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Trump is effectively destroying his relationships with Senate and House Republicans, the very people he needs to advance his agenda. He's also threatening to shutdown the government if the wall isn't funded. Good luck with that Donnie.

An wait, I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall? What gives?
 
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Trump is effectively destroying his relationships with Senate and House Republicans, the very people he needs to advance his agenda. He's also threatening to shutdown the government if the wall isn't funded. Good luck with that Donnie.

An wait, I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall? What gives?
I mean, Trump could theoretically get Mexico to pay for the wall ... via increased (and illegal) tariffs on Mexican exports that could seriously damage trade relations. I don't believe Trump was "ridiculous" on claiming to shut down the government; much of his supporter base voted for him based on his campaign promise and doing so would alleviate their concerns.
 
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Trump is effectively destroying his relationships with Senate and House Republicans, the very people he needs to advance his agenda. He's also threatening to shutdown the government if the wall isn't funded. Good luck with that Donnie.

An wait, I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall? What gives?

President Trump seems to be of the belief that the Senate and House work for him.

Like they're his employees or something.
 
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It's still embarrassing. :D
Grandstanding is what it is.

Very entertaining though, great fun to watch. The man ran an insurgent campaign and now he's taking on the swamp on both sides of the isle in an insurgent manner. He's solidifying his 'outsider' credentials with stuff like the Phoenix rally.

Trump might end up doing a lot of good for the world if he can keep the neocons at bay.
 
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Grandstanding is what it is.

Very entertaining though, great fun to watch. The man ran an insurgent campaign and now he's taking on the swamp on both sides of the isle in an insurgent manner. He's solidifying his 'outsider' credentials with stuff like the Phoenix rally.

Trump might end up doing a lot of good for the world if he can keep the neocons at bay.
Whatya mean by neo-cons? The Cheney neo-cons or the dumb alt-right "neo-cons"? American politics is radically fwacked up these days ... The alt-right (or wannabe Nazis) are what Trump needs to counter ...
 
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Whatya mean by neo-cons? The Cheney neo-cons or the dumb alt-right "neo-cons"? American politics is radically fwacked up these days ... The alt-right (or wannabe Nazis) are what Trump needs to counter ...
John McCancer and Lindsey Graham et all, the perpetual war and regime change hawks.

Non interventionism is the one thing the alt right actually gets right, you can't fault them on that one. What is the alt-right anyway ? Used to be non pc kids posting pepe memes and trolling back during the early days of his campaign, the term got co-opted later by the likes of Richard Spencer causing many within the original movement to distance themselves from the identitarians, these are the non racist alt-lite/ new right.
 
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From PPP's latest poll:


Trump, His Promises, and 2020


Trump continues to be unpopular, with a 40/53 approval spread. Voters think he has failed on two of the core promises of his campaign. Only 15% believe he has been successful in 'draining the swamp,' to 64% who say he hasn't. Even among Trump's own voters just 26% think he has delivered on this promise to 53% who say he hasn't. When it comes to whether Trump has come through on 'Making America Great Again,' just 33% of voters say he has to 59% who say he hasn't.

Some of Trump's issues are related to policy. For instance only 31% of voters agree with his edict to ban transgender individuals from the military, to 57% who oppose it. Similarly only 34% of voters support his proposed wall with Mexico, to 55% of voters who oppose it.

Trump also has issues with how voters feel about his character. Only 39% think he is honest, to 55% who say he is not. In fact 49% of voters come right out and call Trump a liar, with only 43% disagreeing with that characterization. By a 39/34 spread voters express the belief that Trump is more corrupt than Richard Nixon.

Another thing hurting Trump's standing is a perceived lack of transparency. 61% of voters still think he should release his tax returns to 33% who don't think it's necessary for him to. In fact by a 55/31 spread voters support a law requiring the release of 5 years of tax returns for a Presidential candidate to even appear on the ballot.

The upshot of all this is for the fourth month in a row we find a plurality of voters in support of impeaching Trump- 48% say he should be impeached to 41% who disagree. And there continues to be a significant yearning for a return to the days of President Obama- 52% of voters say they wish Obama was still President to only 39% who prefer having Trump in the White House.

