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Featured US report explores options for Pakistan-India talks ( Revival of Musharraf Plan)

US: appease India, nudge India, encourage Hindtva, so that India under BJP/Modi will make more conflicts in Kashmir and regional. India will be used by Zionist and US as a knife to suppress Muslim and attack both Pakistan and China. Israel will become safer, because India is a bigger suppressor, and a vulnerable target.

India: leverage US resource to pressure Pakistan, making sure Pakistan stay away from China. So that India can divide and rule in this region.

Future: There will be no future in this region. India will be the biggest trouble maker and threat. There will be no cooperation in SCO, no cooperation in South Asia. The conflicts and tension will drag both Pakistan and China into this conflicts.

Long term: India will be exhausted as well by the end of day, then US/Zionist will abandon India, divide India by Muslim and Hindu, south and north, east and west. US/Zionist love India so much that, they need at least 4-7 India.
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India has built such a narrative that anything short of annexing GB and AK will never be ok with them, they have even made it illegal to display a de-facto map of Kashmir showing GB and AK as non-Indian. Additionally the way they cracked down on Kashmiris in the last decade means that anything short of liberation will be seen as appeasement and betrayal by Pakistanis.

How can the "US Institute of peace" still think that Musharaffs proposal would still work under such conditions?
 
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WASHINGTON: The Indian government’s insistence on Kashmir being a purely domestic issue is “a fiction maintained only by a large security presence”, says a report released by the US Institute of Peace.

The report by the Washington-based think tank, which is funded by the US Congress, argues that New Delhi’s claim will “be sorely tested by the disaffection that has intensified” among Kashmiris since Aug 5 last year when India illegally annexed the disputed territory.

“New Delhi will increasingly find it hard to manage its narrative about constitutional and political changes ushering in peace to Kashmir. Most indicators of violence in Kashmir have been on the rise since the August 2019 decision,” the report adds.

Arguing that “this untenable situation” will motivate all sides to come to the negotiating table, the report suggests a fresh look at a solution arrived at in 2004-07 by back-channel interlocutors appointed by president Pervez Musharraf and Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh.

The report claims that the four-point formula proposed by president Musharraf and fine-tuned during the subsequent back-channel negotiations, is the best available solution to the Kashmir conflict.

Claims formula proposed by Musharraf is the best available solution to the Kashmir issue

The report then reviews all four points to see if those are still applicable. Self-governance was the first point in this formula, which required both regional and territorial integrity, as was agreed in the Musharraf-Manmohan deal, and special status.

The report acknowledges that India’s Aug 5 decision has undone this option.

But the report claims that demilitarisation of Kashmir, the second main point of the 2004-07 deal, is still possible if both India and Pakistan agree to do so. This would require India to persuade Kashmiris not to take up arms against the Indian state and Pakistan “to curb militant activities along the Line of Control (LoC)”.

The report suggests starting with pilot programmes in some territorial pockets. If those prove successful, demilitarisation could be extended to other parts of Kashmir.

But the report warns that even if Pakistan were “to control militancy on its side, Kashmir might still suffer from attacks launched by indigenous militants”. And widespread disaffection in Kashmir “could play the role of a spoiler for long enough to wreck plans for demilitarisation”, the report adds.

The report also notes that before Aug 5, 2019, some steps were already taken to implement the third element of this formula — allowing the free movement of people and trade between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs.

In February 2005, the two sides formally announced that a bus service would run between Srinagar and Muzaffarabad; the service began in April that year.

A second service, from Poonch to Rawalakot, started just over a year later, in June 2006. This dialogue process eventually led to the beginning, in October 2008, of trade across the LoC; duty-free barter trade for 21 items produced on either side of the divide was allowed.

The report notes that in August 2019 India announced the illegal annexation and now “any future talks based on that formula will be harder to begin”.

The fourth element of the Kashmir formula is the creation of mechanisms to oversee certain less sensitive sectors, such as the environment, on both sides of the LoC.

“Like progress toward the goal of making borders irrelevant, movement toward this objective is also possible if there is political will on both sides,” the report argues.

As the first step, the report suggests setting up working groups between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs to manage common interests and tackle common issues such as trade, tourism, and river waters.

“The third and fourth points of the formula are interrelated; progress toward one would facilitate progress toward the other,” the report adds.

Although the four-point Kashmir formula is far from an ideal basis for resolving the Kashmir conflict, the report argues, “it is, nonetheless, the best available basis” for future talks.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1573368/us-report-explores-options-for-pakistan-india-talks

Your thoughts on this?
 
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US: appease India, nudge India, encourage Hindtva, so that India under BJP/Modi will make more conflicts in Kashmir and regional. India will be used by Zionist and US as a knife to suppress Muslim and attack both Pakistan and China. Israel will become safer, because India is a bigger suppressor, and a vulnerable target.

