that is my point. There is no way the US could have paid all of them off. Or is that your contention? Look at how decimated the Iranian military was after the Islamic revolution. Or how about this bit...
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In order to gradually lose support the Shah must have had strong support in the first place. And in the Shia clergy at that. Or are you going to say that 'the CIA' paid off all those mullahs?
It does not matter. The larger point here is that for Iran, it was Iranians against Iranians, be it to install a non-democratic regime or install an Islamic one. This is the one fact that you cannot stand, that there are competing selfish desires in the ME that compelled people to alliances that are considered offensive to some and acceptable to others. The convenient scapegoat here is 'the CIA'.I am talking about the pre revolution issues and not the post revolution issues. My point was made as an argument to yours about the democratic regimes and suppression of democracy in Iran by the regime. But Just like the Taliban's where the US had played their role, the Iranian revolution was a gift to the World indirectly indeed by the US. If the US had not removed Musadigh what you think might have had happen. And mind you he was not a communist.
And I can assume that you didn't read the article that I had posted in my previous thread.
????? ??: ????? ???? ????? ? ????? ?? ? ????????It does not matter. The larger point here is that for Iran, it was Iranians against Iranians, be it to install a non-democratic regime or install an Islamic one. This is the one fact that you cannot stand, that there are competing selfish desires in the ME that compelled people to alliances that are considered offensive to some and acceptable to others. The convenient scapegoat here is 'the CIA'.