Featured US report explores options for Pakistan-India talks ( Revival of Musharraf Plan)

[Meengla]

Time to put a hard top on that creature called hindivta has just arrived, slowly sikham to mezuram then Manipur and then kashmir, and khalistan, and urdustan will get thier independence under the name of united CEPEC states of ASIA.
wink wink?????

Urdustan?!! Man do you ever make sense? I think you and @el-sidd should have a contest on who is the master of riddles in this forum! (wink, wink!)

 

[batmannow]

Urdustan?!! Man do you ever make sense? I think you and @el-sidd should have a contest on who is the master of riddles in this forum! (wink, wink!)

I can feel you, with most of forighen agents appointed in fedral cabinet u got nothing to explain to pakistanis, why kartarpur and tramples been made while the biggest city of pakistan lacks basic essentials of life?
And again ma question stands, why not NA-AHAL govt of PTI announce the building of temple in islamabad?
While URDUSTAN is the voice of indian Muslims as khalistan is for sikhs they all want thier own state and what's the Wong with it?
OH ma sorry, I think modi ke yaroon ko bura laga???
Indian Muslims and thier independent state is causing problems among temple building allies of modi ji in pakistan!!! Thts funny!

 

[Longhorn]

How many hindu countries and thier govts have build mosques for thier muslims??????!!!!!!!!!

Stop derailing the thread.

 

[batmannow]

Stop derailing the thread.

Who is doing that, it's all part of kashmirs latest deal tht pak will be quite nd let modi ji kill as many as he wants, isn't thats the ground reality??!!!

 

[Longhorn]

Who is doing that, it's all part of kashmirs latest deal tht pak will be quite nd let modi ji kill as many as he wants, isn't thats the ground reality??!!!

Actually no.
You can say that when Jindal starts bringing messages from Modi.

 

[HAIDER]

US satellite recenlty catch the Pak-China military build up around Kashmir. And Trump is sincere to resolve Kashmir issue on Musharraf given lines.

 

[American Pakistani]

How many hindu countries and thier govts have build mosques for thier muslims??????!!!!!!!!!

There are only 2 hindu majority countries. While one is nazi regime, the other don't have much Muslim population.

Let's not slide further into of topic.

 

[jupiter2007]

US satellite recenlty catch the Pak-China military build up around Kashmir. And Trump is sincere to resolve Kashmir issue on Musharraf given lines.

Your statement is not correct. it’s might be true for China but not for Pakistan. Pakistan make the border adjustment based on Indian troop movement, reinforcements on the posts where India has brought additional troops.

BTW, Time has passed for any diplomacy from our side. now ball is in Indian court, Let’s hope Indian government make the right decision.

 

[HAIDER]

Your statement is not correct. it’s might be true for China but not for Pakistan. Pakistan make the border adjustment based on Indian troop movement, reinforcements on the posts where India has brought additional troops.

BTW, Time has passed for any diplomacy from our side. now ball is in Indian court, Let’s hope Indian government make the right decision.

India lost all its support in the name of terrorism, due to its recent moves. No support in UN anymore. Imran Khan already build good case against Indian atrocities in Kashmir and meddling in Baluchistan.

 

[Thorough Pro]

We are famous for turning our victories on the battlefield into losses on the negotiations table. I hope Imran Khans team will do better than the previous self-centred politicians.

US report explores options for Pakistan-India talks
Anwar IqbalUpdated 09 Aug 2020
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As the first step, the report suggests setting up working groups between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs to manage common interests and tackle common issues. — File photo


WASHINGTON: The Indian government’s insistence on Kashmir being a purely domestic issue is “a fiction maintained only by a large security presence”, says a report released by the US Institute of Peace.

The report by the Washington-based think tank, which is funded by the US Congress, argues that New Delhi’s claim will “be sorely tested by the disaffection that has intensified” among Kashmiris since Aug 5 last year when India illegally annexed the disputed territory.

“New Delhi will increasingly find it hard to manage its narrative about constitutional and political changes ushering in peace to Kashmir. Most indicators of violence in Kashmir have been on the rise since the August 2019 decision,” the report adds.

Arguing that “this untenable situation” will motivate all sides to come to the negotiating table, the report suggests a fresh look at a solution arrived at in 2004-07 by back-channel interlocutors appointed by president Pervez Musharraf and Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh.

