US tells Delhi to back off Pakistan and lay low in Afghanistan

[Xeric]

There is a need to understand that Pakistan is affected more by this menace of terrorism as compared to india, though there are numerous internal problems that india itself faces as of today. So it should be understood that GoP is more concerned about eliminating the terrorist on its soil (which actually were the progeny of the West!-ever heard of a suicide bomb attack before 9/11??)

What need to be emphasized is that Pakistan has already done and is still doing alot with respect to WoT.

Blaming Paksitan, asking it over and again to do more, 'ordering' it to eliminate the so called terror camps, would not earn anybody especially india nothing! Atleast till the time we are don't dependent on india for 'aid' (phun intended)

It must be made clear that this was and is not OUR war!! It's a war that has been imposed on us, may be through a western conspiracy or may be because our neighbor is trying to have more fun by trying to reciprocate what was done to it in Kashmir.

Moreover, if india is really serious in 'helping' Pakistan in it's efforts regarding WoT then it has to stop being mean and come out of the shell that surrounds india since its inception!

The 'hurdles' that india have created by its childish acts (to include but not limited to supports of terrorists in Frontier, supporting separatists in Baluchistan, directing Drama serials like attack on Indian parliament and mumbai etc etc) had only amount to problems which in turn have affected the West in particular and india in general. A recent example of which is the article that started this thread.

So it's time our neighbor should start acting maturely and show some positive and serious attitude to solve the problem that the entire world faces today.

 

[jeypore]

The 'hurdles' that india have created by its childish acts (to include but not limited to supports of terrorists in Frontier, supporting separatists in Baluchistan, directing Drama serials like attack on Indian parliament and mumbai etc etc) had only amount to problems which in turn have affected the West in particular and india in general. A recent example of which is the article that started this thread.

So it's time our neighbor should start acting maturely and show some positive and serious attitude to solve the problem that the entire world faces today.

how can you solve problems, when you are in denial. (Bolded statement above).

 

[Proud2Indian]

The text mentioned in the article is amply clear, well if someone doesn't like the it, he can carry on with the false assumptions and can get himself soothed.

Nothing can be said more lucidly.

Nobody (the US) is going to 'scold' any country(india) and ask it specifically to get away from the dirty works it does in some country [Pakistan(Baluchistan) and afghanistan].

india should realize now that its clandestine ops (which they probably think are hidden) are known to outsiders and it should be stopped as they are just creating more fuss. (As india has been unsuccessful both in Balochistan and afghanistan-making Pakistan to commit ___(i ain't telling that) size force around Quetta and supplying few rusted weapons in the Frontier Province doesn't qualify india as a winner, atleast when it is compared to what Pakistan had been doing to india in Kashmir PREVIOUSLY!)

So it is time to back off!
The big daddy is now in no mode of joking and it has come to it as a shock that still Pakistan can at anytime shift its focus towards east without even thinking twice and leaving the so called Talibans to butcher foreign forces from its land and away.

So india has to stop playing decade old tactics of unsuccessful black mail (mumbai attacks) as it has failed miserably as shown during the recent tension between india and Pakistan.

It has been made clear to the US that it has to collar india or it 'll not pay much heed to towards the task at hand (fighting extremism on the western front), which can prove disastrous for the US.

Well its good as you have accepted....why should India does not do the same at whatever scale it can do and whats wrong if its doing the same....

tx

 

[Xeric]

how can you solve problems, when you are in denial. (Bolded statement above).

An excellent one-linner indeed!

Anywaz, let me explain a bit.
First, still there alot has to be done to prove the indian claims of mumbai attacks. Now i don't want to re-quote Ziad Hamid

Second, as a few Saudi nationals carrying out 9/11 attacks never qualified Saudi Arabia to be terrorized and molested by the US. Similarly, 'a' Pakistani (as claimed by india) who brought the indian financial capital to a churning halt doesn't validate Pakistan, its people, government and policy to be targeted by the puerile indian response.

Third, india should first have some house-keeping before it points outwards.

