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This one was the best, kudos to the creator haha:
I agree.
She doesn't seem to be taking much responsibility for her performance in the election.
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Ex-DNC aide hits back hard at Clinton, says her campaign ignored data on Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin
By Aaron Blake
Hillary Clinton has found plenty of non-Hillary Clinton things to blame for her 2016 loss, including Russia, James B. Comey, debate moderators and misogyny. But her decision Wednesday to add the Democratic National Committee to that list is predictably proving pretty sensitive inside her own party.
A top former DNC aide tweeted overnight that Clinton's allegations were “f‑‑‑ing bulls‑‑‑” and even suggested that the Clinton campaign ignored its warnings about how competitive Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were. Those three states proved decisive for President Trump and, especially in the case of Michigan and Wisconsin, were neglected by the Clinton campaign.
In a Wednesday appearance at Recode's Code Conference in California, Clinton pointed to the DNC's data deficit when she became the Democratic nominee.
“I set up my campaign and we have our own data operation. I get the nomination. So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party,” Clinton said, according to a transcript. “I mean it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency, its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. I had to inject money into it — the DNC — to keep it going.”
Andrew Therriault, who served as the DNC's director of data science and now works for the City of Boston, took exception to Clinton's criticisms in tweets that have since been deleted.
A top former DNC aide tweeted overnight that Clinton's allegations were “f‑‑‑ing bulls‑‑‑” and even suggested that the Clinton campaign ignored its warnings about how competitive Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were. Those three states proved decisive for President Trump and, especially in the case of Michigan and Wisconsin, were neglected by the Clinton campaign.
In a Wednesday appearance at Recode's Code Conference in California, Clinton pointed to the DNC's data deficit when she became the Democratic nominee.
“I set up my campaign and we have our own data operation. I get the nomination. So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party,” Clinton said, according to a transcript. “I mean it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency, its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. I had to inject money into it — the DNC — to keep it going.”
Andrew Therriault, who served as the DNC's director of data science and now works for the City of Boston, took exception to Clinton's criticisms in tweets that have since been deleted.
Another Therriault tweet captured by the Tax Foundation's Alan Cole and another Twitter user pointed to the Clinton campaign ignoring DNC warnings about Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Therriault said the DNC data never had those states as “even close to safe,” but the Clinton team “thought they knew better.”
It's important to note here that Therriault left the DNC midway through 2016, so he's not necessarily privy to late DNC data in those states. But he seems to be saying that the DNC saw early in the general election what the Clinton campaign failed to really ever see. Clinton never made a concerted effort in Michigan or Wisconsin, and these two states and Pennsylvania proved the difference after they each went by less than a point for Trump.
And his broader criticism that Clinton's complaints don't add up was echoed by other top Democratic data types, including Tom Bonier:
And here's John Hagner, a former aide to the DNC and Democrats' House and Senate campaign committees:
Clinton's rehashing of the 2016 election results and the reasons she lost that were outside her control have become a regular feature of her public appearances and apparently will account for a significant portion of her forthcoming book. But there is also an emerging divide inside the Democratic Party about whether her continued presence on the national political stage is helping her party move forward.
Witness this from the New Republic from last week. And here's Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel's tortured response this weekend when asked if Clinton running for president again would be good for the party.
Whatever you think about Clinton's excuses for her loss and how credible they are, it's clear this whole thing is threatening to expose some real rifts within a Democratic Party that is also eager to move forward. And now that Clinton is casting blame upon her own national party for her loss, that's only going to exacerbate things.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ennsylvania-wisconsin/?utm_term=.82be8dfaf062
By Aaron Blake
Hillary Clinton has found plenty of non-Hillary Clinton things to blame for her 2016 loss, including Russia, James B. Comey, debate moderators and misogyny. But her decision Wednesday to add the Democratic National Committee to that list is predictably proving pretty sensitive inside her own party.
A top former DNC aide tweeted overnight that Clinton's allegations were “f‑‑‑ing bulls‑‑‑” and even suggested that the Clinton campaign ignored its warnings about how competitive Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were. Those three states proved decisive for President Trump and, especially in the case of Michigan and Wisconsin, were neglected by the Clinton campaign.
In a Wednesday appearance at Recode's Code Conference in California, Clinton pointed to the DNC's data deficit when she became the Democratic nominee.
“I set up my campaign and we have our own data operation. I get the nomination. So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party,” Clinton said, according to a transcript. “I mean it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency, its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. I had to inject money into it — the DNC — to keep it going.”
Andrew Therriault, who served as the DNC's director of data science and now works for the City of Boston, took exception to Clinton's criticisms in tweets that have since been deleted.
A top former DNC aide tweeted overnight that Clinton's allegations were “f‑‑‑ing bulls‑‑‑” and even suggested that the Clinton campaign ignored its warnings about how competitive Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were. Those three states proved decisive for President Trump and, especially in the case of Michigan and Wisconsin, were neglected by the Clinton campaign.
