US says Ukraine ceasefire would cement Russian 'conquest', A ceasefire in Ukraine would only serve to "ratify" Russia's territorial gains

[beijingwalker]

US says Ukraine ceasefire would cement Russian 'conquest'​

Michael Hernandez |16.03.2023 - Update : 16.03.2023

WASHINGTON

A ceasefire in Ukraine would only serve to "ratify" Russia's territorial gains against its eastern European neighbor, the White House said Thursday.

The comments come after China unveiled a 12-point proposal to end the war, which calls for negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv and a nationwide ceasefire.

National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said that while the "much ballyhooed" proposal from Beijing to halt hostilities "sounds perfectly reasonable," it would ultimately lead to legitimizing Russia's territorial gains, and "would constitute another continued violation of the UN Charter."

"A ceasefire right now would basically ratify Russia's conquest. It would, in effect, recognize Russia's gains, and all of its attempts to conquer a neighbor's territory by force," he told reporters during a virtual briefing.

"Russia would basically be free to use that ceasefire to further entrench its positions in Ukraine, to rebuild their forces, refit them, reman them, retain them so that they can then restart attacks at a time of their choosing. And frankly it's just not a step that we believe towards a just and durable peace," he added.

Kirby said the Biden administration has "long been encouraging" Chinese President Xi Jinping to speak with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, saying "it's really important for the Chinese to get the Ukrainian perspective here and not just Mr. Putin's."

He was referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

China has long claimed neutrality in Russia's war against Ukraine, but has refrained from criticizing Moscow and has repeatedly either sided with it or abstained during successive votes at the United Nations amid warning Moscow-Beijing relations.

Beijing on Feb. 24 rolled out its peace proposal to end the war in Ukraine, bucking long-standing demands from Ukraine that no ceasefire be implemented until Russia leaves all of its occupied territories.

Zelenskyy reacted lukewarmly to China's proposal, saying it is "not bad," and noting his government is in favor of some of the items put forward by Beijing.

US says Ukraine ceasefire would cement Russian 'conquest'

White House says it has 'long been encouraging' Chinese President Xi Jinping to speak with Ukrainian leader - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[beijingwalker]

China urges Ukraine, Russia to restart peace talks ‘as soon as possible’​

Residents standing near a burning building after an artillery attack in Kostyantynivka, Ukraine, on March 15, 2023. PHOTO: AFP
March 16 2023

BEIJING – China’s foreign minister on Thursday urged Kyiv and Moscow to restart peace talks “as soon as possible”, saying Beijing fears the conflict “could escalate and get out of control”.

Beijing “hopes that all parties will keep calm, exercise restraint, resume peace talks as soon as possible, and return to the track of political settlement”, Foreign Minister Qin Gang told his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in a phone call.

He said “China hopes that Ukraine and Russia retain hope for dialogue and negotiation”.

Mr Kuleba, for his part, said he and Mr Qin discussed the “significance of the principle of territorial integrity”.

“I underscored the importance of (Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s) peace formula for ending the aggression and restoring just peace in Ukraine,” he wrote on Twitter.
China, which has refrained from condemning Russia for its invasion of Ukraine, has urged both sides to agree to a gradual de-escalation leading to a comprehensive ceasefire in its 12-point paper on the “political resolution of the Ukraine crisis”.

The plan, which received a lukewarm welcome on both sides, called for the protection of civilians and respect for each other’s sovereignty.

Chinese President Xi Jinping is expected to visit Russian Vladimir Putin as soon as next week and hold a virtual meeting with Mr Zelensky.

Analysts say it will be hard for China to get Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table, but some pointed out that Mr Xi could act as a “back channel” for starting momentum towards talks. AFP, REUTERS

China urges Ukraine, Russia to restart peace talks ‘as soon as possible’

Beijing “hopes that Ukraine and Russia retain hope for dialogue and negotiation”, says China's foreign minister. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[Valar.]

There is no reason for ceasefire.

Ukraine lose a lot in manpower and some in land area but they stood their ground and slowly and steady not only keeping Russia in check in those occupied lands but also winning back some territory. It would be foolish to give up now especially when Russia's losses are higher now. They should keep fighting and gain as much territory as possible.

 

[MH.Yang]

Before the outbreak of the war, Ukraine had a population of 40 million.

After the outbreak of the war, 10 million people from eastern Ukraine joined Russia, and another 15 million went to Europe as refugees. Ukraine should now have only 15 million people.

During WW2, the population of Germany was 80 million. At the end of the war, Germany mobilized 17 million soldiers to the limit. In other words, extreme mobilization can mobilize 20% of the population to join the war.

This means that Ukraine can mobilize up to 3 million people to join the war.

For the Anglo Saxons, Ukraine's population is not a problem. Even if all the Ukrainians die, the Onkola Saxons will continue to throw ethnic groups such as the Poles and Georgians into war. These ethnic groups are also controlled by the Onkola Saxons, who are also Slavs and, like the Russians and Ukrainians, are enemies of the Onkola Saxons.

 

[TNT]

Yeah let the ukranians die, why woukd the satan want a ceasefire.

 

[casual]

Before the outbreak of the war, Ukraine had a population of 40 million.

After the outbreak of the war, 10 million people from eastern Ukraine joined Russia, and another 15 million went to Europe as refugees. Ukraine should now have only 15 million people.

During WW2, the population of Germany was 80 million. At the end of the war, Germany mobilized 17 million soldiers to the limit. In other words, extreme mobilization can mobilize 20% of the population to join the war.

