US senator warns Pakistan over links with Haqqanis

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

whats new in the news , the main question what will usa do on ground

action speak more then words

actions speaks LOUDER then words

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Levin is a little late - Clinton's already debunked the 'ISI supported Haqqani terrorist attacks', and essentially exposed Levin as a liar by suggesting the US has no evidence of such support (so what evidence did Levin see?)

Clinton also petty much accepted the Pakistani position on 'no military ops in NW' and trying to engage the Haqqanis in negotiations.

Now, on the negotiations part, it remains to be seen how sincere the US will be in actually engaging in negotiations.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

ISLAMABAD: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has accepted that there was no evidence of ISI involvement in the attack on US embassy in Kabul, Geo News reported.

Talking to media here, Clinton said there would be no ground offensive against Pakistan under any circumstances.

She said that US did not want to make Pakistan a 'sacrificial goat'. Clinton said that US wanted to further strengthen the relationship with Pakistan.

To a question, Clinton said no solid evidence of ISI involvement in attack on US embassy in Kabul had been found.

Hillary Clinton confirmed the meeting of US officials and leader of Haqqani network and said that it was arranged by ISI.


No intention of ground offensive against Pakistan: Clinton

So, Senator Levin, what exactly is this 'evidence' that you claim to have seen, which your Secretary of State, accompanied by the CIA and Military Chiefs, is denying exists?

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The conspiracy theories, the lies, the paranoia, the delusion keeps coming from the land of free. Can we have some politicians who are not freaks from the US?

Democrats are trying to burnish their 'strong on national security' credentials and act tough in the run-up to the elections.

 

[karan.1970]

excellent,
I appreciate that you picked this point up and thats exactly what I am saying, even if he is not part of a committee or senator for that matter and as a "concerned citizen" he can speak to his fellow Americans no problem with that, but when the news are touted as an official or unofficial warning to Pakistan then it causes confusion and thats not helpful. well in this very case this news was not really worthy of a thread in this forum at all and also the title is misleading too.

Err.. The news is from Dawn and the title is replicated as is from the news site.. I do agree its a bit of exaggerated reporting on Dawn's part and other news papers also have followed the same pattern of sensationalizing the speech. But I guess given the rocky road US/Pak are travelling in this relationship, everyone is looking at each and every sound byte with those lenses..

BUT (there is always a BUT ..whatever he says publicly can be attributed as an official stance of the US government because he is a respectable member of the senate. unless there si a statement from the state department saying that his videos are his personal and the US government doesn’t share his idea of sending a warning to Pakistan.

Not too sure of that.. He has shared his official views with a committee in the US and its upto each and every one of the listeners to interpret them as they may..

just like a firm in business is liable if a salesperson uses company name and title to enter a contract with other parties, its held liable unless it makes a public declaration that the actins of that person were not consented or approved by the firm. the judge may decide a diminished responsibility in that case at best.

There is no contract here, hence NO liability. He has shared his views and recommendations to the Foreign affairs committee..And he is a strong opinion formulator in US politics.. Whether his recommendations make a large enough impact on USA's stance is to be seen in coming days and weeks..

What trend we got here is that anyone who is or has been anybody in the US setup comes up and makes a inflammatory statements that reek with bigotry and lack substance and a lot of brovado hence we see a kind of “had enough already” reaction fro Pakistan, there is no longer an explanation on why Pakistan is unable to launch anymore attacks but actually a demand to Americans why they think that we should be expanding our fronts when you guys are starting negotiations and deciding your departure dates and why you think expanding the front will be of any help when the current fronts on either sides are still active?

I will urge every member whatever your nationality, please don’t spam the forum with the same stories from a new parrot after every few days. I will check with the forum admin and see if such threads can be trashed the moment they are posted and their posters given a friendly advice to either use the existing threads and add those stories there or just leave that story.

Its a mod team call, but I think this is much more than a nobody parroting a american stance on Pakistan but as I said, its your call. On a lighter note, with these standards, you might as well end up removing 95% of new threads on the forum

 

[karan.1970]

Levin is a little late - Clinton's already debunked the 'ISI supported Haqqani terrorist attacks', and essentially exposed Levin as a liar by suggesting the US has no evidence of such support (so what evidence did Levin see?)

You may want to re read both the accounts again..Do not read the amateur reporting by Dawn, but the transcript of Levin's speech.. There is no contradiction on that account..

 

[Emmie]

So it means secretary Clinton has conveyed her message back home - locals are not ready to do exactly what we want them to do.

Democrats are really struggling.

 

[illusion8]

And do you think Pakistanis like india? Its indians who always rush to Pakistani forums, very few Pakistanis go to indian forums. In fact, we dont want anything to do with india.

U can always suggest to the admins to not accept Indians as members. And what other forum other than this one are u mentioning? and Pakistanis go to Indian forum, they definitely do. Some pakistani told me the same what u r saying here that why am i here made me think twice about it, but realized that its a forum not like u r giving us anything for being here.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You may want to re read both the accounts again..Do not read the amateur reporting by Dawn, but the transcript of Levin's speech.. There is no contradiction on that account..

The same reporting of Clinton's comments is also available on international media outlets - would you like to post excerpts of both and tell me what exactly you mean by 'no contradiction', given Clinton's comments?

 

[karan.1970]

The same reporting of Clinton's comments is also available on international media outlets - would you like to post excerpts of both and tell me what exactly you mean by 'no contradiction', given Clinton's comments?

Not really.. You should do your own research.. I am simply saying that Clinton said they dont have any evidence linking ISI to Kabul attacks.. Levin did not say anything that contradicts that (though Dawn misquoted him to appear that he did)