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Totally disagree.
Education or not doesn't matter at all.

I have degree of science but it doesn't guarantee I can understand society or politics. I learn politics all by myself when I was 30s. Politics was not my cup of tea at all during my school time.

US and EU has high education rate, but their people are still brainwashed like 99% of Indians.

Chinese media in contrast seldom made up stories, we seek wisdom from truth and truth only. Chinese understand US society much better from a distance.

Chinese are educated with dialectics philosophy and traditional value, instead of neo-liberal trash or neo-conservative. It's so clear to us that US is on the wrong track decades ago.

It's not about education, it's about how the politics manipulate the MASS. Even the majority of people are educated with degree, it means little.

The average IQ of MASS is around 100. To be a good political leaders, you need very high IQ and EQ, much higher than 140.

Lee Kuan Yew graduated from Cambridge University with a double starred-first-class honours in law.

Lee Hsien Loong was the Senior Wrangler (ranked 1st in the Math Tripos) at Cambridge. He scored 31 alphas*, 12 more alphas than the runner up. A senior wrangler is the top mathematics undergraduate at Cambridge and is one of the greatest intellectual achievements attainable in Britain.

That's how meritocracy works in Singapore. This is traditional Confucius Value, and we pick the best of the best in thousands in China.

While, you see the senate of US? All of them are bunch of idiots.
Ok there is a lot to unpack here. Receiving an education is broader than earning a degree. You don’t need to earn a specialisation in politics in order to decide which policy manifesto aligns to your needs. I mean, elections in a democracy are on the broad basic principle that the voter needs to be told what your value prop as a potential candidate is, the voter reads your manifesto and makes up their mind, while looking at other such manifestos. Your voters then track your performance while you are in power against the manifesto and then decide if you are worth putting in charge again or not. Now anyone who receives K-12 education, will be able to get through the steps mentioned in abridged version of the democratic process above. Some would have a higher more nuanced understanding, some will have just enough to understand broad aspects.
The simplification on the value prop, or the election promises is in the interest of those who seek to get elected. Hence a doctorate in politics is not required unless you want to become an analyst.
What you described seems very complicated for a large country. A large country also has to worry about universal representation. Each constituency needs a candidate that speaks for the people in that constituency and are a part of the common election framework. Selecting super-specialised candidates that provide universal representation is an enormous drain on the coffers and not sustainable. Basically, you can’t expect a significant quota of super specialised people in any country to be available to participate in a democratic process about not pursue their trade/profession. They can only be ‘selected’ in a non-democratic setup.
 
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The fact remains that the military-industrial complex wants to perpetually keep earning the monies by retaining those governments who wage imperialist wars around the world.

Tell me, how different is the Democrats party from the Republicans ? Obomba won for the Democrats, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for some strange reason and then in 2011 began war against Libya and Syria. The Bush family of the Republicans did the same against Iraq.

The rest of the American bureaucratic system keeps the American public pacified through basketball games, muscle cars, barbaric "games" like WWE and boxing, silly Hollywood action films like Fast and Furious, propaganda films like Rambo and The Dictator, and a general sense that USA is superior.

There are so many homeless people in USA yet the government maintains a hugely expensive military to invade Libya where housing was the basic human right of every person. Doesn't that sound ridiculous ? And who is imminently threatening to invade USA ?



I don't understand what "democratic socialists" means ? Tell me what it is in theory and in practice ?



If the Indian middle class, who is BJP's main constituency, was merely tired of the Congress it would have asked loudly for other alternatives : the Leftists or for the new Centrist party AAP ( Aam Aadmi Party ) which is currently ruling Delhi state.

Though the first PM, Nehru, wanted Indians to develop Scientific Temper, he unfortunately left behind an education system where the technical facts are provided without much humanities studies. Result is the citizens, especially middle class, who are not empathetic about the so many injustices and tragedies in the country especially in the last 20 years. For example, if in another big country 300,000+ farmers had committed suicide in a span of ten years, for socio-economic reasons, the youth would have risen in revolt against the system. Sadly not here in India. Yes, Indian youth in the earlier decades had conscience like during the rise of the Naxalite ( Maoist) movement in the 1960s which was about bringing justice to oppressed peasants in Bengal. But most Indian youths now would rather keep their head down, go to college, get some job, get married and of course be extremely religious ( be more so than 15 to 20 years back ).

The great change in Indian society began in the 1980s with the Ram Temple movement of the Hindutvadis and this slowly built up to the current state where the various religious communities became ghettoized to various levels. This is why 73 years after our supposed Independence there is not much of inter-religion marriage. In fact currently there is active opposition to it from the national ruling party.

Lastly, I will present a contradiction : opposition among a lot of the middle class to the progressives / intellectuals and religion-driven banging of eating plates to drive away Corona on the orders of Modi, like this mad woman.

