US SEAL team was to surrender if surrounded by Pak troops

[FaujHistorian]

If and when scenario's are quite lame and also spreading the word that "US SEAL team was to surrender if surrounded by Pak troops" - which again is speculations and rumor mongering ...

Amen brother. I am with you.

You tell me, as far as all the details presented till date then "NO" - though you might have some inside information.

Yeap. Inside info is simple.

ISI and CIA both suspected that ben fing laden is in that compound.

You think in a desi society, one can live without the neighbors pushing their big noses through the gate?

Pretty much every knew that there is something fishy (daal main kala hai).

But Lal masjid had taught some tough lessons to Pak army.


And they wanted Americans to take care of this problem.

Some units came from Pakistani base Tarbela and some from Kabul. and both were known to Pak army command.

Once the deed was done,

Pak army came and secured the site.

That's all


I am not sure why Dawn will print this garbage.


peace

 

[iPhone]

Indians are here to defend American honor, how cute

 

[anonymus]

Food for thought...........

If Pakistani Army was so upset by death of their Emir,why didn't it intercepted the chopper which was carrying Laden's body.It flew through Pakistani Airspace,Pakistan has fair warning that Americans would trespass again and official stance of Pakistan was that dishonoring body of their Emir by not granting him proper funeral was wrong.

Is it lack of capability on western front due to overemphasis on eastern or tacit approval of Emir hunting.

 

[xyxmt]

On Topic> the SEALS if surrounded by PA, would hardly have any other option.

So the plan of SEALS surrendering to PA if surrounded and then VP resorting to negotiation was logical, if the OP is correct.

BTW there is another news which shows Obama was ready to rain hell on Pakistan to save SEALS.

We should wait for more sources.

there are some news for local public consumption, those news are released in case the operation was successful and did not need to use that option (rain hell on Pakistan), had the operation failed there would have been hell rained on Navy seals they have not seen in their life (Imagine 5 gorey chittey seal stuck in the middle of 1000 angry pathans)

 

[tarrar]

Every month new statements & new stories comes from US on OBL. They are still trying to make people believe that this horse crap operation was for real.

 

[FaujHistorian]

there are some news for local public consumption, those news are released in case the operation was successful and did not need to use that option (rain hell on Pakistan), had the operation failed there would have been hell rained on Navy seals they have not seen in their life (Imagine 5 gorey chittey seal stuck in the middle of 1000 angry pathans)

Those goray chittay marines and seals have been ruling the @rses of 10000s of angry Afghanistanis for so many years.

sure there are losses here and there, but so far who is on the receiving end of hell?

Afghanistanis and Arabs or the goray chittay marines?

Any answer?

 

[xyxmt]

Those goray chittay marines and seals have been ruling the @rses of 10000s of angry Afghanistanis for so many years.

sure there are losses here and there, but so far who is on the receiving end of hell?

Afghanistanis and Arabs or the goray chittay marines?

Any answer?

no man you made me speechless here
no answer for you, I am hiding my face even to say what i said.


and go ask those gorey chittey marines who returned to their home country, there is a lot to say on the papers and then there is a lot to see whats on the grounds in arlington cemetery or army hospitals

 

[Gentelman]

DAWN spun the headlines

The news is more about Obama saying that the SEALs wont surrender and the americans would rain hell on Pakistani military if they interfered.. Probably the same was conveyed to Pakistan as well.. That's why for hours while this operation was on, there was no response from PA or PAF

Americans can't do anything like that...
they are stuck already in Afghanistan and here Iran is upcomming problem....
soo and Pakistan's reliance on uncle sam is too much less than before soo they can't do soo.....
well those helis flew from Srinagar airport thats why these slealth helis were not captured in radar as such helis were not expected from east and Usama in Pakistan was too a nightmare for Pakistan armed Forces....

 

[Black Widow]

Every month new statements & new stories comes from US on OBL. They are still trying to make people believe that this horse crap operation was for real.

And what do you believe, believer???

Why don't you ask your govt, who had Khatoons of OBL?? If this operation was propaganda then you pakistani should dismantle the army/ISI (As they are doing treason by spreading USA's lie).

typical denialistani (I am borrowing Sher Malang term).

