US put NPT condition for NSG membership, reminds China

[maximuswarrior]

This idiotic behavior of Chinese will make sure the India to align itself towards other economies.

India should make sure we are not a market for Chinese goods anymore, start imposing heavy duties .

I don't think the Chinese will care much. They too can impose embargoes and make threats.

The US has to fall in line and stop making a mockery of treaties. They are clearly playing a dirty game by breaking the rules of the game. The US will be responsible for the consequences of bending the rules because no one will sit idle.

 

[xunzi]

We already have ignored them so I don't know what you're talking about.

? Please proper English.



Exactly. US exceptions and hypocrisy are going to make such treaties a joke and they in fact already have. The Americans have made a mockery out of NPT by handing nuke tech to India. The NSG inclusion will be last nail in the coffin. Every country will laugh at these treaties and simply go their own way. I don't think the US wants to set such a precedent, but judging by its desperation to include India it might well do.

I'm actually wondering how much India is bribing the US elites to do such outrageous 180. It must be huge dollar.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Why do you care so much about my ethnicity or location? Mind your own business. I can support anyone I like.

well dont take me wrong sir but i do have realtions in Netherlands and even its former colony surinaam and of what i know the ethnik people of netherlands are very pro USA & NATO and not very anthosiastic against China but then i may be wrong ... sir

 

[maximuswarrior]

I'm actually wondering how much India is bribing the US elites to do such outrageous 180. It must be huge dollar.

I don't think India can influence the US much. This has more to do with US obsession to suck up to India and crown it as its policeman of the region. Do remember, the Americans want something extraordinary in return from India. India won't be able to deliver because US demands are very hefty. The US is obsessed with imposing its hegemony all across the world and they don't make any secret of it. US goodies never come for free.

 

[xunzi]

I don't think India can influence the US much. This has more to do with US obsession to suck up to India and crown it as its policeman of the region. Do remember, the Americans want something extraordinary in return from India. India won't be able to deliver. US goodies never come for free.

Could this be US military base to station in India as a deal to support India? That is what they always want and the only thing India is willing to give up to be in the elite club.

 

[Srinivas]

I don't think the Chinese will care much. They too can impose embargoes and make threats.

The US has to fall in line and stop making a mockery of treaties. They are clearly playing a dirty game by breaking the rules of the game. The US will be responsible for the consequences of bending the rules because no one will sit idle.

Last night there was a news that Chinese are threatening to get out of UNCLOS treaty if the tribunal verdict comes against china. Philippines cannot go to UN because of Chinese Veto.

The bottom line is we will occupy anything we want , we will rant anything we want and other countries should listen. As long as there is this consensus rule International bodies will fail.

Chinese will care, because they curbing their excess productivity and are looking to manufacture in other countries.

Unfortunately for them their behavior in SCS and South Asia will make things hard for chinese economic plans.

India is in a good position to act as an import destination for them, but CCP seems has no clue.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Could this be US military base to station in India as a deal to support India? That is what they always want and the only thing India is willing to give up to be in the elite club.

That's a good a point. I won't be surprised if such a thing happened in the future where we have US military bases in the region including India. In fact, the US is already stirring up the neighborhood around the South China sea region to beef up military presence and military capacity of other nations including its own. Like I said, US policies revolve around containing China and Russia. It is an obsession. They will pay a hefty price for it because China and Russia aren't Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. You can be rest assured that China will also have a military presence in the regions of its allies.

Last night there was a news that Chinese are threatening to get out of UNCLOS treaty if the tribunal verdict comes against china. Philippines cannot go to UN because of Chinese Veto.

The bottom line is we will occupy anything we want , we will rant anything we want and other countries should listen. As long as there is this consensus rule International bodies will fail.

Chinese will care, because they curbing their excess productivity and are looking to manufacture in other countries.

Unfortunately for them their behavior in SCS and South Asia will make things hard for chinese economic plans.

India is in a good position to act as an import destination for them, but CCP seems has no clue.

Bro, wake up and smell the coffee. Every strong country in the world is making sure that its interests aren't trampled on. What more proof do you need? Just look at Russia and the Ukraine/Crimea conflict. Russia stood all alone and made sure that Crimea was annexed from Ukraine as their territory. To think that China will lie down by tribunal verdicts, blackmail or embargoes is a grave mistake. The world has changed. The Americans have reminded the world with their unilateral behavior that rules are there to be broken.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Treaties which are away from ground realities are ought to be broken or changed with time. WW1 and WW2 are examples of false organizations/treaties. Hope countries holding position in today;s global orgnaizations's should realize it and adopt to the change.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Treaties which are away from ground realities are ought to be broken or changed with time. WW1 and WW2 are examples of false organizations/treaties. Hope countries holding position in today;s global orgnaizations's should realize it and adopt to the change.

Agreed, but the changes shouldn't be cosmetically designed to benefit specific countries in mind. The changes should be fair and transparent. They should apply too all countries across the board.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Bro, wake up and smell the coffee. Every strong country in the world is making sure that its interests aren't trampled on. What more proof do you need? Just look at Russia and the Ukraine/Crimea conflict. Russia stood all alone and made sure that Crimea was annexed from Ukraine as their territory. To think that China will lie down by tribunal verdicts, blackmail or embargoes is a grave mistake. The world has changed. The Americans have reminded the world with their unilateral behavior that rules are there to be broken.