Fourth, if india is ready to put up the claim of a sub-continental super power(with its military might, hooking up bases in various countries, it's navy claiming to be a continental navy now etc etc), why in the first place it FAILED to preempt and react to acts of terrorism inside its soil?

It is very easy to blame and point out others, selecting targets and claiming that Pakistan is in Denial Mode (the golden words of sir Mukharjee) and that Pakistan is harboring terror camps is a an easy way to hide own weaknesses and shortcomings.

BTW, the thread and article was never about what you made me talk, the matter at hand is that india should stop supporting TERRORISTS in our frontier province from within Afghanistan and the separatist elements inside Baluchistan. You please do that and then we can see if the situation improves or not!!

How can a country who supports terrorists can complain of terrorism i wonder. Surprising indeed.

Oh and yes i forgot the state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir.

 

[Xeric]

Well its good as you have accepted....why should India does not do the same at whatever scale it can do and whats wrong if its doing the same....

tx

We have never negated the fact.
We have been supporting the freedom fighters morally, politically and psychologically! And we still do!

Atleast, it was different then the indian support to mukhti bani.

 

[was]

Got your point, but there is a fundamental difference between having not able to eliminate a criminal/ terrorism and supporting the criminal/terrorism against someone else. hope my point is clear.

here comes the super expert

 

[TOPGUN]

Nitesh bahi is here lol !!

 

[Proud2Indian]

We have never negated the fact.
We have been supporting the freedom fighters morally, politically and psychologically! And we still do!

Atleast, it was different then the indian support to mukhti bani.

Well with lot of MODS participating iin this thread...I will not push my luck further...but just add that its not only Kashmir which Pakistan has supported..there were other terrorist Org un-related Kashmir......And also regarding Kashmir...I have made comment regarding Pakistan role in some thread...if you want we can discuss Kashmir there...For India supporting terrorist in Pakistan...I guess we are replying in same coin (If India is involved).....In the name of Kashmir whole India was\is targeted and you still want to quote Zahid Hamid (or whatever his name)

As they say " Tit-for-Tat"

tx
PS: don't take it personally
PSS: I missed that...you mean you never trained them...provided logistics....not even in start of 90's..?

 

[Contrarian]

Nitesh, surely you did not miss Chidambaram's allegation of having 'proof of Pakistani agencies involvement in Mumbai'.

That sort of rhetoric, 'all options on the table', refusal to engage with Pakistan until very late etc - all of that led to the current environment we see.

What should they have done? Issued official statements categorically refuting the speculation by the Indian media and various politicians of Pakistani institutional involvement, as Pakistan did after the attack on the Sri Lankan team. Engage with Pakistan on her offers of cooperation, joint investigation etc.

There was a lot that could have been done differently, and could still be done differently - the GoI continues to repeat the same, perhaps now because its election season.

That option was not exercised because of Pakistan's history. The Joint Investigation Mechanism is all but a sham played by Pakistan to show that it is helping India in fighting terror in Indian soil. This much has been said by senior officials during the wake of the Mumbai massacre. The last time, after the Parliament attacks, Pakistan promised to stop terrorism emanating from its soil. They arrested a few people, most notably one man. And guess what, he was LET OFF, and Agno, guess the date when he was released--IIRC one day before or after the date Parliament was attacked the previous year. Imagine the irony.

The JIM, the joint probe, et all, only serve to give Pakistan a route to save the criticism that it does nothing to stop terrorism emanating from its own soil.

So forgive the Indian govt when they dont really take up the 'cooperation offered by Pakistan'.

And on the second issue-I agree that GoI should have give a statement to stop the speculation done by the media in the aftermath of 26/11. However, and this is purely my view- one of the point was to let Pakistan know the seriousness of the situation.

And secondly-the media, barring the thing that Pakistani institutions were involved-were proved right wernt they. The attackers were from Pakistan. Now we can also argue about the extent of support and patronage LeT has been given in Pakistan.

