US removes Pakistan from National Security threat list

[karakoram]

Pade khabare mane yo zal bya warka dang :-D

 

[Vortex]

There is plenty of conspiracy theories about Pakistani army officers profiting from drug trade and settling in the West. Leave it at that.

You keep claiming corruption. There is no proof that USA corrupted Pakistani leadership. On the other hand there are plenty of instances where Pakistani leaders refused to do bidding of USA when not paid. What you are arguing you need to be paid more for the services rendered

You keep harping on friendship. Define friendship. And a practical instance of where it makes a difference in grand scheme of things.

Hey corruption is like drug. If you use crack once, you will become addict.

Pay once anyone, he will never work for free.

Friends are people who can have same or opposite interests, but they will never backstab each other.

That’s why I said and say it again contrary to what you are saying that friendship is two ways street, you never use the 2 ways one but only 1 way street.

A friend if he doesn’t support you in your war, at least he doesn’t do what hurt you.

Wars with India were ours wars, that’s right, but when we worked for our nukes to counter indian’s own nukes you backstabbed us with pressler. That’s not two ways street of friendship.

 

[Syed1.]

Pakistaniyon mubarak ho Kekra mein tael mil gaya hai

 

[Vortex]

I agree with you on this.

It is really shortsighted to blame US for everything bad in Pakistan. Does not help our argument and standing one bit. Pakistan is far from being a perfect society.

But I have an advice for Americans as well:

US - Pakistan relationship should be economics-driven (trade; projects; industry) with people-to-people level contacts in the picture. Transactional dealings with GOP and Pakistan Army from time-to-time won't bring [us] closer as apparent from history. And your leaders/politicians should ADVERTISE your contributions in Pakistan at every forum - this is the best way to create headlines and catch attention of the public.

Look at China - they mention CPEC in every forum.

Point is: what are you doing for Pakistani public?

War On Terror; Drone Strikes; Afghanistan; Taliban; Al-Qaeda Network; Do More - people are really fed up with these talks and themes of discussion. Highlight your POSITIVE contributions to Pakistan.

Bro I’m not blaming USA for all our problems. Yes as you said correctly we have lot of sinners in our own country.

There is no proof of corruption, how can there be a proof of it in Pakistan?

But be honest, how works foreign affairs especially between great powers and poor countries ?
Even in our case with submarine deal with France there have been corruption, former french president Sarkozy had benefited from this corruption. Now I don’t remember if the case is finished or not yet against him.

 

[nahtanbob]

FYI Pakistan paid for some 80 F-16s in advance, we got neither the 16s nor our money back. Read Pressler amendments. Our nukes were for deterrence against a much larger nuclear adversary. Yet you wanted us to bow down infront of that country instead of defending ourselves---No one is asking your highness to finance our wars, just asking to stop interfering in our internal affairs and stop imposing discriminatory sanctions against Pakistan that favor of India (like you did after 65, and your sanctions hurt us but benefited India since their major supplier was your enemy USSR). Friendship is different than being a satellite of the US, which unfortunately some Pakistani pdf members want us to be.

Here we again so exaggerating and lying. You did not pay for 80 F-16s. You paid for 28 F-16s. You eventually got your money back. I believe 71 F-16s were ordered.

You have no chance of beating India the way America beat Japan or Nazi Germany. You want to seize small amounts of Indian territory and use it as a bargaining chip. beg the international community (read USA) to mediate

I agree with you on this.

It is really shortsighted to blame US for everything bad in Pakistan. Does not help our argument and standing one bit. Pakistan is far from being a perfect society.

But I have an advice for Americans as well:

US - Pakistan relationship should be economics-driven (trade; projects; industry) with people-to-people level contacts in the picture. Transactional dealings with GOP and Pakistan Army from time-to-time won't bring [us] closer as apparent from history. And your leaders/politicians should ADVERTISE your contributions in Pakistan at every forum - this is the best way to create headlines and catch attention of the public.

Look at China - they mention CPEC in every forum.

Point is: what are you doing for Pakistani public?

War On Terror; Drone Strikes; Afghanistan; Taliban; Al-Qaeda Network; Do More - people are really fed up with these talks and themes of discussion. Highlight your POSITIVE contributions to Pakistan.

USA has bailed out Pakistan in times of famine in 1960s. USA has approved IMF bailouts and billion of dollars in World Bank loans. USA has been 1st or 2nd largest market for Pakistani exporters.

If Afghanistan was to disappear tomorrow there would be no reason to have those transactional deals with the Pakistani Army. USA is no means the beneficary of those transactional deals.

 

[maximuswarrior]

What will Modi do now?

Here we again so exaggerating and lying. You did not pay for 80 F-16s. You paid for 28 F-16s. You eventually got your money back. I believe 71 F-16s were ordered.

You have no chance of beating India the way America beat Japan or Nazi Germany. You want to seize small amounts of Indian territory and use it as a bargaining chip. beg the international community (read USA) to mediate



USA has bailed out Pakistan in times of famine in 1960s. USA has approved IMF bailouts and billion of dollars in World Bank loans. USA has been 1st or 2nd largest market for Pakistani exporters.

If Afghanistan was to disappear tomorrow there would be no reason to have those transactional deals with the Pakistani Army. USA is no means the beneficary of those transactional deals.

Hehe. Someone doesn’t like the new development.

 

[nahtanbob]

Exactly and with the USA, you took and took and in return gave sanctions, refused to return our own money, imposed the WoT, cost us $200 billion in losses and have not stopped bitchin' about the peanuts of $33 Billion, most of which was for vital logistical help, and then you help our enemies and allow free rein to bomb our people and then call us sponsors of terrorism. Hypocrisy thy name is America.

pulling 200 billion out of thin air

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden

Hey corruption is like drug. If you use crack once, you will become addict.