Trump continues to trail both Bernie Sanders (51/38) and Joe Biden (51/39) by double digits in possible 2020 match ups. PPP never found Hillary Clinton up by more than 7 points on Trump in 2016. Sanders and Biden each win over 12-14% of the folks who voted for Trump last year. Also leading Trump in hypothetical contests at this point are Elizabeth Warren (45/40), Mark Cuban (42/38), and Cory Booker and Trump Twitter Target Richard Blumenthal (42/39). Trump ties Kamala Harris at 39% each and John Delaney at 38% each.

Generally speaking just 57% of Republicans want Trump to be the party's nominee again in 2020 to 29% who say they would prefer someone else. That 28 point margin for Trump against 'someone else' is the same as his 28 point lead over Mike Pence at 52/24. Both Ted Cruz (a 40 point deficit to Trump at 62/22) and John Kasich (a 47 point deficit to Trump at 68/21) are evidently weaker potential opponents than 'someone else.'


Trump and the Media

With the absence of a 'Crooked Hillary,' 'Lying Ted,' 'Little Marco,' or 'Low Energy Jeb' to use as his foil while President, Trump has taken to attacking various media outlets as his new foes. He's losing to them in a way that he never trailed during the campaign in our polling though:

Who do you trust more: Donald Trump or _____

Winner

ABC

ABC, 53/35

CBS

CBS, 53/35

NBC

NBC, 53/35

New York Times

New York Times, 53/36

Washington Post

Washington Post, 51/36

CNN

CNN, 50/35

And suffice it to say, Trump's attacks on Amazon aren't having much impact on the company's image. 60% of voters see the company favorably to only 13% with a negative opinion of it. Amazon gets positive reviews from Clinton voters (67/9) and Trump voters (53/20) alike.

Full results here
 
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The upshot of all this is for the fourth month in a row we find a plurality of voters in support of impeaching Trump- 48% say he should be impeached to 41% who disagree. And there continues to be a significant yearning for a return to the days of President Obama- 52% of voters say they wish Obama was still President to only 39% who prefer having Trump in the White House.

48% support his impeachment even based on nothing solid enough that would be required to impeach him lol!
"Just impeach him, we don't care why just find something and do it!" A lot of his supporters seem to be thinking twice now.

And 48% yearning for Obama says a lot. But then again, counters will claim polling isn't indicative of reality.
I think A LOT of people have forgotten and are slowly being reminded of what Obama inherited and the adversity of his first term. Worst, who's reaping the benefits of his successful 8-year presidency and turn-around, besides us, and who's taking the false credit for it? Ugh.

Trump continues to trail both Bernie Sanders (51/38) and Joe Biden (51/39) by double digits in possible 2020 match ups. PPP never found Hillary Clinton up by more than 7 points on Trump in 2016. Sanders and Biden each win over 12-14% of the folks who voted for Trump last year. Also leading Trump in hypothetical contests at this point are Elizabeth Warren (45/40), Mark Cuban (42/38), and Cory Booker and Trump Twitter Target Richard Blumenthal (42/39). Trump ties Kamala Harris at 39% each and John Delaney at 38% each.

You know you're in trouble when you're surpassed by Elizabeth Warren (we know her quite well here in MA lol) and Mark Cuban? :lol:

And suffice it to say, Trump's attacks on Amazon aren't having much impact on the company's image. 60% of voters see the company favorably to only 13% with a negative opinion of it. Amazon gets positive reviews from Clinton voters (67/9) and Trump voters (53/20) alike.

If anything, his attacks on Amazon have probably increased its status. If I'm not mistaken, Amazon is #1 in sales and is on the way to forcing Sears and K-mart to close. Maybe it's part of his "genius" plan that we're all missing.

I wonder if Biden will run in 2020. This might be his best chance with the way things are going.
 
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Thanks to White House chief of staff, Gen Kelly, Bannon’s ally, Sebastian Gorka is shown the door. :enjoy:

Sebastian Gorka, a fiery nationalist and Bannon ally, abruptly exits White House

By Philip Rucker August 25 2017

Sebastian Gorka, a controversial White House staffer who served as a fiery spokesman for President Trump on national security matters, abruptly left the administration on Friday as his nationalist faction was being silenced, four people briefed on Gorka’s exit confirmed.

Gorka, a deputy assistant to the president, is a close ally of former chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon, who departed the White House last week. Together they saw their roles as enabling and promoting the president’s combative populism and revolutionary impulses.