 

[Awesome]

Well with lot of MODS participating iin this thread...I will not push my luck further...but just add that its not only Kashmir which Pakistan has supported..there were other terrorist Org un-related Kashmir......And also regarding Kashmir...I have made comment regarding Pakistan role in some thread...if you want we can discuss Kashmir there...For India supporting terrorist in Pakistan...I guess we are replying in same coin (If India is involved).....In the name of Kashmir whole India wasis targeted and you still want to quote Zahid Hamid (or whatever his name)

As they say " Tit-for-Tat"

tx
PS: don't take it personally
PSS: I missed that...you mean you never trained them...provided logistics....not even in start of 90's..?

India has never been targeted by Pakistan, certain organizations get carried away. Indian RAW on the other hand is actively involved in terror as it is now starting to show with public reprimands of India from the referee in south asia.

 

[IceCold]

It seems finally some sense prevailing in few heads sitting in Washington and certainly a good start in the right direction. US needs to have a broader check of what's happening on its side of the border and how different forces are hell bent on destabilizing Pakistan in a quest to break the country up, India most notably the front runner.

On a side note i wonder what our two American friends here have to say about this who could see things only in black and white. No offense intended.

 

[Awesome]

That option was not exercised because of Pakistan's history. The Joint Investigation Mechanism is all but a sham played by Pakistan to show that it is helping India in fighting terror in Indian soil. This much has been said by senior officials during the wake of the Mumbai massacre. The last time, after the Parliament attacks, Pakistan promised to stop terrorism emanating from its soil. They arrested a few people, most notably one man. And guess what, he was LET OFF, and Agno, guess the date when he was released--IIRC one day before or after the date Parliament was attacked the previous year. Imagine the irony.

The JIM, the joint probe, et all, only serve to give Pakistan a route to save the criticism that it does nothing to stop terrorism emanating from its own soil.

So forgive the Indian govt when they dont really take up the 'cooperation offered by Pakistan'.

And on the second issue-I agree that GoI should have give a statement to stop the speculation done by the media in the aftermath of 26/11. However, and this is purely my view- one of the point was to let Pakistan know the seriousness of the situation.

And secondly-the media, barring the thing that Pakistani institutions were involved-were proved right wernt they. The attackers were from Pakistan. Now we can also argue about the extent of support and patronage LeT has been given in Pakistan.

All of that can also be construed as India's relentless desire for war in the region. Which is exactly why it got this slap on the wrist. If India's going to continue funding and supplying terror organizations in Pak, don't go crying to the world when the favor is reciprocated.

The organizations you support in turn also kill Americans and sooner or later they are going to start saying wtf? Remember unlike the former idiot, Obama's primary focus has been Afghanistan. These things will routinely come up in all of their strategic planning meetings.

 

[Contrarian]

All of that can also be construed as India's relentless desire for war in the region. Which is exactly why it got this slap on the wrist. If India's going to continue funding and supplying terror organizations in Pak, don't go crying to the world when the favor is reciprocated.

Sorry Asim, but what slap on the wrist. Read the original article, not the modified one. And i dont understand how you construe it to 'India's desire for war in the region'.

 

[Contrarian]

India has never been targeted by Pakistan, certain organizations get carried away. Indian RAW on the other hand is actively involved in terror as it is now starting to show with public reprimands of India from the referee in south asia.

Dont joke with me Asim. Your educated enough-Dont talk like a fanboy. Read the countless articles on the internet. There is a reason why most of the world says Pakistan is Ground Zero of terrorism.

And FYI: I also dont at any point deny that India has not done anything to harm Pakistan.

 

[Proud2Indian]

India has never been targeted by Pakistan, certain organizations get carried away. Indian RAW on the other hand is actively involved in terror as it is now starting to show with public reprimands of India from the referee in south asia.

Well these were official org......I will not like to cause for thread going off-topic....may at some other place we will dicsuss this.....Are you saying that ISI was never involved in Anti-India ops and I am talking about the type of activities you are accusing RAW off......

as i said "tit for tat"...its hurting both of us...but i guess there is no other way....

tx