Yes, I agree that India may seem to run but it is a dysfunctional country.
Well summarized, thanks.

I am aware of the slow but steady religious Hindutva movement and the change of India society.

Look back to 50s, 60s. Both China, India and Africa are poor, far poorer than nowadays, but people are more politically passionate, and have faith that we can improve ourselves and get a better society. The intellectuals back then are aware of the danger of western penetration, the filth column.

Look at India now. Fully penetrated by western power, such as industry, media, NGOs, social media, pop culture, financial system, ideology, political science, education, language. India is not an independent country, but China is.

The average Indians look down upon themselves, more or less inferior mentality.

Please correct me if my observation is not true.

China trying to create a new world order. The current one was built by white and maintained for past 200 years. India as well as Russia have a major role of the new world order. But I am very pessimistic that India has a completely different world view.

By and large, India's fate is not decided in New Delhi. The power of India is wide spread across the nation, and world. The west has penetrated and hold quite a lot of leverage over New Delhi.
Ok there is a lot to unpack here. Receiving an education is broader than earning a degree. You don’t need to earn a specialisation in politics in order to decide on what policy manifesto aligns to your needs. I mean, elections in a democracy are on the broad basic principle that the voter needs to be told what your value prop as a potential candidate is, the voter reads your manifesto and makes up their mind, while looking at other such manifestos. Your voters then track your performance while you are in power against the manifesto and then decides if you are worth putting in charge again or not. Now anyone who receives K-12 education, will be able to get through the steps mentioned in abridged version of the democratic process above. Some would have a higher more nuanced understanding, some will have just enough to understand broad aspects.
The simplification on the value prop, or the election promises is in the interest of those who seek to get elected. Hence a doctorate in politics is not required unless you want to become an analyst.
We all knew every US politicians are liars. They are very good at it. and still not be held accountable and reelected again and again.

We are knew most of Indian politicians are corrupted, deeply corrupted. They are very good at it.
Quite a lot of them are criminals to be specific, there are many legal cases against them. But still not be held accountable and reelected again and again.

The MASS are so dumb that they can be manipulated again and again. The wisdoms never comes from MASS, in opposite, great thinking and philosophy comes from a few intelligent heads.

The jobs is finding those intelligent heads. Entitle them and keep them accountable and responsible.
Mass must decide the fate of the nation otherwise it'd be a form of dictatorship. & what you mean it is one man one vote? what is the alternative?
You can have MASS decide your nation fate, but to be honest no nation are doing that except those completely failed states.

In any society, the elites are very aware of the problems of MASS which are short-sighted, emotional, interest driven, etc. Those elites in all nations including Iran will try to control the MASS. and guide the MASS instead of handing out the power.

The so called western liberal democracy did exactly the same. But liberal democracy goes too far, and the MASS has too much power than it should be. That's the problem.

All in all, MASS should be ruled instead of ruling. But it's very important to make sure the MASS has the power to hold the government accountable and responsible. The MASS may not be wise, but at least they are not as evil as politicians. So they should be responsible and entitled for the power to keep government in check.
 
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Wow what a nail-biter.

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So as things stand, even without the Trump camp initiating legal proceedings by claiming states that have been officially called for Biden (Michigan, Wisconsin).. should Trump win Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, he'll be at 265 electoral votes to Biden's 264.

What happens if that happens ?
Sorry buddy, but you have got it all wrong. Biden has 253 electoral votes at present, not 264. The electoral map is from the Associated Press, the AP and the Fox news are the only ones who have called this race. Votes are still being counted in Arizona and there is a bleak chance Trump can overtake Biden’s lead.

You also forgot Nevada (6 electoral) and Alaska (3 electoral).

I strongly believe Biden is going to win Pennsylvania and Nevada and he is going to be our next president.
 
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Sorry buddy, but you have got it all wrong. Biden has 253 electoral votes at present, not 264. The electoral map is from the Associated Press, the AP and the Fox news are the only ones who have called this race. Votes are still being counted in Arizona and there is a bleak chance Trump can overtake Biden’s lead.

You also forgot Nevada (6 electoral) and Alaska (3 electoral).

I strongly believe Biden is going to win Pennsylvania and Nevada and he is going to be our next president.
Yeah, just going off of the goggle (AP) interactive map here. What's a more accurate source ?

Here's my 270towin thing I've been playing with, what did I miss ?

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President Sleepy Joe will be so boring :(

Let's hope Trump can still pull this one off somehow. :D
 
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No political system is perfect.

Democracy grant political representation to the masses and is a better representation of their take on things domestic and abroad.

Centralization can deliver results but at the expense of democratic considerations and resultant soft power.

There are countries where democracy will not deliver results nevertheless. However, counting USA in this list is utter folly.