Although Trump enjoyed watching his cable television appearances, in which he performed like a pit bull and taunted many news anchors for peddling what he and the president deemed “fake news,” Gorka had run afoul of many of his colleagues, including some on the National Security Council who considered him a fringe figure.

Officials said it was widely known that White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly, who has been restructuring the West Wing to stem infighting and chaos within the staff, was eager for Gorka to depart the administration.

While Gorka publicly released a resignation letter expressing his displeasure with the changes that he felt left his faction silenced, two White House officials insisted Gorka did not resign but rather was forced out. A third White House official said the “writing was on the wall” that Kelly wanted Gorka to leave.

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White House deputy assistant to the president

Gorka’s departure spells the end of the Bannon era inside the White House, though he indicated he intended to be a potent force outside the administration.

Gorka previously worked at Breitbart News alongside Bannon, who rejoined the conservative news organization last week as executive chairman vowing to wage war against anyone — including West Wing officials — who stand in the way of Trump’s nationalist agenda.

Gorka did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Friday evening. The Federalist, which first reported Gorka’s departure, published what it says was Gorka’s resignation letter to Trump. Someone close to Gorka confirmed the letter’s authenticity to The Washington Post.

It was unclear whether Gorka shared his letter with anyone besides The Federalist. One White House official said that Gorka spoke with Kelly on Friday to discuss his exit and asked to visit Trump in person on Monday to hand him a departure letter, but was not granted that permission.

“It is clear to me that forces that do not support the [Make America Great Again] promise are — for now — ascendant within the White House,” he wrote. “As a result, the best and most effective way I can support you, Mr. President, is from outside the People’s House.”

Gorka cited Trump’s speech Monday night announcing a new strategy for the war in Afghanistan.

“The fact that those who drafted and approved the speech removed any mention of Radical Islam or radical Islamic terrorism proves that a crucial element of your presidential campaign has been lost,” Gorka wrote.

He added, “Just as worrying, when discussing our future actions in the region, the speech listed operational objectives without ever defining the strategic victory conditions we are fighting for. This omission should seriously disturb any national security professional, and any American who is unsatisfied with the last 16 years of disastrous policy decisions which have led to thousands of Americans killed and trillions of taxpayer dollars spent in ways that have not brought security or victory.”

Born in England to Hungarian parents, Gorka, 46, is known for his hard-line stands on Islam and his past involvement in right-wing Hungarian politics.

He was recruited into the White House as a senior member of the Strategic Initiatives Group, an internal think tank that was to report to Bannon and Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser. But the group quickly disbanded, leaving Gorka without a clear portfolio.







 
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Trump’s business sought deal on a Trump Tower in Moscow while he ran for president

While Donald Trump was running for president in late 2015 and early 2016, his company was pursuing a plan to develop a massive Trump Tower in Moscow, according to several people familiar with the proposal and new records reviewed by Trump Organization lawyers.

As part of the discussions, a Russian-born real estate developer urged Trump to come to Moscow to tout the proposal and suggested that he could get President Vladimir Putin to say “great things” about Trump, according to several people who have been briefed on his correspondence.

The developer, Felix Sater, predicted in a November 2015 email that he and Trump Organization leaders would soon be celebrating — both one of the biggest residential projects in real estate history and Donald Trump’s election as president, according to two of the people with knowledge of the exchange.

Sater wrote to Trump Organization Executive Vice President Michael Cohen, “something to the effect of, ‘Can you believe two guys from Brooklyn are going to elect a president?’ ” said one person briefed on the email exchange. Sater emigrated from what was then the Soviet Union when he was 6 and grew up in Brooklyn.


Trump never went to Moscow as Sater proposed. And although investors and Trump’s company signed a letter of intent, they lacked the land and permits to proceed and the project was abandoned at the end of January 2016, just before the presidential primaries began, several people familiar with the proposal said.


Nevertheless, the details of the deal, which have not previously been disclosed, provide evidence that Trump’s business was actively pursuing significant commercial interests in Russia at the same time he was campaigning to be president — and in a position to determine U.S.-Russia relations. The new details from the emails, which are scheduled to be turned over to congressional investigators soon, also point to the likelihood of additional contacts between Russia-connected individuals and Trump associates during his presidential bid.

White House officials declined to comment for this report. Cohen, a longtime Trump aide who remains Trump’s personal attorney, and his lawyer have also declined to comment.