In a Wednesday appearance at Recode's Code Conference in California, Clinton pointed to the DNC's data deficit when she became the Democratic nominee.
“I set up my campaign and we have our own data operation. I get the nomination. So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party,” Clinton said, according to a transcript. “I mean it was bankrupt, it was on the verge of insolvency, its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. I had to inject money into it — the DNC — to keep it going.”
Andrew Therriault, who served as the DNC's director of data science and now works for the City of Boston, took exception to Clinton's criticisms in tweets that have since been deleted.
Another Therriault tweet captured by the Tax Foundation's Alan Cole and another Twitter user pointed to the Clinton campaign ignoring DNC warnings about Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Therriault said the DNC data never had those states as “even close to safe,” but the Clinton team “thought they knew better.”
It's important to note here that Therriault left the DNC midway through 2016, so he's not necessarily privy to late DNC data in those states. But he seems to be saying that the DNC saw early in the general election what the Clinton campaign failed to really ever see. Clinton never made a concerted effort in Michigan or Wisconsin, and these two states and Pennsylvania proved the difference after they each went by less than a point for Trump.
And his broader criticism that Clinton's complaints don't add up was echoed by other top Democratic data types, including Tom Bonier:
And here's John Hagner, a former aide to the DNC and Democrats' House and Senate campaign committees:
Clinton's rehashing of the 2016 election results and the reasons she lost that were outside her control have become a regular feature of her public appearances and apparently will account for a significant portion of her forthcoming book. But there is also an emerging divide inside the Democratic Party about whether her continued presence on the national political stage is helping her party move forward.
Witness this from the New Republic from last week. And here's Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel's tortured response this weekend when asked if Clinton running for president again would be good for the party.
Whatever you think about Clinton's excuses for her loss and how credible they are, it's clear this whole thing is threatening to expose some real rifts within a Democratic Party that is also eager to move forward. And now that Clinton is casting blame upon her own national party for her loss, that's only going to exacerbate things.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ennsylvania-wisconsin/?utm_term=.82be8dfaf062
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another ominous Frontline documentary
that almost mirrors Bannon's own documentaries in style, theme and delivery lol
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that almost mirrors Bannon's own documentaries in style, theme and delivery lol
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Well, like I said, that's just Frontline's style. They produce every documentary like that.
However, even if you feel that Frontline's approach to the Trump documentary was a bit unfair, I think it's very fair in Bannon's case. Steve Bannon is a very ominous figure.
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I saw 'generation zero', and if that's anything to go by, he does have a gloomy worldview. Apparently the rest of them are just like that too.
I don't think he's that scary, just another right wing ideologue with a nativist bent, and Trump will put him in his place if he feels the need to, though he is likely to keep him around for doing his magic in the rust belt for his 2020 rerun.
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Watched the whole thing. Bannon is Trump's alter ego. He is not going anywhere.
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Oh, he’s so good in knocking himself down. 
Trump’s latest tweets will likely hurt effort to restore travel ban
By Matt Zapotosky June 5
President Trump on Monday derided the revised travel ban as a “watered down” version of the first and criticized his own Justice Department’s handling of the case — potentially hurting the administration’s defense of the ban as the legal battle over it reaches a critical new stage.
Trump in a tweet called the new ban “politically correct,” ignoring that he himself signed the executive order replacing the first ban with a revised version that targeted only six, rather than seven, Muslim-majority countries and blocked the issuance of new visas, rather than revoking current ones.
Trump said the Justice Department should seek a “much tougher version” and made clear — despite his own press secretary’s past remarks to the contrary — that the executive order is a “ban,” not a pause on some sources of immigration or an enhanced vetting system.
“People, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!” Trump wrote.
The president’s tweets could significantly damage his administration’s effort to restore the ban, which has been put on hold by two federal courts.
Next week, those suing are expected to file arguments on the matter with the Supreme Court, and Trump’s latest remarks will surely be a part of their briefs. The administration appealed to the nation’s highest court after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit upheld the freeze on the ban last month.
Neal Katyal, the lawyer who argued for the challengers in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, wrote on Twitter, “Its kinda odd to have the defendant in Hawaii v Trump acting as our co-counsel. We don’t need the help but will take it!” He also wrote that he was “waiting now for the inevitable cover-my-tweet posts from him that the Solicitor General will no doubt insist upon.”
Even George Conway, a prominent lawyer who recently took himself out of the running to lead the Justice Department’s Civil Division and the husband of top Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, posted on Twitter that the remarks might hurt the legal case.
“These tweets may make some ppl feel better, but they certainly won’t help OSG get 5 votes in SCOTUS, which is what actually matters. Sad,” he wrote, using abbeviations for Office of Solicitor General and the Supreme Court. Read more
Trump’s latest tweets will likely hurt effort to restore travel ban
By Matt Zapotosky June 5
President Trump on Monday derided the revised travel ban as a “watered down” version of the first and criticized his own Justice Department’s handling of the case — potentially hurting the administration’s defense of the ban as the legal battle over it reaches a critical new stage.