The report claims that the four-point formula proposed by president Musharraf and fine-tuned during the subsequent back-channel negotiations, is the best available solution to the Kashmir conflict.

Claims formula proposed by Musharraf is the best available solution to the Kashmir issue

The report then reviews all four points to see if those are still applicable. Self-governance was the first point in this formula, which required both regional and territorial integrity, as was agreed in the Musharraf-Manmohan deal, and special status.

The report acknowledges that India’s Aug 5 decision has undone this option.

But the report claims that demilitarisation of Kashmir, the second main point of the 2004-07 deal, is still possible if both India and Pakistan agree to do so. This would require India to persuade Kashmiris not to take up arms against the Indian state and Pakistan “to curb militant activities along the Line of Control (LoC)”.

The report suggests starting with pilot programmes in some territorial pockets. If those prove successful, demilitarisation could be extended to other parts of Kashmir.

But the report warns that even if Pakistan were “to control militancy on its side, Kashmir might still suffer from attacks launched by indigenous militants”. And widespread disaffection in Kashmir “could play the role of a spoiler for long enough to wreck plans for demilitarisation”, the report adds.

The report also notes that before Aug 5, 2019, some steps were already taken to implement the third element of this formula — allowing the free movement of people and trade between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs.

In February 2005, the two sides formally announced that a bus service would run between Srinagar and Muzaffarabad; the service began in April that year.

A second service, from Poonch to Rawalakot, started just over a year later, in June 2006. This dialogue process eventually led to the beginning, in October 2008, of trade across the LoC; duty-free barter trade for 21 items produced on either side of the divide was allowed.

The report notes that in August 2019 India announced the illegal annexation and now “any future talks based on that formula will be harder to begin”.

The fourth element of the Kashmir formula is the creation of mechanisms to oversee certain less sensitive sectors, such as the environment, on both sides of the LoC.

“Like progress toward the goal of making borders irrelevant, movement toward this objective is also possible if there is political will on both sides,” the report argues.

As the first step, the report suggests setting up working groups between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs to manage common interests and tackle common issues such as trade, tourism, and river waters.

“The third and fourth points of the formula are interrelated; progress toward one would facilitate progress toward the other,” the report adds.

Although the four-point Kashmir formula is far from an ideal basis for resolving the Kashmir conflict, the report argues, “it is, nonetheless, the best available basis” for future talks.

Published in Dawn, August 9th, 2020

https://www.dawn.com/news/1573368/us-report-explores-options-for-pakistan-india-talks

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@waz something is not right .... Kashmir issue is heating up ..

 

[cloud4000]

Actully not, China is the coolest bussinesmen who have beaten the king america in its own dam hegmoneous economic game and that's where it's illegal colonial kids like india are bottom hurt?
From, sikham, to sri lanka then to nepal the mezuram, Manipur then to kashmir and laddakh, junagargh to Hyderabad all wee illegally been occupied by India and some were remote controlled by Barhamas of India but China has come to get them freedom to them and India is afraid of that?

What is Pakistan...but a colony of China? Still, you sound like a bad case of sour grapes. China can try to liberate these areas at its own peril.

Not for South Asia
Not for the 600 million muslims in South Asia
Not for the countries in South Asia

What has China ever done to us?????

The risk to us is a deluded hindutva extremist India, thinking it can push around countries like Nepal

The risk to Indian Muslims and minorities is not China, or Pakistan it's hindutva extremist India

Why are you asking ask to hate or oppose China when the risk is hindutva India?

So much concern for Muslims but why only for those in South Asia? Why no words for Uighurs or Muslims elsewhere like Syria or Yemen? Why is Pakistan so selective in its outrage? Is it because it's beholden to China in some way?

And what's this obsession with Hindutva? Why is Pakistan, an ideological state, care about Hindutva in India? India could become a Hindu Rashtra tomorrow? So what? Concern for minorities? Since when did Pakistan, a Hinduphobic state, care about minorities?

This obsession with Hindutva and comparing them to Nazis is something particular only to Pakistan, it seems.

 

[HAIDER]

We are famous for turning our victories on the battlefield into losses on the negotiations table. I hope Imran Khans team will do better than the previous self-centred politicians.

It is fact when China fully supported Pakistan to takeover whole Kashmir in 65 (Chinese premier support) , he didn't listen went to table and we all know what happened ........... may be Ayub Khan a hero for some people, but also one the worst dictator in Pakistan history. He lost Kashmir and derail political process.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON: The Indian government’s insistence on Kashmir being a purely domestic issue is “a fiction maintained only by a large security presence”, says a report released by the US Institute of Peace.