In recent months, contacts between high-ranking and lower- level Trump aides and Russians have emerged. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, then a U.S. senator and campaign adviser, twice met Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

Donald Trump Jr. organized a June 2016 meeting with campaign aide Jared Kushner, campaign manager Paul Manafort and a Russian lawyer after the president’s eldest son was promised that the lawyer would bring damaging information about Hillary Clinton as part of a Russian government effort to help the campaign.

Internal emails also show campaign adviser George Papadopoulos repeatedly sought to organize meetings with campaign officials, including Trump, and Putin or other Russians. His efforts were rebuffed.

The negotiations for the Moscow project ended before Trump’s business ties to Russia had become a major issue in the campaign. Trump denied having any business connections to Russia in July 2016, tweeting, “for the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia” and then insisting at a news conference the following day, “I have nothing to do with Russia.”

Discussions about the Moscow project began in earnest in September 2015, according to people briefed on the deal. An unidentified investor planned to build the project and, under a licensing agreement, put Trump’s name on it. Cohen acted as a lead negotiator for the Trump Organization. It is unclear how involved or aware Trump was of the negotiations.

As the talks progressed, Trump voiced numerous supportive comments about Putin, setting himself apart from his Republican rivals for the nomination.

By the end of 2015, Putin began offering praise in return.

“He says that he wants to move to another, closer level of relations. Can we really not welcome that? Of course, we welcome that,” Putin told reporters during his annual end-of-the year news conference. He called Trump a “colorful and talented” person. Trump said afterward that the compliment was an “honor.”

Though Putin’s comments came shortly after Sater suggested that the Russian president would speak favorably about Trump, there is no indication that the two are connected.

There is no public record that Trump has ever spoken about the effort to build a Trump Tower in 2015 and 2016.

Trump’s interests in building in Moscow, however, are long-standing. He had attempted to build a Trump property for three decades, starting with a failed effort in 1987 to partner with the Soviet government on a hotel project.

“Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment,” he said in a 2007 court deposition.

“We will be in Moscow at some point,” he promised in the deposition.

Sater was involved in at least one of those previous efforts. In 2005, the Trump Organization gave his development company, the Bayrock Group, an exclusive one-year deal to attempt to build a Moscow Trump Tower. Sater located a site for the project — an abandoned pencil factory — and worked closely with Trump on the deal, which did not come to fruition.

In an unrelated court case in 2008, Sater said in a deposition that he would personally provide Trump “verbal updates” on the deal.

“When I’d come back, pop my head into Mr. Trump’s office and tell him, you know, ‘Moving forward on the Moscow deal.’ And he would say, ‘All right,’ ” Sater said.

In the same testimony, Sater described traveling with Trump’s children, including joining Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. on a trip to Moscow at their father’s request.

“They were on their way by themselves, and he was all concerned,” Sater said. “He asked if I wouldn’t mind joining them and looking after them while they were in Moscow.”

Alan Garten, a lawyer for the Trump Organization, told The Washington Post last year that Sater happened to be in Moscow at the same time as Trump’s two adult children. “There was no accompanying them to Moscow,” he said.

Neither Sater nor his attorney responded to requests for comment.

Trump has repeatedly tried to distance himself from Sater, who served time in jail after assaulting a man with the stem of a broken margarita glass during a 1991 bar fight and then pleaded guilty in 1998 to his role in an organized- crime-linked stock fraud. Sater’s sentencing was delayed for years while he cooperated with the federal government on a series of criminal and national security-related investigations, federal officials have said.

During that time, Sater worked as an executive with Bayrock, whose offices were in Trump Tower, and brokered deals to license Trump’s name for developments in multiple U.S. and foreign cities. In 2010, Trump allowed Sater to briefly work out of Trump Organization office space and use a business card that identified him as a “senior adviser to Donald Trump.”

Still, when asked about Sater in 2013 court deposition, Trump said: “If he were sitting in the room right now, I really wouldn’t know what he looked like.” He added that he had spoken with Sater “not many” times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.b23dd7bae11f

But Trump said he's got nothing to do with Russia? What gives?
 
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'We Are Living Through a Battle for the Soul of This Nation'

The former vice president calls on Americans to do what President Trump has not.


JOE BIDEN AUG 27, 2017

In January of 2009, I stood waiting in Wilmington, Delaware, for a train carrying the first African American elected president of the United States. I was there to join him as vice president on the way to a historic Inauguration. It was a moment of extraordinary hope for our nation—but I couldn’t help thinking about a darker time years before at that very site.