India: leverage US resource to pressure Pakistan, making sure Pakistan stay away from China. So that India can divide and rule in this region.

Future: There will be no future in this region. India will be the biggest trouble maker and threat. There will be no cooperation in SCO, no cooperation in South Asia. The conflicts and tension will drag both Pakistan and China into this conflicts.

Long term: India will be exhausted as well by the end of day, then US/Zionist will abandon India, divide India by Muslim and Hindu, south and north, east and west. US/Zionist love India so much that, they need at least 4-7 India.
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I agree with this map other than the Khalistani state which in reality would be far more smaller only encampassing Indian Punjabs land boundary. I doubt an Independant Khalistand would be viable instead Khalistan should be merged into Pakistan as an ananymous province. New Delhi has historically been under muslim rule so extending Pakistans sovereignty to New Delhi would be best.
 
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I strongly believe also that South India should create its own federation. For peace in south asia the backbown of the brahmin hindi state must be broken. For this a strong Pakistan- Dravidian federation alliance will be required which will be the geopolitical future of south asia. A perfect model for such an alliance would be how Pakistan-Sri Lanka, Pakistan-China are allies today. South Indians are far more tolerant towards muslims/islam in general and mostly keep to themselves with regard to Pakistan-India conflicts. We both share a hatred for the northern indian brahmin elite who deprieve South Indian Dravidians of there hard earned economic gains.

Both sides have much to gain economically and geopolitically.
 
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US: appease India, nudge India, encourage Hindtva, so that India under BJP/Modi will make more conflicts in Kashmir and regional. India will be used by Zionist and US as a knife to suppress Muslim and attack both Pakistan and China. Israel will become safer, because India is a bigger suppressor, and a vulnerable target.

India: leverage US resource to pressure Pakistan, making sure Pakistan stay away from China. So that India can divide and rule in this region.

Future: There will be no future in this region. India will be the biggest trouble maker and threat. There will be no cooperation in SCO, no cooperation in South Asia. The conflicts and tension will drag both Pakistan and China into this conflicts.

Long term: India will be exhausted as well by the end of day, then US/Zionist will abandon India, divide India by Muslim and Hindu, south and north, east and west. US/Zionist love India so much that, they need at least 4-7 India.
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Dang! Are you sure you are not Pakistani???
PS. This thread should be merged with the other similar thread. I believe this is a very import US Report and shows that at least some in American power circles rubbish the Indian line.
 
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Its too late.
We are past that stage. No one from india and pakistan can go both.
Both have crossed the line now.
The game is now in new delhis court and they would never ho back since this is their ideology that 370 should be scrapped.
War is the only solution now. That happens in some year.
The kashmiris are watching things slowly.
And there is anger and hate. Some few left who are not in favour of pak have seen the way.
They would start the fight. Pakistan has to jump in it and whoever wins it rules kashmir and now that is the solution left.
 
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Its too late.
We are past that stage. No one from india and pakistan can go both.
Both have crossed the line now.
The game is now in new delhis court and they would never ho back since this is their ideology that 370 should be scrapped.
War is the only solution now. That happens in some year.
The kashmiris are watching things slowly.
And there is anger and hate. Some few left who are not in favour of pak have seen the way.
They would start the fight. Pakistan has to jump in it and whoever wins it rules kashmir and now that is the solution left.

I agree. Way too much bad blood has been shown by India. Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, and even IK in his first 2 years went far out of their way to appease India and try to find some amicable solution to the Kashmir Issue. They were even willing so give up on a few issues for the greater peace.

This good will has been squandered. Now the only option left is to fight.
 
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We are famous for turning our victories on the battlefield into losses on the negotiations table. I hope Imran Khans team will do better than the previous self-centred politicians.
That's funny cause we aren't the choosers, it's all up to king trump and his prince and his friends like zulfi BUKHARI, and MBS buut the frist thing we hve to deliver is kulbhushan jis freedom just imagine where PTI. Will stands after that infront of pakistani public???
While musharf was powerfull man and that plan was his own creation not by some CIA dogs sitting in our cabinet on special assistant for nothing?
Imran isn't that much strong politicily
 
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There is only one solution which was exerciseed by the father of the nation rightly in 1947, the time pak army wasn't that strong but still managed to get a lot of lands? Why not today?
OH because our leadership is coward and thier family stakes are with West whee most of thier assests are but financially and properties and some secrets!!!!
All other other stupid plans are just eye wash and for personal gains
 
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India lost all its support in the name of terrorism, due to its recent moves. No support in UN anymore. Imran Khan already build good case against Indian atrocities in Kashmir and meddling in Baluchistan.
International establishments nevr decides on the basis of speeches in UN, they have thier plans and there isn't any case buildup yet its just political statements and nothing in practical
 
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So the reports about India reaching for back channel dialogue on Kashmir were right ..
 
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