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They refused to take position on F16 because the shot down F16 is not theirs. lt is Jordanian. Gen Bajwa is carrying a secret deep within. Even lmran Khan may not be knowing

They refuse to take position because they don't want to put India (potential client) into an awkward position, but again and again India with their crying and press conferences are putting USA into a position where they are forced to take a side (which i doubt is going to happen unless they clearly know that they dont have any chance of closing the sale).

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They refused to take position on F16 because the shot down F16 is not theirs. lt is Jordanian. Gen Bajwa is carrying a secret deep within. Even lmran Khan may not be knowing

If you really beleive that, you're an idiot.
 
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That is why Pakistan should not have any kind of future weapons procurement from USA. It is the most unreliable partner on earth. These morons are habitual liars, dodgers and dishonest people. They always try to be over-smart thinking that the rest of the world is stupid.
 
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Where are the Indians that said "SU-30 will swat F-16s like flies!" When will they explain this weeping, cowardly behavior?

"Oh comeon now, you are talking like a fool now. Perhaps you have no idea of what a flanker is, it will swat f16s like flies. only a foll with a death wish will take a f16 to fight off a flanker. And there is a difference between an enthusiast and a professional. Our air force has evaluated and have rejected the f16 as it does not provide any significant advantage over the existing aircraft of our arsenal."
 
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WASHINGTON: The US State Department has refused to take a position on New Delhi’s complaint against Pakistan for using F-16s in an air combat with India, saying that it does not offer public comments on bilateral agreements.

“We have seen those reports and we’re following that issue very closely. I can’t confirm anything, but as a matter of policy, we don’t publicly comment on the contents of bilateral agreements... involving US defence technologies,” the department’s deputy spokesman Robert Palladino said.

At a news briefing on Tuesday, Mr Palladino said the US also avoided public discussions on communications with other countries about such issues.

“So we’re taking a look and we’re going to continue to take a look, and I’m going to leave it at that,” he said.

On Wednesday, New York Times journalist Maria Abi-Habib released a set of tweets saying that contrary to India’s insistence, Pakistan may not have violated its F-16 sales agreement with the US even if it used the American-made fighter jets to shoot down Indian aircraft last week.

On Feb 27, Pakistan Air Force announced that it had shot down two Indian aircraft inside Pakistani airspace when they tried to give chase to Pakistani jets.

Indian officials, however, complained that the aircraft used by the PAF to ingress into occupied Kashmir had included an F-16.

New Delhi insisted that Pakistan’s use of F-16 against India meant that Islamabad stood in violation of a sales agreement with the US, which reportedly restricts the fighter jets to be used for anti-terrorism activities alone.

However, Abi-Habib, the NYT’s South Asia correspondent, explained how Pakistan may not have committed a violation of its sales agreement with the US even if it did use F-16s to shoot down Indian jets (which the PAF says never happened). “The US says if Pakistan used an F-16 to shoot down an Indian MiG, it may not have violated sale agreement,” she tweeted.

“They say if India entered Pakistani airspace for a second day, and Pakistan used the jet defensively, the contract wasn’t violated. But, if Pakistan used an F-16 to attack India first, then deal was violated.”

Citing weapons experts and officials, Abi-Habib also put a question mark on the Indian Air Force’s claim that the AIM-120 missile’s remnant that was displayed by New Delhi was ‘proof’ of Pakistan’s use of an F-16 in the counter-strike to the Balakot incident. She also said US officials still do not have sufficient reason to believe that an F-16 was shot down by India, as claimed by the IAF.

Abi-Habib noted that despite its desire to strengthen its ties with India, the US was not endorsing the Indian version of last week’s events. She described the US reluctance as “very interesting”.

At the State Department briefing, Mr Palladino said the US was still engaged in “high level” but “quiet” diplomacy to reduce tensions between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed neighbours.

“We continue to urge both sides to continue to take steps to de-escalate the situation, and that includes through direct communication. And we believe strongly that further military activity will exacerbate the situation,” he said.