 

[FaujHistorian]

....
Why don't you ask your govt, who had Khatoons of OBL?? I.....

Common those were not Ben fing Laden's wives. they were not.

They were aliens. Most likely martians.

the house they were caught from is actually Pakistani version of Area 51.


Americans and ISI just made up story about them because otherwise us Pakistanis will be scared of UFOs.


OK I just made up story to have some fun with our Jih@dis.

peace

 

[Black Widow]

Common those were not Ben fing Laden's wives. they were not.

They were aliens. Most likely martians.

the house they were caught from is actually Pakistani version of Area 51.


Americans and ISI just made up story about them because otherwise us Pakistanis will be scared of UFOs.


OK I just made up story to have some fun with our Jih@dis.

peace

FH, I read your posts, your posts are balanced and logical, no need to pissed off. I was talking to ppl like Tarar who see everything as conspiracy.

I like almost all of your posts, even if I don't agree with you.

 

[illusion8]

Amen brother. I am with you.



Yeap. Inside info is simple.

ISI and CIA both suspected that ben fing laden is in that compound.

You think in a desi society, one can live without the neighbors pushing their big noses through the gate?

Pretty much every knew that there is something fishy (daal main kala hai).

But Lal masjid had taught some tough lessons to Pak army.


And they wanted Americans to take care of this problem.

Some units came from Pakistani base Tarbela and some from Kabul. and both were known to Pak army command.

Once the deed was done,

Pak army came and secured the site.

That's all


I am not sure why Dawn will print this garbage.


peace

OH..ISI knew about OBL and his compound all right - how do you think he stayed there for more than 5 years?

ISI knowing and CIA knowing it are totally two different things - the CIA suspected him staying there to a probability of 70%.

and, your theory that Pakistani's let the Americans take care of the problem because of lal Masjid is hilarious when one considers the cost benefit ratio here - just to avoid some domestic disturbance Pakistan let the global community look at Pakistan as a terrorist supporter.

 

[Amaa'n]

Amen brother. I am with you.



Yeap. Inside info is simple.

ISI and CIA both suspected that ben fing laden is in that compound.

You think in a desi society, one can live without the neighbors pushing their big noses through the gate?

Pretty much every knew that there is something fishy (daal main kala hai).

But Lal masjid had taught some tough lessons to Pak army.


And they wanted Americans to take care of this problem.

Some units came from Pakistani base Tarbela and some from Kabul. and both were known to Pak army command.

Once the deed was done,

Pak army came and secured the site.

That's all


I am not sure why Dawn will print this garbage.


peace

i don't how the operation was carried out, and how much of Pakistani Soliders were involved in the operation, but what i understand is that someone in the High Command knew about the operation including ISI chief. As I said earlier people used to track down kuwaiti were actually ISI personnel.

If you watch movie 'Zero Dark Thirty" ( i know its just a movie), but in that movie, it was shown that how CIA analysi had access to detainees at isi detaintion center.
The called tracked down of Kuwaiti was by a pakistani agent. and Then how kuwaiti was followed to abbotabad house with the help of isi agents.

So saying that pakistan had no role to play in getting obl is little obsurd i guess

OH..ISI knew about OBL and his compound all right - how do you think he stayed there for more than 5 years?

ISI knowing and CIA knowing it are totally two different things - the CIA suspected him staying there to a probability of 70%.

and, your theory that Pakistani's let the Americans take care of the problem because of lal Masjid is hilarious when one considers the cost benefit ratio here - just to avoid some domestic disturbance Pakistan let the global community look at Pakistan as a terrorist supporter.

Its called STRATEGIC THINKING, my dear. We have already lost a lot while taking care of Global community, we are not bothered with it anymore, i think it was time to think about ourselves.
We are still on the face of the earth and its been 2 years, aren't we?

 

[illusion8]

i don't how the operation was carried out, and how much of Pakistani Soliders were involved in the operation, but what i understand is that someone in the High Command knew about the operation including ISI chief. As I said earlier people used to track down kuwaiti were actually ISI personnel.

