US Stealth UAV RQ-170 downed in IRAN

[gambit]

Nope. Here is how it should be handled:

- On "link lose" Return to Base
- If unable to RTB then find the closest safe place and Land
- If can't get to a safe place, wait until you have got fuel and then self destruct


Beyond that, there must be an independent onboard module checking the sanity of drone's decisions/actions.
That module must include an override routine similar to this:

- If a "Land" instruction has been issued and we are in hostile territory then
- Contact and get confirmation from Base
- If can't contact base then Cancel the "Land" instruction.
- If can't cancel the Land instruction, then self destruct.
- If can't "self destruct" either, then send a message to the control room: "we are screwed".


Why couldn't it RTB?
Even for some reason it can't have GPS localization at that time, it must have some secondary less accurate localization mechanism (like bearing-only SLAM) to fall back to. It just has to go back close to the base. It's much more likely to find a non-hostile territory there to land.


However, this drone somehow landed in hostile territory.
So it's designers have been super stupid and the drone lands as soon as it loses link?
So from now on, whenever Iran detects an RQ-170 it has just to Jam it and it lands neatly without making a whim! Is that what you are telling us?

If you can't believe that the designers were SO STUPID, then it must be that, Iranians had somehow overridden the default routines of the drone.

Already addressed. Please look them up.

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Stealth planes usually never emit any radio signal since it beats the purpose of being stealth. All stealth missions have to be done under strict radio silence for this obvious reason that the enemy forces can then triangulate on the signal and use it as a kind of passive radar. Besides all stealth missions are flown in night, taking off at night and coming back before dawn. Though I am not sure if this is how stealth drones operate but internet literature on F-22 and B-2 mentions this as a requirement of stealth. They only send any radio signal if there is a real emergency for example when the air craft is going to crash.

Mostly wrong. Especially the 'never' bits. The rest are just baseless assumptions no experts entertained.

 

[longbrained]

gambit,

You are trying so hard but all that is coming out of you is smoke and not much turning.

A drone specially a bat wing shaped drone that is inherently unstable in design and needs continuous computer input to remain stable in flight when runs out of fuel will violently crash down in a nose dive and will not remain intact as the drone in Iranian possession clearly (as per US officials).

If any operator programs an Iranian airbase as the alternative landing zone, it is called treason and not stupidity. Ask a lawyer in US to clarify that for you.

Yes, that is the only solution. If you know any other that explains all the realities on the ground go ahead, because till now what have said is laughable. As per you the drone run out of fuel and glided onto hard earth intact, or the drone run out of fuel and chose to land (really stupid) in Iran. As if the drone was afraid of heights and did not want to come down crashing or using its self destruct option. Since when your drones have become self aware?

 

[gambit]

gambit,

You are trying so hard but all that is coming out of you is smoke and not much turning.

A drone specially a bat wing shaped drone that is inherently unstable in design and needs continuous computer input to remain stable in flight when runs out of fuel will violently crash down in a nose dive and will not remain intact as the drone in Iranian possession clearly (as per US officials).

I am willing to put up my past explanations on how flight control systems works against yours any day. Care to try?

If any operator programs an Iranian airbase as the alternative landing zone, it is called treason and not stupidity. Ask a lawyer in US to clarify that for you.

Not if it is authorized. Talk to a military officer.

Yes, that is the only solution. If you know any other that explains all the realities on the ground go ahead, because till now what have said is laughable. As per you the drone run out of fuel and glided onto hard earth intact, or the drone run out of fuel and chose to land (really stupid) in Iran. As if the drone was afraid of heights and did not want to come down crashing or using its self destruct option. Since when your drones have become self aware?

What I have said so far are far more plausible than any crap you have crapped out.

 

[IranZamin]

Yep. That is because Iranians were waiting for the super secret drone on the air base after the virus sent the code to Iranians that it was coming home after having dutifully completed its tour of duty in United States. So Americans could not go in, seeing the sheer number of soldiers and anti aircraft batteries there. The irony is if Iranians release photos of this drone, then it would be government of Iran that is showing for the first time real pictures of this plane to American tax payers. Such an irony for a "democracy" and "open society".

Isnt it amazing that US with so much power cant do any s.hit to Iran ? Must tell something about Iranian ability...

 

[Vassnti]

Isnt it amazing that US with so much power cant do any s.hit to Iran ? Must tell something about Iranian ability...

LOL got your centrifuges fixed yet?

 

[gambit]

LOL got your centrifuges fixed yet?

Ooohhh...That is low...

 

[IranZamin]

LOL got your centrifuges fixed yet?

Yes, domestic Iranian ones aswel. And that with 33 years sanctions and 8 years of war. next question please :p

 

[gambit]

Is gambit still sticking to his story?

for the record, he's claiming that the drone landed in an airport and that's how IRanian forces were able to capture it (weird ******* theory, I know).

Let us see how credible are your guys' arguments here so far...

- Virus: No expert, avionics and/or computer, have been willing to attach his name to this hypothesis, least of all the avionics guys, which includes me.

- Jamming: The RQ-170 normal operating altitude over the intended area would be around 13-15,000 meters altitude. Its antennas are topside, protected line-of-sight (LoS) from any ground based transmitters by the wings and body. No communication expert is willing to attach his name to this hypothesis.