He noted that last week, Secretary of State Michael Pompeo played a direct and “essential role in de-escalating the tensions” when he spoke with leaders in both countries, including Indian Minister of External Affairs Sushma Swaraj, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Published in Dawn, March 7th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1468087


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@JonAsad

That's already a good news for India.
Shall I consider India-US F-16 deal as concluded!
Congrats to Ajit Devil.
 
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That is why Pakistan should not have any kind of future weapons procurement from USA.

Your are wrong. F-16 with AIM-120 AMRAAM was credible threat for the Indian Air Force and they have admitted it. Pakistan and US relations are improving and Pakistan must use it's own funds to buy a squadron of F-16 Block 70 to counter Rafale fighters. Pakistan should also get upgrade package to bring our existing 85 F-16 Viper fleet up to the very similar F-16V standard. The JF-17 Block III are good fighters but Indian Rafale can only be overmatched with F-16 Block 70/72.
 
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Your are wrong. F-16 with AIM-120 AMRAAM was credible threat for the Indian Air Force and they have admitted it. Pakistan and US relations are improving and Pakistan must use it's own funds to buy a squadron of F-16 Block 70 to counter Rafale fighters. Pakistan should also get upgrade package to bring our existing 85 F-16 Viper fleet up to the very similar F-16V standard. The JF-17 Block III are good fighters but Indian Rafale can only be overmatched with F-16 Block 70/72.

It is not in pakistani hand anymore, the US establishment has clearly drifted towards india, offcourse pakistan will wish to have all the advanced weapons from any where in the world. But the real world is not based on wishes. I doubt US will give any sophisticated weapons or aircrafts to Pakistan in future. Past is past but Pakistan's military future clearly lies with China.
 
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they are trying desperately to encourage Indian to attack Pakistan, but india is much too cowardly to do it to anyone who can shoot back. hence their efforts at isolation and sanctions, which USA was going to do it any way but now gungoo telis will try and take the credit for that too

I made a comment earlier in this regard that on the surface it is a war between Pakistan and India but deep in its core it is a war between China (friend of Pakistan) and USA (new illegitimate father of India), india isn't making any move since last many years without prior approval of its new illegitimate father.
 
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The gif picture summarizes everything! :lol: the white strip is the loc, the kicker is the JF17 intercepting the kicked which is the su30 that was crossing the loc but was shot down and crashed on the iok side of the loc!
GifMeme17222508042019.gif

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It is not in pakistani hand anymore, the US establishment has clearly drifted

There are no permanent friends or enemies, only interests. Everyone keeps their options open. In early 1970s Iran was aligned with US and Vietnam hated America and today Vietnam and USA are now close friends while Iran and US are enemies. Both US and Pakistan needs each other for many reasons both sides need to accept each other interests and find common ground. IMF package cannot be approved without the US approval and we will go bankrupt. US needs Pakistan to manipulate India's policies since any positive step towards to Pakistan will result in India accepting any US demand to keep Pakistan away from US.
 
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WASHINGTON: The US State Department has refused to take a position on New Delhi’s complaint against Pakistan for using F-16s in an air combat with India, saying that it does not offer public comments on bilateral agreements.

“We have seen those reports and we’re following that issue very closely. I can’t confirm anything, but as a matter of policy, we don’t publicly comment on the contents of bilateral agreements... involving US defence technologies,” the department’s deputy spokesman Robert Palladino said.

At a news briefing on Tuesday, Mr Palladino said the US also avoided public discussions on communications with other countries about such issues.

“So we’re taking a look and we’re going to continue to take a look, and I’m going to leave it at that,” he said.

On Wednesday, New York Times journalist Maria Abi-Habib released a set of tweets saying that contrary to India’s insistence, Pakistan may not have violated its F-16 sales agreement with the US even if it used the American-made fighter jets to shoot down Indian aircraft last week.

On Feb 27, Pakistan Air Force announced that it had shot down two Indian aircraft inside Pakistani airspace when they tried to give chase to Pakistani jets.

Indian officials, however, complained that the aircraft used by the PAF to ingress into occupied Kashmir had included an F-16.

New Delhi insisted that Pakistan’s use of F-16 against India meant that Islamabad stood in violation of a sales agreement with the US, which reportedly restricts the fighter jets to be used for anti-terrorism activities alone.