Trump in a tweet called the new ban “politically correct,” ignoring that he himself signed the executive order replacing the first ban with a revised version that targeted only six, rather than seven, Muslim-majority countries and blocked the issuance of new visas, rather than revoking current ones.
Trump said the Justice Department should seek a “much tougher version” and made clear — despite his own press secretary’s past remarks to the contrary — that the executive order is a “ban,” not a pause on some sources of immigration or an enhanced vetting system.
“People, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!” Trump wrote.
The president’s tweets could significantly damage his administration’s effort to restore the ban, which has been put on hold by two federal courts.
Next week, those suing are expected to file arguments on the matter with the Supreme Court, and Trump’s latest remarks will surely be a part of their briefs. The administration appealed to the nation’s highest court after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit upheld the freeze on the ban last month.
Neal Katyal, the lawyer who argued for the challengers in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, wrote on Twitter, “Its kinda odd to have the defendant in Hawaii v Trump acting as our co-counsel. We don’t need the help but will take it!” He also wrote that he was “waiting now for the inevitable cover-my-tweet posts from him that the Solicitor General will no doubt insist upon.”
Even George Conway, a prominent lawyer who recently took himself out of the running to lead the Justice Department’s Civil Division and the husband of top Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, posted on Twitter that the remarks might hurt the legal case.
“These tweets may make some ppl feel better, but they certainly won’t help OSG get 5 votes in SCOTUS, which is what actually matters. Sad,” he wrote, using abbeviations for Office of Solicitor General and the Supreme Court. Read more
I don’t want to dampen your enthusiasm, my friend, but I cannot be happy as long as Trump is in the White House. Though I’m happy for your party, Democrats have won some districts that voted for Trump, but I think the real test will be 2018 elections and I hope Democrats can retake the House, and sure that would be a great victory.But don't you see, my friend, he was exactly right.
America is winning, the Democratic Party is winning, and the rule of law is winning. Trump is going to make America (and the Democratic Party) great again---at his own expense.
The Democratic Party is changing for the better, and is finally getting the message to focus on economic issues (not divisive social issues). Recruitment and enthusiasm in the party are the highest they've been since 2008. Bernie-crats are taking the party back to its roots (to one for the middle and working classes) and winning positions in state parties across the country.
Democrats are doing startlingly well in special elections in Republican and Trump-won districts (and winning many of them). Their lead on the congressional ballot is the highest ever recorded in some polls. Russia's evil intentions are being exposed. Obamacare is more popular than ever before too. Trump's nativist/xenophobic bullying style and tone have received significant push-back from the general public. Not just from Democrats, but from most moderates, independents, and some Republicans too. His approval rating has never been positive---not once.
I hope you understand why some us advocated not voting for Hillary Clinton last year. The truth is that a President Clinton was a far worse outcome for the Democratic Party (and America) long-term than a President Trump. Yes Trump is terrible, but the damage he's doing to right-wing politicians that think and act like him is invaluable. Plus, the comedy and late-night talk shows are funnier than they've been in years. They have so much material to work with these days.
I don't know about you, but I've been having a blast since November 8th.
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It seems even pro-Trump Fox News is getting fed up with his erratic behavior. I’m loving it!
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Only really matters if its Tucker or Hannity.
Shep and Cavuto are RINO types....trying to "balance" fox. Go further and you will stumble into Juan and Bob (but Bob got fired lol).
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It's all about self-preservation. Trump's erratic behavior is making it hard for even the right-wing media to defend him.
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Seriously shep is right wing? LOL.
Fox is overall centrish because of such characters. Everything else is varying shades of left wing paranoia and butthurt
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Should be one heck of a day tomorrow, only rivaled by Bill Clinton's impeachment process. Jim Comey will drop the sledge hammer and his testimony will be very powerful since he has much more credibility, unlike the commander in chief. So the validity of the information on his memos will outweigh any denial from the POTUS.
This White House has been a comedy of incompetence, disguised in nefariousness. At least show a semblance of professionalism behind all these sneaky acts, maybe some cohesion with your staff even if your position is that of a delusional, right wing hack. But he's such a control freak and not having any idea how to embrace the position of the most powerful man in the world, he should at least solicit some form of advice from someone who could teach him, so he can show some sense of integrity, much less delegate his authority without creating even a small sense of ambiguity as to his incompetence. But he's chosen this arrogant way that frankly makes him look the opposite of that 'tough guy' persona he tries to portray all the time. It's like handing the position of CEO of a multi billion $ investment bank to a minor league baseball bat boy. It's a comedy of embarrassment we witness on almost a daily basis.
Despite the weight of Comey's testimony tomorrow, I doubt any impeachment process will take place, but it will be fascinating to watch these events unfold, and the ensuing Russia investigations.
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