Plus this is just an aberration due to people having to open and count millions of mail in ballots due to Covid.

All the wankers making it look like this is some institutional issue.
 
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Yeah, just going off of the goggle (AP) interactive map here. What's a more accurate source ?

Here's my 270towin thing I've been playing with, what did I miss ?

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President Sleepy Joe will be so boring :(

Let's hope Trump can still pull this one off somehow. :D
Okay, 270towin electoral map is correct, as I said, Biden has 253 and Trump 214.

The remaining states and their electoral votes:

Alaska. 3

Arizona. 11

Nevada. 6

Georgia. 16

North Carolina. 15

Pennsylvania. 20

If Biden only wins Pennsylvania and lose all other states, he’ll be Mr. Pres. of United States of America. :D
Biden has won the Presidency
Very soon it will be official!
 
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Is India a true democracy ?
It is a true democracy. Next question.
India democracy is a disaster for the past 70 years and now it seems US is joining you.
How is it a disaster, did we devolve into more poverty from 1947? US is not joining anyone, all I see is China joining the Soviets.
China lifted over 800 million people out of poverty, unrivalled by anyone in the whole human history, if this is not positive, I don't know what is.
What's next, China build an aircraft carrier? Soviets send satellites before the US. Lifting people our of poverty faster or slower pace has nothing to do with any of these. The fundamentals of democracy is stronger than any communist regimes, it stands the test of time and spreading with leap and bounds, it may be chaotic but that's in human nature, and hell a lot better than Zombies created by Communism.
 
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NBC called it.

Fox will probably dump Trump and call it too but some anchors might protest.
 
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Biden has gained another thousand votes in Pennsylvania. Most of the mail-in ballots are now coming from Philadelphia and the next batch will soon start coming from Pittsburgh, both are Democrat strongholds.

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I agree those two vids make sense.

Obama was a total establishment deep state stooge, hardly an independent thinker/doer. The man was a showpiece, controlled by the same deep state Clinton Bush deeply embedded interests.

I agree he was a showpiece along with Hillary Clinton, meant to show that America could now have Blacks and Women at the top-most position in the country whatever be the base thinking of those people. Remember Hillary's laughingly said "We came, we saw, he died" in 2011 ?

Trump republicans are different.

and they want to get rid of this "evil" man :tsk:

Well, I never hated Trump though many others did. But he too is not the wisest of leaders ( though he was correct in your second vid ). For example, under his command America is pulling out of Afghanistan but the Taliban will be part of the coming governments there. Why couldn't America listen to Afghan progressives like the SPA ( Solidarity Party of Afghanistan ) and get them into the coming government ? Because the SPA is a leftist group.

So Trump may be better than the Bushes and Obomba but he too has something lacking.

what government on earth will give it's subjects the right to keep and bear arms

Switzerland, the Libyan Jamahiriya.

As the most successful country (so far), they have a duty to maintain a global military presence.

I don't understand this duty. Please explain.

All their wars in the middle east have been aided by other muslim countries in the region.

Well, though this is perhaps off-topic one has to think why these particular participant Muslim-majority countries didn't themselves get invaded by USA ( and NATO ).

In the current American context, senator Sanders, congresswoman AOC and squad etc.. this: https://www.dsausa.org/

Hmm, seems interesting.

I liked this they say :
Capitalism pits us against each other
Very correct.

And this :
and workplaces are fundamentally authoritarian unless workers can self-organize and build collective power. This is why people build unions, and why employers undermine them. It is also why the capitalists as a class constantly promote narratives about unions that frame them as unnecessary, undemocratic, or ineffective. We know better, and we’re building worker power in every region of the country.
reminds me of the time when some years ago I tried to build an employee union. Also, you will find it funny that the American company IBM has a union in America but IBM-India does not. We need to think why. Many middle-class white-collar Indian youth do not take social responsibility.


Where did I say anything of the sort ?

We ARE much better off as a country than we were 70 years ago just post Independence from the Raj. This is objective reality.

Part of the development is because the world itself has moved and part is because of the steps that Nehru, Ambedkar and comrades had taken.

Yet things like oppression against Dalits, women, peasants, Muslims, intellectuals remain.

No, we're a democracy. BJP fascism fears are overblown and not reality but that is to be expected from the left and other opposition such as Islamists.

What suddenly flipped in 2014 when we elected Modi ? Nothing.

Why would the Ghandy dynasty rule over us for 50+ years if most of the country were "irrational prejudiced people" ?

I will give an example of the change. Nowadays there are web series' in India with foul language. That is tolerated. But there are certain films that simply cannot be made. Can Jaane Bhi Do Yaaro with its final drama scene be made now ? Can a film portraying the Naxals in fairly critiquing light be made ?