My mind’s eye drifted back to 1968. I could see the flames burning Wilmington, the violence erupting on the news of Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination, the federal troops taking over my city.

I was living history—and reliving it—at the same time. And the images racing through my mind were a vivid demonstration that when it comes to race in America, hope doesn’t travel alone. It’s shadowed by a long trail of violence and hate.

In Charlottesville, that long trail emerged once again into plain view not only for America, but for the whole world to see. The crazed, angry faces illuminated by torches. The chants echoing the same anti-Semitic bile heard across Europe in the 1930s. The neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and white supremacists emerging from dark rooms and remote fields and the anonymity of the web into the bright light of day on the streets of a historically significant American city.

If it wasn’t clear before, it’s clear now: We are living through a battle for the soul of this nation.

The giant forward steps we have taken in recent years on civil liberties and civil rights and human rights are being met by a ferocious pushback from the oldest and darkest forces in America. Are we really surprised they rose up? Are we really surprised they lashed back? Did we really think they would be extinguished with a whimper rather than a fight?

Did we think the charlatans and the con-men and the false prophets who have long dotted our history wouldn’t revisit us, once again prop up the immigrant as the source of all our troubles, and look to prey on the hopelessness and despair that has grown up in the hollowed-out cities and towns of Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and the long-forgotten rural stretches of West Virginia and Kentucky?

We have fought this battle before—but today we have a special challenge.

Today we have an American president who has publicly proclaimed a moral equivalency between neo-Nazis and Klansmen and those who would oppose their venom and hate.

We have an American president who has emboldened white supremacists with messages of comfort and support.

This is a moment for this nation to declare what the president can’t with any clarity, consistency, or conviction: There is no place for these hate groups in America. Hatred of blacks, Jews, immigrants—all who are seen as “the other”—won’t be accepted or tolerated or given safe harbor anywhere in this nation.

That’s the America I know. That’s who I believe we are. And in the hours and days after Charlottesville, America’s moral conscience began to stir. The nation’s military leadership immediately took a firm stand. Some of America’s most prominent CEOs spoke out. Political, community, and faith leaders raised their voices. Charitable organizations have begun to take a stand. And we should never forget the courage of that small group of University of Virginia students who stared down the mob and its torches on that Friday night.

The greatness of America is that—not always at first, and sometimes at enormous pain and cost—we have always met Lincoln’s challenge to embrace the “better angels of our nature.” Our history is proof of what King said—the long arc of history does “bend towards justice.”

A week after Charlottesville, in Boston, we saw the truth of America: Those with the courage to oppose hate far outnumber those who promote it.

Then a week after Boston, we saw the truth of this president: He won’t stop. His contempt for the U.S. Constitution and willingness to divide this nation knows no bounds. Now he’s pardoned a law-enforcement official who terrorized the Latino community, violated its constitutional rights, defied a federal court order to stop, and ran a prison system so rife with torture and abuse he himself called it a “concentration camp.”

You, me, and the citizens of this country carry a special burden in 2017. We have to do what our president has not. We have to uphold America’s values. We have to do what he will not. We have to defend our Constitution. We have to remember our kids are watching. We have to show the world America is still a beacon of light.

Joined together, we are more than 300 million strong. Joined together, we will win this battle for our soul. Because if there’s one thing I know about the American people, it’s this: When it has mattered most, they have never let this nation down. Link







Only that this one will last a good 8 long years, obongo isn't coming back, and muller has nothing. :enjoy:
Looking at his seven months disastrous record, one can clearly see that he is more isolated than ever, almost every poll shows that he’s lost the support of majority of independents and without the support of independent voters he has no chance of getting re-elected.

You are right, Obama is not coming back, but his election victories record:

2008, electoral vote 365, popular vote 69.5 million.

2012, electoral vote 332, popular vote 65.9 million. Link No matter what, Trump will never be able to overcome, that’s for sure! :enjoy:

I don’t have a crystal ball to predict the outcome of Robert Mueller’s investigation, but looking at the developments in the investigation, I don’t think it would be wise to just reject it off the cuff.