Well, what will world do if America or like wise countries who wants India in the NSG started trading with India outside NSG? Will it not make it useless thus opening way for other countries to follow the suit causing mayhem all around the world? Does China want this? As china is the one doing Nuclear trade with Pakistan without any exceptions from any organization. Atleast US is going through proper channel to make sure India is accepted into NSG.

Agreed, but the changes shouldn't be cosmetically designed to benefit specific countries in mind. The changes should be fair and transparent. They should apply too all countries across the board.

Why not? Exceptions are for specific scenarios. They become rule if there are more than few cases following the same exception. Tell me any other case /country which has same scenario and past as India has currently?

 

[maximuswarrior]

Well, what will world do if America or like wise countries who wants India in the NSG started trading with India outside NSG? Will it not make it useless thus opening way for other countries to follow the suit causing mayhem all around the world? Does China want this? As china is the one doing Nuclear trade with Pakistan without any exceptions from any organization. Atleast US is going through proper channel to make sure India is accepted into NSG.


Why not? Exceptions are for specific scenarios. They become rule if there are more than few cases following the same exception. Tell me any other case /country which has same scenario and past as India has currently?

This question needs to be asked to the US who is willing to apply double standards by making exceptions for India. India is a non-NPT signatory. The US has already transgressed by breaking the rules and sharing nuclear tech with India. If the US is going to break the sacred rules China also reserves the right to look after its interests. The US isn't going through proper channels. They are bending the rules and blackmailing others to follow suit. There is a division among NSG members with regards to the inclusion of India in case didn't you notice. The countries which are opposed, are opposed for a very good reason.

India doesn't come from Mars. We all know the real reasons behind US double standards. I've already pointed them out. The US is sucking up to India because it needs a policeman as a counterbalance against China. The US understands that China isn't an easy proposition. The fact that it is willing to commit the cardinal sin by breaking the most sensitive treaties goes to show how desperate it is to tackle China.

If that is the case than be prepared for others to apply similar double standards. Don't cry foul though when the treaties have no meaning or purpose.

 

[neem456]

I don't think the Chinese will care much. They too can impose embargoes and make threats.

The US has to fall in line and stop making a mockery of treaties. They are clearly playing a dirty game by breaking the rules of the game. The US will be responsible for the consequences of bending the rules because no one will sit idle.

US made the rule, hence they break it as well.

Superpower will make and break the rules, while nerd power will just have to fall in line, like they did in 2008.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

This question needs to be asked to the US who is willing to apply double standards by making exceptions for India. India is a non-NPT signatory. The US has already transgressed by breaking the rules and sharing nuclear tech with India. If the US is going to break the sacred rules China also reserves the right to look after its interests. The US isn't going through proper channels. They are bending the rules and blackmailing others to follow suit. There is a division among NSG members with regards to the inclusion of India in case didn't notice. The countries which are opposed, are opposed for a very good reason.

India doesn't come from Mars. We all know the real reasons behind US double standards. I've already pointed them out. The US is sucking up to India because it needs its as a counterbalance against China. The US understands that China isn't an easy proposition. The fact that it is willing to commit the cardinal sin by breaking the most sensitive treaties goes to show how desperate it is to tackle China.

If that is the case than be prepared for others to apply similar double standards. Don't cry foul though when the treaties have no meaning or purpose.

As I already said, if the rule is not toeing the changed times, then it has no value and one day or another it will be broken. If you think, denying technology through a treaty to 1.25 billion people, largest democracy, fastest growing country with a dier need to provide energy to its people , with a trusty record of non-proliferation, origin of many religion are not very valid reasons for India to be granted exceptions, then I dont think there is a reason for NSG should be there.
Coming to your point of US pumping India because it wants it to counterbalance China. But that has been US's desire since very long. US approached India immediately after India. India denied it. US did that after cold war too. So this is not a reason for NSG. India has its own need for energy, without which India will be left with no option but to go the traditional way of energy generation by burning fossil fuels which will then hamper world's environmental obligations. World needs to provide India an option to work on its energy requirements.

 

[calmDown@all]

Americans have made a mockery out of NPT by handing nuke tech to India.

The US has already transgressed by breaking the rules and sharing nuclear tech with India.

whooooooo Calm down broooo!!!!!when did that happen please expain

 

[Srinivas]

That's a good a point. I won't be surprised if such a thing happened in the future where we have US military bases in the region including India. In fact, the US is already stirring up the neighborhood around the South China sea region to beef up military presence and military capacity of other nations including its own. Like I said, US policies revolve around containing China and Russia. It is an obsession. They will pay a hefty price for it because China and Russia aren't Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. You can be rest assured that China will also have a military presence in the regions of its allies.



Bro, wake up and smell the coffee. Every strong country in the world is making sure that its interests aren't trampled on. What more proof do you need? Just look at Russia and the Ukraine/Crimea conflict. Russia stood all alone and made sure that Crimea was annexed from Ukraine as their territory. To think that China will lie down by tribunal verdicts, blackmail or embargoes is a grave mistake. The world has changed. The Americans have reminded the world with their unilateral behavior that rules are there to be broken.

Yes the world has changed and India will have its say in it !

India stands for equality.