If you watch movie 'Zero Dark Thirty" ( i know its just a movie), but in that movie, it was shown that how CIA analysi had access to detainees at isi detaintion center.
The called tracked down of Kuwaiti was by a pakistani agent. and Then how kuwaiti was followed to abbotabad house with the help of isi agents.

So saying that pakistan had no role to play in getting obl is little obsurd i guess


Its called STRATEGIC THINKING, my dear. We have already lost a lot while taking care of Global community, we are not bothered with it anymore, i think it was time to think about ourselves.
We are still on the face of the earth and its been 2 years, aren't we?

So now we are working on assumptions of Pakistan sending in its troops who accompanied the seal team?

So can Faujhistorian or you answer these questions for me?
How come no one in America or Pakistan even distantly acknowledged this?
Why did the seal team had to be so secretive that it needed to sneak into Pakistan in dark and under radar cover?
Why was Afridi caught and jailed for 33 years and is being called a traitor if all he did was identify OBL's location to the CIA?
Why was the Pakistani's red faced and could not utter a word after the operation?
why is Pakistan still being subjected to reprimands by all when it could very well reveal it's part of the operation?
Why did it take all of 5 years to take him out?
Why did all Pakistani leaders kept claiming that OBL was either dead or was in hiding in Afghanistan?
Why is all the accounts revealed by the seal team and the CIA and the operational team there was no mention of any Pakistani involvement in the operation?
why when number of members of the seal team have come out with the facts of the events that unfolded, when there was no soldier or ISI guy from Pakistan who came forward and declared that they were part of the operation too?

 

[Amaa'n]

So now we are working on assumptions of Pakistan sending in its troops who accompanied the seal team?

So can Faujhistorian or you answer these questions for me?

Sure, would love, though I am not military expert, and just a student but I will give my best to answer your questions.

1) How come no one in America or Pakistan even distantly acknowledged this? -
Dude did you hear what Obama said in his very first speech?, he in his clear words praised the pakistani authority's assitance in the raid.

2) Why did the seal team had to be so secretive that it needed to sneak into Pakistan in dark and under radar cover?
Read @FaujHistorian's earlier reply, this questions of your contradicts with the facts that Pakistan high command had knoweldge of it. Even the residents of the area were out of their homes. So it wasn't so secretive was it?

3) Why was Afridi caught and jailed for 33 years and is being called a traitor if all he did was identify OBL's location to the CIA? Tried to double cross his daddy's that why, I am not sure but CIA might wanted to confirm the identity on their own and doublecross isi.
i will leave it for @FaujHistorian to answer it better.

4)Why was the Pakistani's red faced and could not utter a word after the operation?
Mate did you bother reading Washington Post for 3rd May 2011. THe President of Pakistan wrote an article in it. I suggest you read it and then ask questions.

5) why is Pakistan still being subjected to reprimands by all when it could very well reveal it's part of the operation? Again you are going in circles and asking same
question again and again. read my earlier reply to you.

6)Why did it take all of 5 years to take him out? Ask CIA and ISI, why asking me? CIA with their so high tech satellites were not able to find him. And it all came down to the heads of ISI personnel to track him down. Do i need to remind you of the report by US, where a green pass was give to Pakistani Establishment in clear words?
Why did all Pakistani leaders kept claiming that OBL was either dead or was in hiding in Afghanistan?

7)Why is all the accounts revealed by the seal team and the CIA and the operational team there was no mention of any Pakistani involvement in the operation? Why you keep asking the same questions I don't get it. please read above. Wasn't it CIA who said Iraq had WMD?. Wasn't it them who gave a pass to 9/11 attacker? Wasn't it the CIA who allowed the Jordaninan Doctor to enter the base without clearence so he could blow up the vehicle laden with explosives?

8)why when number of members of the seal team have come out with the facts of the events that unfolded, when there was no soldier or ISI guy from Pakistan who came forward and declared that they were part of the operation too?
Why would me just shoot in our own foot.

I hope my answers were satisfactory.....let me know if you have any doubts. I guess my answers were clear enough