US requests NATO supply route from Iran.

[SrNair]

Kashmir is a majority Muslim state. Kashmiris are Muslims, as for your minority polytheist community that does not even live in Kashmir in spite of Indian foreign occupying Kashmiri homeland illegally.

Kashmiri host Pakistan's flag in Indian occupied Kashmir. No body host Indian flag in Pakistan's free and independent Kashmir. Indians kill Kashmiris for hosting Pakistan's flag in occupied Kashmir by India.

Kashmiris in Pakistan's have the freedom to own and carry arms as they wish. Can the same freedom be given to Kashmiris in Indian occupation? No, because Indians are INVADERS. Kashmiris would use the weapons they own to fight their invaders. To deny this, is being delusional, which most Indians are.

Kashmiris in Pakistan apply for Pakistani army, become Pakistani soldiers, and protect their Kashmiri homeland as Pakistani solders in uniform. When Indians, start violating LoC, to kill innocent civilian Kashmiris on Pakistan's side. They reply Indian invaders by firing at inDian invader soldiers and killing them.

It is clear, Kashmir is occupied by Indians, and Indians are its invaders.

To deny this, is being delusional. Which most Indians are. Indians live in a world of delusions because reality and truth is to bitter for them to accept. Indians are haters of truth and embracers of lies.

We are not one live in delusions ,it is pakistanis live in delusional.You believe and imagining some day pakistan will defeat India ,kashmir will become part of Pakistan .In the ground state things are much different.Kashmir is also now in peace compared to early decades.Some foolish pakistanies or pro-pakistanies in kashmir may make problem,but we just dont care it.If some one want to go pakistan,then they are free to go.But J&K will remain as integral part of India.For that the real owners of the half of kashmir valley ,kashmir pandits support is for India.What you make you think you can challenge India,when India is considerably powerful than earlier decades.You cant defeat India,when India is in poor condtion before the 1990's .Now we are emerging power . You can take it or leave it

 

[New]

Exactly, my point.... it is stupid to trust that cartoon picture from Indians, showing rail link from chahbahar to zabol and than selling it to gullible Pakistanis as link to central asia.

My other questions remain, why is it important for all that much advance Iran to involve Indian contractors and even labor!!!!!!!!
Is there no local contracting companies and manpower? Afterall this port is of stretigic importance and involving enemies of Pakistan, raises many concerns.

I was in Iran and i have seen doctors working at hotel reception desk.... why is this contrast?
Why Iran regime thinks that an uneducated labor from India have more right to Iranian national jobs than a local engineer and doctor?

Hi sir,
Of the technical perspective there would be no need of any foreign involvement. But however as you know building an International or even Intercontinental port needs large amounts of investment. From a financial-political view, If all the investments are done solely by Iran then not only it won't operate as a leverage in Iran's foreign policy but will always be a fear factor of wasted investment in case of geopolitical issues.
So based on the fundamentals of economy, Iran would prefer other countries like India, China and ... to act as a stakeholder.

 

[SQ8]

Iran was and will eventually be the natural ally of the US in the region. Once the US learns that the anger of the Iranians was more about their support of the barbaric Shah rather than anything else..they sooner they can take steps to ensure that their relations move past it.

Pakistan was NEVER, and will never be an effective or compatible ally to the United states. Our national psyche is incompatible to a large extent and our warring institutions cannot guarantee any cohesive level of country to country relations.

 

[niaz]

Some anonymous small time Newspaper article based of supposition alone!

Iran will no doubt love to have US backing for Chahbahar as it is a safe and far more natural route from Central Asia than Gwadar. However the differences between Iran and the US are far too great to be overcome with just one meeting. A lot more work as well as a lot more time is needed.

This is just hog wash.

 

[BATMAN]

Iran was and will eventually be the natural ally of the US in the region. Once the US learns that the anger of the Iranians was more about their support of the barbaric Shah rather than anything else..they sooner they can take steps to ensure that their relations move past it.

Pakistan was NEVER, and will never be an effective or compatible ally to the United states. Our national psyche is incompatible to a large extent and our warring institutions cannot guarantee any cohesive level of country to country relations.

It reminds me of a statement from Hazrat Ali (r.a.) which was some thing 'when bread becomes expensive the honor becomes cheap'.

Shah was moderate and good friend of Pakistan, and Pakistan will always remember him like this.

Khumeni and his extremist Islam, was also delivered by US, along with a plan to host anti Pakistan elements.

 

[SQ8]

It reminds me of a statement from Hazrat Ali (r.a.) which was some thing 'when bread becomes expensive the honor becomes cheap'.

Shah was moderate and good friend of Pakistan, and Pakistan will always remember him like this.

Khumeni and his extremist Islam, was also delivered by US, along with a plan to host anti Pakistan elements.

Regardless to how he was to his people? Are you suggesting that we support cruel masters in their own countries as long as they are friends to Pakistan?
Perhaps we arent so different from Americans then.

 

[Armstrong]

Regardless to how he was to his people? Are you suggesting that we support cruel masters in their own countries as long as they are friends to Pakistan?
Perhaps we arent so different from Americans then.

Pious Sentiments !

 

[BATMAN]

Some anonymous small time Newspaper article based of supposition alone!

Iran will no doubt love to have US backing for Chahbahar as it is a safe and far more natural route from Central Asia than Gwadar. However the differences between Iran and the US are far too great to be overcome with just one meeting. A lot more work as well as a lot more time is needed.

