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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ails-show-who-runs-america-and-how-they-do-it

Forget the FBI cache; the Podesta emails show how America is run
Thomas Frank

WikiLeaks’ dump of messages to and from Clinton’s campaign chief offer an unprecedented view into the workings of the elite, and how it looks after itself

The emails currently roiling the US presidential campaign are part of some unknown digital collection amassed by the troublesome Anthony Weiner, but if your purpose is to understand the clique of people who dominate Washington today, the emails that really matter are the ones being slowly released by WikiLeaks from the hacked account of Hillary Clinton’s campaign chair John Podesta. They are last week’s scandal in a year running over with scandals, but in truth their significance goes far beyond mere scandal: they are a window into the soul of the Democratic party and into the dreams and thoughts of the class to whom the party answers.

The class to which I refer is not rising in angry protest; they are by and large pretty satisfied, pretty contented. Nobody takes road trips to exotic West Virginia to see what the members of this class looks like or how they live; on the contrary, they are the ones for whom such stories are written. This bunch doesn’t have to make do with a comb-over TV mountebank for a leader; for this class, the choices are always pretty good, and this year they happen to be excellent.

They are the comfortable and well-educated mainstay of our modern Democratic party. They are also the grandees of our national media; the architects of our software; the designers of our streets; the high officials of our banking system; the authors of just about every plan to fix social security or fine-tune the Middle East with precision droning. They are, they think, not a class at all but rather the enlightened ones, the people who must be answered to but who need never explain themselves.

Let us turn the magnifying glass on them for a change, by sorting through the hacked personal emails of John Podesta, who has been a Washington power broker for decades. I admit that I feel uncomfortable digging through this hoard; stealing someone’s email is a crime, after all, and it is outrageous that people’s personal information has been exposed, since WikiLeaks doesn’t seem to have redacted the emails in any way. There is also the issue of authenticity to contend with: we don’t know absolutely and for sure that these emails were not tampered with by whoever stole them from John Podesta. The supposed authors of the messages are refusing to confirm or deny their authenticity, and though they seem to be real, there is a small possibility they aren’t.

With all that taken into consideration, I think the WikiLeaks releases furnish us with an opportunity to observe the upper reaches of the American status hierarchy in all its righteousness and majesty.

The dramatis personae of the liberal class are all present in this amazing body of work: financial innovators. High-achieving colleagues attempting to get jobs for their high-achieving children. Foundation executives doing fine and noble things. Prizes, of course, and high academic achievement.

Certain industries loom large and virtuous here. Hillary’s ingratiating speeches to Wall Street are well known of course, but what is remarkable is that, in the party of Jackson and Bryan and Roosevelt, smiling financiers now seem to stand on every corner, constantly proffering advice about this and that. In one now-famous email chain, for example, the reader can watch current US trade representative Michael Froman, writing from a Citibank email address in 2008, appear to name President Obama’s cabinet even before the great hope-and-change election was decided (incidentally, an important clue to understanding why that greatest of zombie banks was never put out of its misery).

The far-sighted innovators of Silicon Valley are also here in force, interacting all the time with the leaders of the party of the people. We watch as Podesta appears to email Sheryl Sandberg. He makes plans to visit Mark Zuckerberg (who, according to one missive, wants to “learn more about next steps for his philanthropy and social action”). Podesta exchanges emails with an entrepreneur about an ugly race now unfolding for Silicon Valley’s seat in Congress; this man, in turn, appears to forward to Podesta the remarks of yet another Silicon Valley grandee, who complains that one of the Democratic combatants in that fight was criticizing billionaires who give to Democrats. Specifically, the miscreant Dem in question was said to be:

“… spinning (and attacking) donors who have supported Democrats. John Arnold and Marc Leder have both given to Cory Booker, Joe Kennedy, and others. He is also attacking every billionaire that donates to [Congressional candidate] Ro [Khanna], many whom support other Democrats as well.”

Attacking billionaires! In the year 2015! It was, one of the correspondents appears to write, “madness and political malpractice of the party to allow this to continue”.

There are wonderful things to be found in this treasure trove when you search the gilded words “Davos” or “Tahoe”. But it is when you search “Vineyard” on the WikiLeaks dump that you realize these people truly inhabit a different world from the rest of us. By “vineyard”, of course, they mean Martha’s Vineyard, the ritzy vacation resort island off the coast of Massachusetts where presidents Clinton and Obama spent most of their summer vacations. The Vineyard is a place for the very, very rich to unwind, yes, but as we learn from these emails, it is also a place of high idealism; a land of enlightened liberal commitment far beyond anything ordinary citizens can ever achieve.

Consider, for example, the 2015 email from a foundation executive to a retired mortgage banker (who then seems to have forwarded the note on to Podesta, and thus into history) expressing concern that “Hillary’s image is being torn apart in the media and there’s not enough effective push back”. The public eavesdrops as yet another financier invites Podesta to a dinner featuring “food produced exclusively by the island’s farmers and fishermen which will be matched with specially selected wines”. We learn how a Hillary campaign aide recommended that a policy statement appear on a certain day so that “It wont get in the way of any other news we are trying to make – but far enough ahead of Hamptons and Vineyard money events”. We even read the pleadings of a man who wants to be invited to a state dinner at the White House and who offers, as one of several exhibits in his favor, the fact that he “joined the DSCC Majority Trust in Martha’s Vineyard (contributing over $32,400 to Democratic senators) in July 2014”.

(Hilariously, in another email chain, the Clinton team appears to scheme to “hit” Bernie Sanders for attending “DSCC retreats on Martha’s Vineyard with lobbyists”.)

