US senators introduce bill to block F-35 delivery to Turkey

[azyr]

Just posturing as usual. The logistical nightmare as well as the political backlash from such a move would cost the US much more then it would cost Turkey. The US has already accepted the S-400 purchase but she's trying to cause much of a racket as she can so Turkey thinks twice before even inquiring non US weapon systems.

Too bad they're out of touch with the reality on the ground. This isn't 1980 anymore, the world has globalized immensely and par some top of the line tech almost all weapon systems can be bought off from somewhere else.

 

[Mr ambassador]

Just posturing as usual. The logistical nightmare as well as the political backlash from such a move would cost the US much more then it would cost Turkey. The US has already accepted the S-400 purchase but she's trying to cause much of a racket as she can so Turkey thinks twice before even inquiring non US weapon systems.

Too bad they're out of touch with the reality on the ground. This isn't 1980 anymore, the world has globalized immensely and par some top of the line tech almost all weapon systems can be bought off from somewhere else.

Whats logic behind it . India a non-nato country and strategic ally of israel is going to get F35 jets ?

 

[azyr]

Whats logic behind it . India a non-nato country and strategic ally of israel is going to get F35 jets ?

I'm sorry I don't understand the question?

 

[Mr ambassador]

I'm sorry I don't understand the question?

I mean the US offered india to purchase F35 jets even though it is non NATO country

What is logic behind in it ?

 

[MMM-E]

if The US Senate block F-35 delivery to Turkey that means The US is enemy to Turkey
Nobody can block F-35 delivery to Turkey ... Turkey is a global partner of the F35 JSF project ,
3 senators are bastards and they dont know who is Türkiye

Turkey can kick the US out of INCIRLIK Airbase
Turkey can close American AN/TPY2 Radar base in KURECIK
Turkey can block Bosphorus ... ( only gate way to the Black Sea for the US and NATO against Russia )
Turkey can enter Manbij ,Telabyad, etc to kick American backed Ypg terrorists


btw The US Senate blocked sale UCAV to Turkey but Turkey has developed its own UCAVs ( Bayraktar TB-2 and ANKA are in service and 4,5+ tons AKINCI UCAV will be in service by 2021 ) only The US and Turkey in NATO

total of 182 UCAV and 76 UAV will be produced ( Bayraktar TB-2 and ANKA )




even Turkey has developed TEI PD170 Engine for UAV-UCAV




sooner or later Turkey will develop TAI TFX 5+ gen stealth Fighter Jet ....

 

[-SINAN-]

When for the last time Turkey faced such sanctions from US ?

In 70s when we invaded Cyprus. US sanctioned Turkey in return Turkey closed İncirlik Airbase, 2 years later sanctions lifted and business continued as usual.

 

[Maxpane]

Thats the problem of usa . First she sells then blackmails. Thank God we are not in their shadows anymore

 

[azyr]

I mean the US offered india to purchase F35 jets even though it is non NATO country

What is logic behind in it ?

Ah I see now. Well the logic is very simple. The US likes to push as further as she can.

IIRC India was asked to drop a prerequisite system for the S-400 from the Russians that in turn meant they couldn't buy the S-400 either. In return for that they were given access to buy the F-35.

Turkey is pushed hard so that she doesn't stray further from US approved weapons and weapon systems. Like I said - NATO doesn't matter when your most important player in the area starts to look at other teams too. They feel the need to push Turkey as much as possible so that she stays firmly inside the US sphere of influence hence the whole story.

The US has used the media to "suggest" sanctions might happen if the S-400 was even considered. Nothing came of that. Then they "suggested" huge embargoes if the deal was inked. That also happened and nothing came of that either. I mean, yes, they did veto "gun sales" (as in literally hand guns) to Turkey to save face but lol

During this whole ordeal the US threatened to "not sell the F-35" to Turkey but that obviously is a big claim to make and even harder matter to actual pull off. This incident is just a continuation of that - they're trying to make the threat look even more credible by voting for it in the senate (which it has absolutely no chance of passing).

The same US declined to sell AntiAir systems to Turkey repeatedly - until the S-400 deal was inked. After that they offered (not accepted a plea - they OFFERED) the patriot systems with tech transfer included! That's still being talked upon I think but not sure.

To summarize : The US uses all her assets to push bully and subdue every and any country except her. To think that Turkey would be spared because she's in the NATO is laughable as the US has done similar things to even the UK.

On the other hand this move is not to stop Turkey from acquiring the S-400 system - that's already happened. This is to make sure Turkey understands that the US means business and a further deal of any kind that that they don't approve of will have some sort of consequences.

 

[KapitaanAli]

Interesting thing is that India ,a close ally of Israel , going to get F35 jets even though its not nato member.