However, Abi-Habib, the NYT’s South Asia correspondent, explained how Pakistan may not have committed a violation of its sales agreement with the US even if it did use F-16s to shoot down Indian jets (which the PAF says never happened). “The US says if Pakistan used an F-16 to shoot down an Indian MiG, it may not have violated sale agreement,” she tweeted.

“They say if India entered Pakistani airspace for a second day, and Pakistan used the jet defensively, the contract wasn’t violated. But, if Pakistan used an F-16 to attack India first, then deal was violated.”

Citing weapons experts and officials, Abi-Habib also put a question mark on the Indian Air Force’s claim that the AIM-120 missile’s remnant that was displayed by New Delhi was ‘proof’ of Pakistan’s use of an F-16 in the counter-strike to the Balakot incident. She also said US officials still do not have sufficient reason to believe that an F-16 was shot down by India, as claimed by the IAF.

Abi-Habib noted that despite its desire to strengthen its ties with India, the US was not endorsing the Indian version of last week’s events. She described the US reluctance as “very interesting”.

At the State Department briefing, Mr Palladino said the US was still engaged in “high level” but “quiet” diplomacy to reduce tensions between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed neighbours.

“We continue to urge both sides to continue to take steps to de-escalate the situation, and that includes through direct communication. And we believe strongly that further military activity will exacerbate the situation,” he said.

He noted that last week, Secretary of State Michael Pompeo played a direct and “essential role in de-escalating the tensions” when he spoke with leaders in both countries, including Indian Minister of External Affairs Sushma Swaraj, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Published in Dawn, March 7th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1468087


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@JonAsad

Don’t know if you’re blind and dumb or just Indian. But this article was published on 7th March. Yes. USA didn’t make a statement back then. But guess what? The official count was done after this. And what did that show? All the F-16s. Case closed? Or do you have ancient Vedic technology like the internet from 10,000 years ago to prove me wrong?
 
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A big country with the mentality of tribal men. It has been more than a month, and it's time to stop bitching like a bitter loser.
 
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They refused to take position on F16 because the shot down F16 is not theirs. lt is Jordanian. Gen Bajwa is carrying a secret deep within. Even lmran Khan may not be knowing
Whatever sails your boat.
Btw have you counted all SU-30 of yours?
 
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Have India also complained to Russia, France, England, and Israel for using their jets and equipment against Pakistan?

Fucking Retards.







WASHINGTON: The US State Department has refused to take a position on New Delhi’s complaint against Pakistan for using F-16s in an air combat with India, saying that it does not offer public comments on bilateral agreements.

“We have seen those reports and we’re following that issue very closely. I can’t confirm anything, but as a matter of policy, we don’t publicly comment on the contents of bilateral agreements... involving US defence technologies,” the department’s deputy spokesman Robert Palladino said.

At a news briefing on Tuesday, Mr Palladino said the US also avoided public discussions on communications with other countries about such issues.

“So we’re taking a look and we’re going to continue to take a look, and I’m going to leave it at that,” he said.

On Wednesday, New York Times journalist Maria Abi-Habib released a set of tweets saying that contrary to India’s insistence, Pakistan may not have violated its F-16 sales agreement with the US even if it used the American-made fighter jets to shoot down Indian aircraft last week.

On Feb 27, Pakistan Air Force announced that it had shot down two Indian aircraft inside Pakistani airspace when they tried to give chase to Pakistani jets.

Indian officials, however, complained that the aircraft used by the PAF to ingress into occupied Kashmir had included an F-16.

New Delhi insisted that Pakistan’s use of F-16 against India meant that Islamabad stood in violation of a sales agreement with the US, which reportedly restricts the fighter jets to be used for anti-terrorism activities alone.

However, Abi-Habib, the NYT’s South Asia correspondent, explained how Pakistan may not have committed a violation of its sales agreement with the US even if it did use F-16s to shoot down Indian jets (which the PAF says never happened). “The US says if Pakistan used an F-16 to shoot down an Indian MiG, it may not have violated sale agreement,” she tweeted.

“They say if India entered Pakistani airspace for a second day, and Pakistan used the jet defensively, the contract wasn’t violated. But, if Pakistan used an F-16 to attack India first, then deal was violated.”