Another example. What about inter-caste and inter-religion marriages ? Can these be done now without the right-wingers raising hue and cry ?

What about the open rallies in Jammu by BJP supporters in favor of the Kathua rape / torture culprit ? BJP raised hue and cry about the Palghar lynching but didn't raise voice in favor of Rohith Vemula.

In media trolls and warmongers like Arnab Goswami are being felicitated while good journalists are being harassed, arrested and their offices shutdown.

Lynchers are fearless.

All these things are now done openly, without fear of legal retribution.

It is a true democracy. Next question.

I will continue with the same question.

India has so many political parties with so many conflicting political, social and economic views. Many quite regressive.

Every five years there is the general election where the next central government is selected. People cast votes and the candidate of the party with the highest number ( majority ) of votes forms the government. Simple question, what about those people whose candidate and party did not win because his party got minority votes ? What if some of these latter citizens had good ideas for the country ? They have to wait for five more years to try to get their choice of party into government. Even then there might be chance that their candidate might not win and the one who wins could be through demagogy.

Now extend this unscientific system to the 28 states in India. What we have is chaos. 73 years of it.

Which is why we still have socio-economic ills in India like hunger deaths, suicides, homelessness, honor killing etc. All this in year 2020. Certain people had said that India would become a "superpower" by 2012 and then 2020. And here we are in 2020 having a migrant laborer woman dying of hunger at a railway station.

Have India's people ( your "democracy" maintainers ) made the right choices for 73 years ?

Contrast this with say the system that Libya had until 2011. Direct democracy tempered and guided by socialism. No hunger, no homelessness. Their political arrangement was called The Third Universal Theory aka Jamahiriya which you can read here. The Aam Aadmi Party ( AAP ) and Swaraj Abhiyan group in India have a somewhat similar system called Swaraj. The Libyan political system had no parties and no five-yearly government elections. The people ruled directly.
 
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It is a true democracy. Next question.

How is it a disaster, did we devolve into more poverty from 1947? US is not joining anyone, all I see is China joining the Soviets.

What's next, China build an aircraft carrier? Soviets send satellites before the US. Lifting people our of poverty faster or slower pace has nothing to do with any of these. The fundamentals of democracy is stronger than any communist regimes, it stands the test of time and spreading with leap and bounds, it may be chaotic but that's in human nature, and hell a lot better than Zombies created by Communism.
Hitler was elected by one man one vote under Constitution of the Weimar Republic.
 
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it stands the test of time and spreading with leap and bounds, it may be chaotic but that's in human nature, and hell a lot better than Zombies created by Communism.
Disciplines are one of the key factors for human success, besides, today's India is indeed a zombie state, see how many new infections you get daily.
 
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Simple question, what about those people whose candidate and party did not win because his party got minority votes ? What if some of these latter citizens had good ideas for the country ? They have to wait for five more years to try to get their choice of party into government. Even then there might be chance that their candidate might not win and the one who wins could be through demagogy.
That's how it should be, let the majority decide what's best for all. There are a lot of good ideas, but workable ideas are pitched and if the public approves it, then they're the ones who win. Good or bad, you have to trust the system and there are checks and balances for such a system. Every other system runs on these checks and balances, be it Monarchy or Communist countries. To avoid demagogy we have more than one candidate, that is there are 540+ candidates in India.

Which is why we still have socio-economic ills in India like hunger deaths, suicides, homelessness, honor killing etc. All this in year 2020. Certain people had said that India would become a "superpower" by 2012 and then 2020. And here we are in 2020 having a migrant laborer woman dying of hunger at a railway station.

Have India's people ( your "democracy" maintainers ) made the right choices for 73 years ?

Contrast this with say the system that Libya had until 2011. Direct democracy tempered and guided by socialism. No hunger, no homelessness. Their political arrangement was called The Third Universal Theory aka Jamahiriya which you can read here. The Aam Aadmi Party ( AAP ) and Swaraj Abhiyan group in India have a somewhat similar system called Swaraj. The Libyan political system had no parties and no five-yearly government elections. The people ruled directly.
We are in this peril because of the way we inherited this country and the following governments. There can be zero blame to the democracy for that, without democracy how do you plan to rule a country who speak a different language, have different religions and customs, who have varying social and economical levels?

Give me one country that has no poor people. Poverty again is a result of bad choices you make or you are born poor and continue to stay that way due to millions of reasons. There is no utopia in the world, the best system so far that has been able to give a sense of belonging has been a democracy, no other system will give you that. The moment you vote, regardless if you are rich or poor is how you are reminded you are part of the process which decides the fate of the country by electing its rulers. And that's how it should be in a country like India. Jamahiriya system can be tested in townships like Auroville and see the results for yourself. For the rest of the country, democracy is fine.
 
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