IAF Chief has categorically denied that India is looking at F35 and called the news fake.
LM has categorically denied that F35 has been offered to India. The most they've offered is F35 tech on F16.

Yes, this is the scenario after the news broke about Russia being told that we're out of Su57, which is also not confirmed.

And NATO member country Turkey was refused . lol

Not gonna happen. TFX is a Turko-BAE project. Turkey will be denied fifth gen tech by the West only if there's cooperation with Russia or Chinese on the same.

The reason is leakage of technology. LM is of the stand that India won't get any technology (hypothetically speaking) as long as we're developing our Su57 version with Russia.

These sort of bills are just politics and has no impact on capitalist America.

 

[PurpleStone]

IAF Chief has categorically denied that India is looking at F35 and called the news fake.
LM has categorically denied that F35 has been offered to India. The most they've offered is F35 tech on F16.

Yes, this is the scenario after the news broke about Russia being told that we're out of Su57, which is also not confirmed.


Not gonna happen. TFX is a Turko-BAE project. Turkey will be denied fifth gen tech by the West only if there's cooperation with Russia or Chinese on the same.

The reason is leakage of technology. LM is of the stand that India won't get any technology (hypothetically speaking) as long as we're developing our Su57 version with Russia.

These sort of bills are just politics and has no impact on capitalist America.

Exactly. The reason why Modi pulled out of Su-57 project is that US has imposed a condition that LM would not sell F-35 to India unless and until India cancels the SU-57 deal with Russia and India did.

On topic:

Turkey is a partner in F-35 program hence the sale cannot be blocked like in case of India.

 

[Yaseen1]

those who find it difficult to implement change to deal with new challenge never succeed in life

This will be a major setback for Turkey and it will just be the beginning of many such blockade and hardware sanctions in various projects. Turkish militarily establishment will blame Eradgon for this. When for the last time Turkey faced such sanctions from US ? Anyways if Turkey has already paid the money for the first batch of F-35s i.e. 14 planes as per the article, than it will be a bit difficult to get this bill passed in US Congress. But nevertheless, ominous signs for Turkish airforce.



Easy statement without any substance. Their entire airforce and infrastructure is based on US/NATO standards. It will take years to observe any Russian aircraft and their standards.

 

[KapitaanAli]

Exactly. The reason why Modi pulled out of Su-57 project is that US has imposed a condition that LM would not sell F-35 to India unless and until India cancels the SU-57 deal with Russia and India did.

On topic:

Turkey is a partner in F-35 program hence the sale cannot be blocked like in case of India.

This is a depressing possibility, but the fact remains that IAF has denied it after the Su57 report. US was talking about it in the old days hypothetically.

I don't deny that there could be a governmental miscalculation to get F35. But it is against all policies and strategies of India to operate a closed system.
This along with the fact that the same report that broke Su57 story also said that we're open to it when the aircraft matures, makes F35 more unlikely. The only way it'll be considered is if they offer it in the current tender for 110 aircrafts, which they won't.

Anyway, we agree that Turkish F35 won't be cancelled since the scenarios are different, which was the point I was making.

 

[Mr ambassador]

Well ,no one understood my point .


I meant israeli lobby has too much grip over policy makers of USA.


They can turn winds of defense industry of any country as long as god chosen people are happy .


I am 1000% sure . The US will never ever sell F35 jets to Turkey .

 

[PurpleStone]

This is a depressing possibility, but the fact remains that IAF has denied it after the Su57 report. US was talking about it in the old days hypothetically.

I don't deny that there could be a governmental miscalculation to get F35. But it is against all policies and strategies of India to operate a closed system.
This along with the fact that the same report that broke Su57 story also said that we're open to it when the aircraft matures, makes F35 more unlikely. The only way it'll be considered is if they offer it in the current tender for 110 aircrafts, which they won't.

Anyway, we agree that Turkish F35 won't be cancelled since the scenarios are different, which was the point I was making.

What we need to understand is the Modi's India is very different from the India of the past. I do not think Russia would pitch SU-57 for MMRCA. Russia is pitching for MIG-35 which IAF is least interested in. IAF is interested in Rafales but Modi would go for F-16 and pacify IAF by ordering another 36 Rafales.

 

[KapitaanAli]

Well ,no one understood my point .


I meant israeli lobby has too much grip over policy makers of USA.


They can turn winds of defense industry of any country as long as god chosen people are happy .


I am 1000% sure . The US will never ever sell F35 jets to Turkey .

Turkish-Israeli interests align perfectly.

Qatari (Turkish friend) - Emirati interests may not align in Somalia, but Turkey, Israel and Saudi are still allies.