This means that Ukraine can mobilize up to 3 million people to join the war.

For the Anglo Saxons, Ukraine's population is not a problem. Even if all the Ukrainians die, the Onkola Saxons will continue to throw ethnic groups such as the Poles and Georgians into war. These ethnic groups are also controlled by the Onkola Saxons, who are also Slavs and, like the Russians and Ukrainians, are enemies of the Onkola Saxons.

Ukraine is running out of people to mobilize. Driving Russia out military is unrealistic. Russia on the other hand still have much more people to mobilize. Another 9 months of war and it'll be over.

 

[MeFishToo]

Before the outbreak of the war, Ukraine had a population of 40 million.

After the outbreak of the war, 10 million people from eastern Ukraine joined Russia, and another 15 million went to Europe as refugees. Ukraine should now have only 15 million people.

During WW2, the population of Germany was 80 million. At the end of the war, Germany mobilized 17 million soldiers to the limit. In other words, extreme mobilization can mobilize 20% of the population to join the war.

This means that Ukraine can mobilize up to 3 million people to join the war.

For the Anglo Saxons, Ukraine's population is not a problem. Even if all the Ukrainians die, the Onkola Saxons will continue to throw ethnic groups such as the Poles and Georgians into war. These ethnic groups are also controlled by the Onkola Saxons, who are also Slavs and, like the Russians and Ukrainians, are enemies of the Onkola Saxons.

Most ukrainians initially leaving Ukraine has returned. It is estimated 5 million are internally displaced and 7 million left of which 4 million to the EU. The occupied parts of Ukraine had a pre war population of 8 million, and its safe to say a large part of those left to become internally displaced.
So no, Ukraine doesnt have a population of 15 million. The estimated number in 2023 is 36 million. How many of them being held captive in russian occupied territory I dont know. But it is not 8 million.

 

[Oldman1]

US says Ukraine ceasefire would cement Russian 'conquest'​

Michael Hernandez |16.03.2023 - Update : 16.03.2023

WASHINGTON

A ceasefire in Ukraine would only serve to "ratify" Russia's territorial gains against its eastern European neighbor, the White House said Thursday.

The comments come after China unveiled a 12-point proposal to end the war, which calls for negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv and a nationwide ceasefire.

National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said that while the "much ballyhooed" proposal from Beijing to halt hostilities "sounds perfectly reasonable," it would ultimately lead to legitimizing Russia's territorial gains, and "would constitute another continued violation of the UN Charter."

"A ceasefire right now would basically ratify Russia's conquest. It would, in effect, recognize Russia's gains, and all of its attempts to conquer a neighbor's territory by force," he told reporters during a virtual briefing.

"Russia would basically be free to use that ceasefire to further entrench its positions in Ukraine, to rebuild their forces, refit them, reman them, retain them so that they can then restart attacks at a time of their choosing. And frankly it's just not a step that we believe towards a just and durable peace," he added.

Kirby said the Biden administration has "long been encouraging" Chinese President Xi Jinping to speak with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, saying "it's really important for the Chinese to get the Ukrainian perspective here and not just Mr. Putin's."

He was referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

China has long claimed neutrality in Russia's war against Ukraine, but has refrained from criticizing Moscow and has repeatedly either sided with it or abstained during successive votes at the United Nations amid warning Moscow-Beijing relations.

Beijing on Feb. 24 rolled out its peace proposal to end the war in Ukraine, bucking long-standing demands from Ukraine that no ceasefire be implemented until Russia leaves all of its occupied territories.

Zelenskyy reacted lukewarmly to China's proposal, saying it is "not bad," and noting his government is in favor of some of the items put forward by Beijing.

US says Ukraine ceasefire would cement Russian 'conquest'

White House says it has 'long been encouraging' Chinese President Xi Jinping to speak with Ukrainian leader - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

The first point in the Chinese peace plan is this.

1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected. 

Think Russia will return the lands and give up on trying to denazify and demilitarized Ukraine?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635717281702346779

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67843

The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.

It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?

Most ukrainians initially leaving Ukraine has returned. It is estimated 5 million are internally displaced and 7 million left of which 4 million to the EU. The occupied parts of Ukraine had a pre war population of 8 million, and its safe to say a large part of those left to become internally displaced.
So no, Ukraine doesnt have a population of 15 million. The estimated number in 2023 is 36 million. How many of them being held captive in russian occupied territory I dont know. But it is not 8 million.

Even Ukrainians in Canada are helping to build armored vehicles to support the war. So you can see what they are doing in Poland and other countries nearby.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Think Russia will return the lands and give up on trying to denazify and demilitarized Ukraine?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635717281702346779

This guy is disconnected from reality.

Kyiv under Russian military rule? They're essentially wiping out a small town from their own population in casualties every single day in Bakhmut.

 

[beijingwalker]

All is worth it if human lives can be saved.

 

[S.Y.A]

Yeah let the ukranians die, why woukd the satan want a ceasefire.

whatever their reasons, if you look at it objectively, russia is the aggressor. and it is an occupying force.

 

[etylo]

US just dont want peace as in everywhere, it wants chaos, conflicts and wars on someone's territories.

 

[Beny Karachun]

US just dont want peace as in everywhere, it wants chaos, conflicts and wars on someone's territories.

Russia started it

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Russia started it

Look who's saying

 

[etylo]

Russia started it

Why dont you admit that US and NATO instigated the war, the original culprit is US.