And now the million-dollar question, what is your secret for getting banned almost every week? :D
 
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Trump’s business sought deal on a Trump Tower in Moscow while he ran for president

While Donald Trump was running for president in late 2015 and early 2016, his company was pursuing a plan to develop a massive Trump Tower in Moscow, according to several people familiar with the proposal and new records reviewed by Trump Organization lawyers.

As part of the discussions, a Russian-born real estate developer urged Trump to come to Moscow to tout the proposal and suggested that he could get President Vladimir Putin to say “great things” about Trump, according to several people who have been briefed on his correspondence.

The developer, Felix Sater, predicted in a November 2015 email that he and Trump Organization leaders would soon be celebrating — both one of the biggest residential projects in real estate history and Donald Trump’s election as president, according to two of the people with knowledge of the exchange.

Sater wrote to Trump Organization Executive Vice President Michael Cohen, “something to the effect of, ‘Can you believe two guys from Brooklyn are going to elect a president?’ ” said one person briefed on the email exchange. Sater emigrated from what was then the Soviet Union when he was 6 and grew up in Brooklyn.


Trump never went to Moscow as Sater proposed. And although investors and Trump’s company signed a letter of intent, they lacked the land and permits to proceed and the project was abandoned at the end of January 2016, just before the presidential primaries began, several people familiar with the proposal said.


Nevertheless, the details of the deal, which have not previously been disclosed, provide evidence that Trump’s business was actively pursuing significant commercial interests in Russia at the same time he was campaigning to be president — and in a position to determine U.S.-Russia relations. The new details from the emails, which are scheduled to be turned over to congressional investigators soon, also point to the likelihood of additional contacts between Russia-connected individuals and Trump associates during his presidential bid.

White House officials declined to comment for this report. Cohen, a longtime Trump aide who remains Trump’s personal attorney, and his lawyer have also declined to comment.


In recent months, contacts between high-ranking and lower- level Trump aides and Russians have emerged. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, then a U.S. senator and campaign adviser, twice met Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

Donald Trump Jr. organized a June 2016 meeting with campaign aide Jared Kushner, campaign manager Paul Manafort and a Russian lawyer after the president’s eldest son was promised that the lawyer would bring damaging information about Hillary Clinton as part of a Russian government effort to help the campaign.

Internal emails also show campaign adviser George Papadopoulos repeatedly sought to organize meetings with campaign officials, including Trump, and Putin or other Russians. His efforts were rebuffed.

The negotiations for the Moscow project ended before Trump’s business ties to Russia had become a major issue in the campaign. Trump denied having any business connections to Russia in July 2016, tweeting, “for the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia” and then insisting at a news conference the following day, “I have nothing to do with Russia.”

Discussions about the Moscow project began in earnest in September 2015, according to people briefed on the deal. An unidentified investor planned to build the project and, under a licensing agreement, put Trump’s name on it. Cohen acted as a lead negotiator for the Trump Organization. It is unclear how involved or aware Trump was of the negotiations.

As the talks progressed, Trump voiced numerous supportive comments about Putin, setting himself apart from his Republican rivals for the nomination.

By the end of 2015, Putin began offering praise in return.

“He says that he wants to move to another, closer level of relations. Can we really not welcome that? Of course, we welcome that,” Putin told reporters during his annual end-of-the year news conference. He called Trump a “colorful and talented” person. Trump said afterward that the compliment was an “honor.”

Though Putin’s comments came shortly after Sater suggested that the Russian president would speak favorably about Trump, there is no indication that the two are connected.

There is no public record that Trump has ever spoken about the effort to build a Trump Tower in 2015 and 2016.

Trump’s interests in building in Moscow, however, are long-standing. He had attempted to build a Trump property for three decades, starting with a failed effort in 1987 to partner with the Soviet government on a hotel project.

“Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment,” he said in a 2007 court deposition.

“We will be in Moscow at some point,” he promised in the deposition.

Sater was involved in at least one of those previous efforts. In 2005, the Trump Organization gave his development company, the Bayrock Group, an exclusive one-year deal to attempt to build a Moscow Trump Tower. Sater located a site for the project — an abandoned pencil factory — and worked closely with Trump on the deal, which did not come to fruition.

In an unrelated court case in 2008, Sater said in a deposition that he would personally provide Trump “verbal updates” on the deal.

“When I’d come back, pop my head into Mr. Trump’s office and tell him, you know, ‘Moving forward on the Moscow deal.’ And he would say, ‘All right,’ ” Sater said.