This is just hog wash.

Of course GWADAR's strategicness is connected with peace in Afghanistan & Baluchistan, and this is why it is extremely important for Iran, India & US to cook trouble in both regions.

Of course, every gain require investment, hence with arrival of US, chahbahar to zabol link became active.

Iran shall not forget that any link of this port to Afghanistan, would not draw friendly response from Pakistan.

At the same time all the leaders who used Pakistan's / Iranian tax payers money to fund transit of goods to occupied forces in Afghanistan will be remembered as traitor and will have no political future.

Regardless to how he was to his people? Are you suggesting that we support cruel masters in their own countries as long as they are friends to Pakistan?
Perhaps we arent so different from Americans then.

Do i need to prove that Iran's current regime is any less cruel?
At the same time, India/US/Iran are supporting drug lords of Afghanistan, do i need to post links proving to show there cruelty?
Do i need to prove that previous Iran govt. has been delivering cash to Afghan regime.

Having said this, Iran was progressive and ME was peaceful during Shah's regime, at least US was not not having autonomous military bases in Afghanistan.

 

[SQ8]

Do i need to prove that Iran's current regime is any less cruel?
At the same time, India/US/Iran are supporting drug lords of Afghanistan, do i need to post links proving to show there cruelty?
Do i need to prove that previous Iran govt. has been delivering cash to Afghan regime.

Having said this, Iran was progressive and ME was peaceful during Shah's regime, at least US was not not having autonomous military bases in Afghanistan.

Was the shah a better alternative? Let the Iranians speak rather than us.

The rest is a Pakistan centric view and not an Iran centric view. Hence, you are justifying the need by trying to paint what has been bad for Pakistan as bad for Iran.

 

[MilSpec]

Khumeni and his extremist Islam, was also delivered by US, along with a plan to host anti Pakistan elements.

Was he now... seems like a quite significant disconnect is history

Iran was and will eventually be the natural ally of the US in the region. Once the US learns that the anger of the Iranians was more about their support of the barbaric Shah rather than anything else..they sooner they can take steps to ensure that their relations move past it.

Pakistan was NEVER, and will never be an effective or compatible ally to the United states. Our national psyche is incompatible to a large extent and our warring institutions cannot guarantee any cohesive level of country to country relations.

Oil unifies all... better deals of BP, Shell... and everything will be good...

 

[SQ8]

Oil unifies all... better deals of BP, Shell... and everything will be good...

Not just oil, strategic imperatives.
A Shia(Persian) belt from Iran to Syria,Iraq(to an extent) puts the Arab(Sunni) GCC at risk and essentially creates a more pertinent enemy for all the Muslims: Each other.

So instead of the US needing to have its sons die on these soils.. let the middle east fight itself out.

 

[BATMAN]

Hi sir,
Of the technical perspective there would be no need of any foreign involvement. But however as you know building an International or even Intercontinental port needs large amounts of investment. From a financial-political view, If all the investments are done solely by Iran then not only it won't operate as a leverage in Iran's foreign policy but will always be a fear factor of wasted investment in case of geopolitical issues.
So based on the fundamentals of economy, Iran would prefer other countries like India, China and ... to act as a stakeholder.

Sorry Sir, while China being involved in Pakistani port, will never be willing to fund a venture right next to it, which will solely benefit US/India.
I think better drop the name of China from list of stakeholders and keep India and.... now add US.
It is very unfortunate, Iran is working against Pak/China interests so openly.
It only added burden on Pakistan's security infrastructure, Pakistan will never view it as a positive development.

Not just oil, strategic imperatives.
A Shia(Persian) belt from Iran to Syria,Iraq(to an extent) puts the Arab(Sunni) GCC at risk and essentially creates a more pertinent enemy for all the Muslims: Each other.

So instead of the US needing to have its sons die on these soils.. let the middle east fight itself out.

So the predictions are coming true, an army from Iran will join the anti Saudi Arab coalition, which will eventually, be bogged down near Medina and that will not happen until Syria will burn and Pakistan army arrest Indian PM.

 

[SQ8]

So the predictions are coming true, an army from Iran will join the anti Saudi Arab coalition, which will eventually, be bogged down near Medina and that will not happen until Syria will burn and Pakistan army arrest Indian PM.

Might actually be that... But the Saudis are going to have a change of government before such events(in whatever form they unfold) take place.

 

[Dillinger]

Might actually be that... But the Saudis are going to have a change of government before such events(in whatever form they unfold) take place.

You'll have to beat us first, which means Clausewitz-ian war. I'll be looking forward to your surrender, I shall keep you alive and well fed along with a few others, rare are men possessed of sharp wit.

 

[New]

Sorry Sir, while China being involved in Pakistani port, will never be willing to fund a venture right next to it, which will solely benefit US/India.
I think better drop the name of China from list of stakeholders and keep India and.... now add US.
It is very unfortunate, Iran is working against Pak/China interests so openly.
It only added burden on Pakistan's security infrastructure, Pakistan will never view it as a positive development.



So the predictions are coming true, an army from Iran will join the anti Saudi Arab coalition, which will eventually, be bogged down near Medina and that will not happen until Syria will burn and Pakistan army arrest Indian PM.

Maybe the ports are near each other but their role are far different. China is already involved in the project by financing from blocked Iranian assets.