Citing weapons experts and officials, Abi-Habib also put a question mark on the Indian Air Force’s claim that the AIM-120 missile’s remnant that was displayed by New Delhi was ‘proof’ of Pakistan’s use of an F-16 in the counter-strike to the Balakot incident. She also said US officials still do not have sufficient reason to believe that an F-16 was shot down by India, as claimed by the IAF.

Abi-Habib noted that despite its desire to strengthen its ties with India, the US was not endorsing the Indian version of last week’s events. She described the US reluctance as “very interesting”.

At the State Department briefing, Mr Palladino said the US was still engaged in “high level” but “quiet” diplomacy to reduce tensions between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed neighbours.

“We continue to urge both sides to continue to take steps to de-escalate the situation, and that includes through direct communication. And we believe strongly that further military activity will exacerbate the situation,” he said.

He noted that last week, Secretary of State Michael Pompeo played a direct and “essential role in de-escalating the tensions” when he spoke with leaders in both countries, including Indian Minister of External Affairs Sushma Swaraj, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Published in Dawn, March 7th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1468087


@TOPGUN
@JonAsad
 
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WASHINGTON: The US State Department has refused to take a position on New Delhi’s complaint against Pakistan for using F-16s in an air combat with India, saying that it does not offer public comments on bilateral agreements.

“We have seen those reports and we’re following that issue very closely. I can’t confirm anything, but as a matter of policy, we don’t publicly comment on the contents of bilateral agreements... involving US defence technologies,” the department’s deputy spokesman Robert Palladino said.

At a news briefing on Tuesday, Mr Palladino said the US also avoided public discussions on communications with other countries about such issues.

“So we’re taking a look and we’re going to continue to take a look, and I’m going to leave it at that,” he said.

On Wednesday, New York Times journalist Maria Abi-Habib released a set of tweets saying that contrary to India’s insistence, Pakistan may not have violated its F-16 sales agreement with the US even if it used the American-made fighter jets to shoot down Indian aircraft last week.

On Feb 27, Pakistan Air Force announced that it had shot down two Indian aircraft inside Pakistani airspace when they tried to give chase to Pakistani jets.

Indian officials, however, complained that the aircraft used by the PAF to ingress into occupied Kashmir had included an F-16.

New Delhi insisted that Pakistan’s use of F-16 against India meant that Islamabad stood in violation of a sales agreement with the US, which reportedly restricts the fighter jets to be used for anti-terrorism activities alone.

However, Abi-Habib, the NYT’s South Asia correspondent, explained how Pakistan may not have committed a violation of its sales agreement with the US even if it did use F-16s to shoot down Indian jets (which the PAF says never happened). “The US says if Pakistan used an F-16 to shoot down an Indian MiG, it may not have violated sale agreement,” she tweeted.

“They say if India entered Pakistani airspace for a second day, and Pakistan used the jet defensively, the contract wasn’t violated. But, if Pakistan used an F-16 to attack India first, then deal was violated.”

Citing weapons experts and officials, Abi-Habib also put a question mark on the Indian Air Force’s claim that the AIM-120 missile’s remnant that was displayed by New Delhi was ‘proof’ of Pakistan’s use of an F-16 in the counter-strike to the Balakot incident. She also said US officials still do not have sufficient reason to believe that an F-16 was shot down by India, as claimed by the IAF.

Abi-Habib noted that despite its desire to strengthen its ties with India, the US was not endorsing the Indian version of last week’s events. She described the US reluctance as “very interesting”.

At the State Department briefing, Mr Palladino said the US was still engaged in “high level” but “quiet” diplomacy to reduce tensions between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed neighbours.

“We continue to urge both sides to continue to take steps to de-escalate the situation, and that includes through direct communication. And we believe strongly that further military activity will exacerbate the situation,” he said.

He noted that last week, Secretary of State Michael Pompeo played a direct and “essential role in de-escalating the tensions” when he spoke with leaders in both countries, including Indian Minister of External Affairs Sushma Swaraj, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Published in Dawn, March 7th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1468087


@TOPGUN
@JonAsad

Man stop wasting my time with this BS, admitting your defeat is the best policy when defeat has made its mark simply.
 
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