In the same testimony, Sater described traveling with Trump’s children, including joining Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. on a trip to Moscow at their father’s request.

“They were on their way by themselves, and he was all concerned,” Sater said. “He asked if I wouldn’t mind joining them and looking after them while they were in Moscow.”

Alan Garten, a lawyer for the Trump Organization, told The Washington Post last year that Sater happened to be in Moscow at the same time as Trump’s two adult children. “There was no accompanying them to Moscow,” he said.

Neither Sater nor his attorney responded to requests for comment.

Trump has repeatedly tried to distance himself from Sater, who served time in jail after assaulting a man with the stem of a broken margarita glass during a 1991 bar fight and then pleaded guilty in 1998 to his role in an organized- crime-linked stock fraud. Sater’s sentencing was delayed for years while he cooperated with the federal government on a series of criminal and national security-related investigations, federal officials have said.

During that time, Sater worked as an executive with Bayrock, whose offices were in Trump Tower, and brokered deals to license Trump’s name for developments in multiple U.S. and foreign cities. In 2010, Trump allowed Sater to briefly work out of Trump Organization office space and use a business card that identified him as a “senior adviser to Donald Trump.”

Still, when asked about Sater in 2013 court deposition, Trump said: “If he were sitting in the room right now, I really wouldn’t know what he looked like.” He added that he had spoken with Sater “not many” times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.b23dd7bae11f

But Trump said he's got nothing to do with Russia? What gives?


Do you liberals ever get tired of your lies? Why should we believe this when almost literally everything the liberal media has claimed about Trump was a hoax?

He didn't pay taxes in over 20 year remember? In reality he payed 32 million in a single year. The Russian hotel tapes are a complete hoax as well. Even James Comey testified that he never claimed Trump asked him to stop an investigation like the media was claiming. Then the media claimed Trump was lying about being wire taped when he was actually under surveillance and the media as well as Obama was the one lying. The list is dismal, leftist media is less credible then the National Enquirer. There is undercover video of CNN producers and staff admitting they are spreading "bullshit" about Russia for ratings :lol:



When you liberal are not too busy making up fake news stories you are busy talking about Trumps skin color (who is racist again) too busy praising Antifa, too busy denying Antifa causes violence, too busy praising the assasination of a Russian diplomat, too busy making up hysteria about some fantom Nazis that are poping up out of everyone's bed and in general the leftist are too busy attacking Trumps family and mocking his wife's accent accent (again who is racists)?
 
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Looking at his seven months disastrous record, one can clearly see that he is more isolated than ever, almost every poll shows that he’s lost the support of majority of independents and without the support of independent voters he has no chance of getting re-elected.
Not at all, as far as the Trump voters go:

he pulled out of the TPP his first? day in office.

he got out of the Paris climate thing. (yes, this is a win for a lot of people on the other side, both blue and white collar)

he got an uber literalist conservative judge into your supreme court. no small thing, for such an appointment will far outlast president Trump's own time in office, and probably his lifetime.

he got the supreme court to go along with his travel ban from enemy nation Iran plus the other failed terror ravaged states.

don't go by the polls, remember how horribly wrong they had it earlier ? :toast_sign:

You are right, Obama is not coming back, but his election victories record:

2008, electoral vote 365, popular vote 69.5 million.

2012, electoral vote 332, popular vote 65.9 million. Link No matter what, Trump will never be able to overcome, that’s for sure! :enjoy:
You do realize that a lot of those same "white" voters flipped for Trump in a lot of those formerly democrat party bastions, right ? The slim margins mean nothing, he pulled off the impossible.

Trump is a populist, and socially he's a liberal.. for example he's way more relaxed on the gay issue than Obama, who had to wait for years before he went all in. Yes, he banned "trans" frrom your military and Mike Pence is his VP but Trump will never go after gay marriage for instance. Those are victories that the libs have won, not open for debate, a win for personal liberty etc.

I don’t have a crystal ball to predict the outcome of Robert Mueller’s investigation, but looking at the developments in the investigation, I don’t think it would be wise to just reject it off the cuff.

Muller's got nothing on the president, at most they'll try and force nail Flynn or Manafort or someone like that on petty (or srs) charges.

That whole story is BS, Trump is an American nationalist, not a russian anything.

And now the million-dollar question, what is your secret for getting banned almost every week? :D
talking shit about saudi arabia and related topics ? :angel:
 
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