Pay once anyone, he will never work for free.

Friends are people who can have same or opposite interests, but they will never backstab each other.

That’s why I said and say it again contrary to what you are saying that friendship is two ways street, you never use the 2 ways one but only 1 way street.

A friend if he doesn’t support you in your war, at least he doesn’t do what hurt you.

Wars with India were ours wars, that’s right, but when we worked for our nukes to counter indian’s own nukes you backstabbed us with pressler. That’s not two ways street of friendship.

Pressler amendment prohibits American taxpayer money for Pakistani army. Given the Afghan peace accords in 1988 explain why Pakistani army needs US taxpayer dollars

 

[YeBeWarned]

Pakistan and American relations have no future , it will just remain like that Indian movie , Kabhi Khushi Kabhi ghum .

 

[Vortex]

Pressler amendment prohibits American taxpayer money for Pakistani army. Given the Afghan peace accords in 1988 explain why Pakistani army needs US taxpayer dollars

So you accept that there was no friendship from your side ? it was only for your sole interest.


extract from Wikipedia (I know sometimes it's not thrustworthy)

Pakistan and the Pressler Amendment
Pressler was also the sponsor of the "Pressler Amendment", which banned most economic and military assistance to Pakistan unless the president certified on an annual basis that[11] "Pakistan does not possess a nuclear explosive device and that the proposed United States assistance program will reduce significantly the risk that Pakistan will possess a nuclear explosive device."[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Pressler

Yep your friendship was is and will be only one way street.

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

Yup. The US pressure on Pakistan was there to help the Americans stay in Afghanistan.

However, as the US is leaving Afghanistan, they don't need to pressure Pakistan unnecessarily. Instead, the US needs a freerer, stronger Pakistan to scare and pressure India more towards the American camp.

 

[That Guy]

pulling 200 billion out of thin air

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden

It's not a figure pulled out of anyone's ***. The cost of the war on terror is anywhere between $120 billion to $255 billion.

It has cost the US a trillion dollars in Afghanistan to fight terrorism, are you really so ignorant as to think that for some reason Pakistan incurs little to no cost to fight the war as well? Do you think soldiers are fighting for free? That weapons and ammo are built for free? That buildings are civilian infrastructure simply rebuild themselves out of thin air?


https://www.dawn.com/news/1297305

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1942464/2/

Oh, and bringing up bin laden is fucking stupid. It has literally nothing to do with anything, and just makes your argument appear desperate.

[Edit] I didn't even mention the cost of hosting Afghan refugees, which has cost Pakistan over $200 billion as well. Then you have IDPs which have also cost tens of billions yo Pakistan. The point is,you are talking out of your ***.

[On topic]

The current US-Pakistani relationship is defined mainly by the Afghan war. Once the war dies down, relations will normalize.

 

[American Pakistani]

Very positive news. I hope the relations will further improve. US as a richer partner should help Pakistan with trade to build trust.

 

[nahtanbob]

It's not a figure pulled out of anyone's ***. The cost of the war on terror is anywhere between $120 billion to $255 billion.

It has cost the US a trillion dollars in Afghanistan to fight terrorism, are you really so ignorant as to think that for some reason Pakistan incurs little to no cost to fight the war as well? Do you think soldiers are fighting for free? That weapons and ammo are built for free? That buildings are civilian infrastructure simply rebuild themselves out of thin air?


https://www.dawn.com/news/1297305

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1942464/2/

Oh, and bringing up bin laden is fucking stupid. It has literally nothing to do with anything, and just makes your argument appear desperate.

[Edit] I didn't even mention the cost of hosting Afghan refugees, which has cost Pakistan over $200 billion as well. Then you have IDPs which have also cost tens of billions yo Pakistan. The point is,you are talking out of your ***.

[On topic]

The current US-Pakistani relationship is defined mainly by the Afghan war. Once the war dies down, relations will normalize.

you play a double game and you expect others to pay for it

So you accept that there was no friendship from your side ? it was only for your sole interest.


extract from Wikipedia (I know sometimes it's not thrustworthy)

Pakistan and the Pressler Amendment
Pressler was also the sponsor of the "Pressler Amendment", which banned most economic and military assistance to Pakistan unless the president certified on an annual basis that[11] "Pakistan does not possess a nuclear explosive device and that the proposed United States assistance program will reduce significantly the risk that Pakistan will possess a nuclear explosive device."[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Pressler

Yep your friendship was is and will be only one way street.

Explain why Pakistani army needs American tax payer dollars when Afghan peace accords are signed in 1988

 

[cloud4000]

Nothing more nothing less.

the moment they got what they wanted, from us new era of sanctions and co. will start again.
I lost all thrust or I should say that I have full certitudes about nature of the relationship USA made and will make with us.

A very sober realization whereas most Pakistanis continues to delude themselves on warming Pakistan-US relations, including members of Pakistan's government and military.

Outside of Afghanistan, there's a divergence of interests between Pakistan and US and it's been occurring soon after the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union. China was emerging and US seeks closer relations with India to counter it. 9/11 and the GWOT was a temporary diversion, but even then US was courting India.

Now Pakistan is clearly in China's camp and this makes easier for everyone.

 

[nahtanbob]

A very sober realization whereas most Pakistanis continues to delude themselves on warming Pakistan-US relations, including members of Pakistan's government and military.

Outside of Afghanistan, there's a divergence of interests between Pakistan and US and it's been occurring soon after the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union. China was emerging and US seeks closer relations with India to counter it. 9/11 and the GWOT was a temporary diversion, but even then US was courting India.

Now Pakistan is clearly in China's camp and this makes easier for everyone.

It is not simple. China likes a working relationship with India and vice versa.