The report by the Washington-based think tank, which is funded by the US Congress, argues that New Delhi’s claim will “be sorely tested by the disaffection that has intensified” among Kashmiris since Aug 5 last year when India illegally annexed the disputed territory.

“New Delhi will increasingly find it hard to manage its narrative about constitutional and political changes ushering in peace to Kashmir. Most indicators of violence in Kashmir have been on the rise since the August 2019 decision,” the report adds.

Arguing that “this untenable situation” will motivate all sides to come to the negotiating table, the report suggests a fresh look at a solution arrived at in 2004-07 by back-channel interlocutors appointed by president Pervez Musharraf and Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh.

The report claims that the four-point formula proposed by president Musharraf and fine-tuned during the subsequent back-channel negotiations, is the best available solution to the Kashmir conflict.

Claims formula proposed by Musharraf is the best available solution to the Kashmir issue

The report then reviews all four points to see if those are still applicable. Self-governance was the first point in this formula, which required both regional and territorial integrity, as was agreed in the Musharraf-Manmohan deal, and special status.

The report acknowledges that India’s Aug 5 decision has undone this option.

But the report claims that demilitarisation of Kashmir, the second main point of the 2004-07 deal, is still possible if both India and Pakistan agree to do so. This would require India to persuade Kashmiris not to take up arms against the Indian state and Pakistan “to curb militant activities along the Line of Control (LoC)”.

The report suggests starting with pilot programmes in some territorial pockets. If those prove successful, demilitarisation could be extended to other parts of Kashmir.

But the report warns that even if Pakistan were “to control militancy on its side, Kashmir might still suffer from attacks launched by indigenous militants”. And widespread disaffection in Kashmir “could play the role of a spoiler for long enough to wreck plans for demilitarisation”, the report adds.

The report also notes that before Aug 5, 2019, some steps were already taken to implement the third element of this formula — allowing the free movement of people and trade between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs.

In February 2005, the two sides formally announced that a bus service would run between Srinagar and Muzaffarabad; the service began in April that year.

A second service, from Poonch to Rawalakot, started just over a year later, in June 2006. This dialogue process eventually led to the beginning, in October 2008, of trade across the LoC; duty-free barter trade for 21 items produced on either side of the divide was allowed.

The report notes that in August 2019 India announced the illegal annexation and now “any future talks based on that formula will be harder to begin”.

The fourth element of the Kashmir formula is the creation of mechanisms to oversee certain less sensitive sectors, such as the environment, on both sides of the LoC.

“Like progress toward the goal of making borders irrelevant, movement toward this objective is also possible if there is political will on both sides,” the report argues.

As the first step, the report suggests setting up working groups between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs to manage common interests and tackle common issues such as trade, tourism, and river waters.

“The third and fourth points of the formula are interrelated; progress toward one would facilitate progress toward the other,” the report adds.

Although the four-point Kashmir formula is far from an ideal basis for resolving the Kashmir conflict, the report argues, “it is, nonetheless, the best available basis” for future talks.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1573368/us-report-explores-options-for-pakistan-india-talks

 

[hussain0216]

What is Pakistan...but a colony of China? Still, you sound like a bad case of sour grapes. China can try to liberate these areas at its own peril.



So much concern for Muslims but why only for those in South Asia? Why no words for Uighurs or Muslims elsewhere like Syria or Yemen? Why is Pakistan so selective in its outrage? Is it because it's beholden to China in some way?

And what's this obsession with Hindutva? Why is Pakistan, an ideological state, care about Hindutva in India? India could become a Hindu Rashtra tomorrow? So what? Concern for minorities? Since when did Pakistan, a Hinduphobic state, care about minorities?

This obsession with Hindutva and comparing them to Nazis is something particular only to Pakistan, it seems.

That's a daft question on your part

Your basically saying why are we concerned about the direct threat to our people and hundreds of millions of Muslims in South Asia and others in the form of hindutva extremism rather then other people

China has done nothing to us or Indian Muslims and minorities so why should we see China as a enemy when hindutva extremist India is far more of a threat?

 

[khail007]

US always back stabbed Pakistan and will do it/suggest it again - not a reliable and sincere. Pakistan should maintain and keep safe 'Social Distancing'.