That leave the more plausible explanations about American mistakes, incompetency, texting on the job, Internet surfing, booze, etc......In other words, nothing plausible about Iranian technical capabilities.

 

[500]

Isnt it amazing that US with so much power cant do any s.hit to Iran ? Must tell something about Iranian ability...

* In 1979 Iran had more GNP per capita than Brazil, Turkey, South Korea.
* Today Iran has two times less GNP per capita than Brazil and Turkey and 4 time less than South Korea.

From military point Iranian air force today is weaker than it was 30 years ago.

 

[raavan]

Let us see how credible are your guys' arguments here so far...

- Virus: No expert, avionics and/or computer, have been willing to attach his name to this hypothesis, least of all the avionics guys, which includes me.

- Jamming: The RQ-170 normal operating altitude over the intended area would be around 13-15,000 meters altitude. Its antennas are topside, protected line-of-sight (LoS) from any ground based transmitters by the wings and body. No communication expert is willing to attach his name to this hypothesis.

That leave the more plausible explanations about American mistakes, incompetency, texting on the job, Internet surfing, booze, etc......In other words, nothing plausible about Iranian technical capabilities.

All ur agreements will not hold if Russia had downed the drone since Americans will then think Russia might have some advanced technology.

In ur posts u r not willing to give Iran the benefit of doubt coz it is less likely that Iran can come up with a technology better that USA. None of ur agreements are foolproof technically.

 

[gambit]

* In 1979 Iran had more GNP per capita than Brazil, Turkey, South Korea.
* Today Iran has two times less GNP per capita than Brazil and Turkey and 4 time less than South Korea.

From military point Iranian air force today is weaker than it was 30 years ago.

We are 'scared' because we are utterly convinced by the monthly announcement of new fantastic weapons created by Iran's elite Photochop Battalion.

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All ur agreements will not hold if Russia had downed the drone since Americans will then think Russia might have some advanced technology.

In ur posts u r not willing to give Iran the benefit of doubt coz it is less likely that Iran can come up with a technology better that USA. None of ur agreements are foolproof technically.

Believe it but you are correct. If some jungle tribe make such a claim, I would give more plausibility to Iran. But if the Russians are involved, then why not give them the greater benefit? This is what I have been saying: Plausibility. Especially in the technical dept.

 

[Abii]

* In 1979 Iran had more GNP per capita than Brazil, Turkey, South Korea.
* Today Iran has two times less GNP per capita than Brazil and Turkey and 4 time less than South Korea.

From military point Iranian air force today is weaker than it was 30 years ago.

Einstein, Iran has been under 4 rounds of UN sanctions and a bizallion Euro and American sanctions, We also fought an 8 year war that DESTROYED our infrastructure and set us back a couple of decades.
meanwhile we've been growing. Our GDP has multiplied by 4 times in nominal terms since 2000. 416 billion vs 100 in 2000. Let's compare Iran to KSA (a country exporting 4 times more oil than iran and a country that is under NO sanctions and can trade with virtually any country in the world).
note: higher GDP growth rates since 94 + no recession

Now withh United Kingdom
note: no recession since 94 and many times higher growth rates

conclusion: shut your zionazi face

 

[IranZamin]

Einstein, Iran has been under 4 rounds of UN sanctions and a bizallion Euro and American sanctions, We also fought an 8 year war that DESTROYED our infrastructure and set us back a couple of decades.
meanwhile we've been growing. Our GDP has multiplied by 4 times in nominal terms since 2000. 416 billion vs 100 in 2000. Let's compare Iran to KSA (a country exporting 4 times more oil than iran and a country that is under NO sanctions and can trade with virtually any country in the world).
note: higher GDP growth rates since 94 + no recession

Now withh United Kingdom
note: no recession since 94 and many times higher growth rates

conclusion: shut your zionazi face

Haha you owned him

 

[Harry_Thomason]

* In 1979 Iran had more GNP per capita than Brazil, Turkey, South Korea.
* Today Iran has two times less GNP per capita than Brazil and Turkey and 4 time less than South Korea.

From military point Iranian air force today is weaker than it was 30 years ago.

You just hate Iran, isnt? You forgot Iran was attacked and went through a long war, then they had increasingly heavy sanctions. Still they have THE fastest growing science in the World, 18th GDP in the World (and expected to be 12th in 2015), and has self sufficiency very few countries in the World have.

Army? Sure air force is weaker due to sanctions, however military and defense is by far greater than during Shah years, plus they make most of the weapons themselves. Your beloved Israel? Spoon fed by US. I'm pretty sure Jews in general would LOVE to have such self sufficiency

 

[IranZamin]

We are 'scared' because we are utterly convinced by the monthly announcement of new fantastic weapons created by Iran's elite Photochop Battalion.

Dude, put your ground forces versus our ground forces, just you coward, no allies (your puppet dogs) siding with u. just US and Iran against each other in open battlefield. We will see who runs like a girl to their mothers.
Iranians are known for their bravery, till now you fought bribed Iraqis,deserted Libyans,afghans with no government (and still they are kicking the s.hit out of you) so what makes you think you can take on the most powerful player in the Middle East ?