Then there is the apparent nepotism, the dozens if not hundreds of mundane emails in which petitioners for this or that plum Washington job or high-profile academic appointment politely appeal to Podesta – the ward-heeler of the meritocratic elite – for a solicitous word whispered in the ear of a powerful crony.

This genre of Podesta email, in which people try to arrange jobs for themselves or their kids, points us toward the most fundamental thing we know about the people at the top of this class: their loyalty to one another and the way it overrides everything else. Of course Hillary Clinton staffed her state department with investment bankers and then did speaking engagements for investment banks as soon as she was done at the state department. Of course she appears to think that any kind of bank reform should “come from the industry itself”. And of course no elite bankers were ever prosecuted by the Obama administration. Read these emails and you understand, with a start, that the people at the top tier of American life all know each other. They are all engaged in promoting one another’s careers, constantly.

Everything blurs into everything else in this world. The state department, the banks, Silicon Valley, the nonprofits, the “Global CEO Advisory Firm” that appears to have solicited donations for the Clinton Foundation. Executives here go from foundation to government to thinktank to startup. There are honors. Venture capital. Foundation grants. Endowed chairs. Advanced degrees. For them the door revolves. The friends all succeed. They break every boundary.

But the One Big Boundary remains. Yes, it’s all supposed to be a meritocracy. But if you aren’t part of this happy, prosperous in-group – if you don’t have John Podesta’s email address – you’re out.
 
Oh my, Donnie is back in love with polls, see the hypocrisy, when he is losing, “polls are rigged” but now he has a small lead of one point, it's “wow”.:lol: What an embarrassment!





Hillary is still kicking his a$s :usflag:



Electoral College Projections as of October 31st

October 31, 2016
Hillary Clinton's advantage over Donald Trump has eroded somewhat since our last review of electoral forecasts on October 26th. Much of the change has been around forecasters moving states to toss-up that they had previously characterized as leaning toward Clinton.

Several forecasters followed this reclassification with Florida as it has tightened considerably in the polls. Trump has led in two of the last four polls there and only trailing by one in the other two. With its 29 electoral votes, the Sunshine State is pretty close to a must-win for the Republican nominee.

Hillary Clinton now averages 293 electoral votes, down 13 from last Wednesday. Donald Trump is at 183, a gain of four. The changed forecasts are highlighted in bold in the table below. You can find all the associated maps, as well as a few others, on our 2016 Presidential Election Forecasts page. Link


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The million dollar question is, why won't Trump release his taxes, what the hell is he hiding, could it be his business deals with Russia?

Here is an interesting fact, except for Trump, every Democrat/Republican nominee for the past 40 years has released their tax returns. Yeah, right, he's going to make America great again. It's time. Mr. Puppet release your taxes!

Hillary has released her tax returns from 2000 to 2015. Link


What Trump’s Tax Returns Could Tell Us About His Dealings with Russia


In the wake of Harry Reid’s accusations, it’s critical to America’s national security for Trump to open up.

By Norman Eisen and Richard W. Painter

October 31, 2016

Over the weekend, as controversy raged over FBI Director James Comey’s letter to Congress about Anthony Weiner's laptop, Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway responded by calling for “full disclosure and transparency, honesty and immediacy.”

That same standard should be applied by Trump to an issue he himself has avoided for months: his tax returns and what they might say about his dealings and holdings overseas. For the past four decades, every other presidential candidate has released his or her returns. Only Trump has refused.

And make no mistake: This is now a major national security issue, especially in light of Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid’s extraordinary allegation, in a letter of his own to the embattled Comey, that “in my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government.”

Trump says his tax returns reveal nothing that is not already disclosed on his official candidate financial disclosure, called Form 278e. As ethics counsels to the past two presidents, we dealt with both their tax filings and their Form 278's and so we know that Trump is wrong. His tax filings have an enormous amount of additional information which, in this case, could be critically important to determining whether his business overseas might affect his decision-making as president. That is because Trump’s 12,000-page tax return may tell us a great deal about his Russian and other foreign business ties that is not on his 104-page campaign financial disclosure. It’s now more vital than ever that we get that information in light of Trump's embrace of Russian hacking, leaking and interference in our election.

If the public saw Trump's taxes, we could check his Russia connections for ourselves. That should start with the troubling discrepancies in how he and his closest associates talk about his Russia ties. Trump has claimed, for example, that “the reason they blame Russia [for hacking into Democratic emails] is they are trying to tarnish me with Russia. I know about Russia, but not about the inner workings. I have no business there and no loans from Russia. I have a great balance sheet.” But that’s very different from the claims that the Trump Organization was making before he decided to run for president. Trump's son said in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets” and “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

Trump’s tax returns could reconcile the tension between these statements. Even if Trump really does have no loans from Russia and no business in that jurisdiction, what about other financial connections with Russians outside of their land? His statement does not rule out such ties, including shared partnership interests, equity interests, joint ventures or licensing agreements with Russia or Russians—both by Trump and his affiliated companies.

More broadly there is the issue of Trump’s business dealings around the world. U.S. tax filers with financial dealings outside the country are required to provide detailed information about their foreign business activity to the IRS.

If we had Trump's tax returns, the documents could, for example, allow closer scrutiny of the widespread foreign deals licensing his name for projects and products. The needed vetting is not only a matter of who the foreign licensors are (including participants in partnerships and firms doing the licensing). It also concerns the critical question whether he is using offshore tax havens to own these licensing assets or shelter income from them. In his foreign licensing deals, Trump emphasizes the importance of political connections, Vanity Fair reported in August. “The nice part [of the licensing model] is you have local people, local developers: they know the government, they know the presidents of the country, the prime ministers of the country, and all of those things,” Trump said. “Now, I help them a lot: If they need zoning, and they say they are doing a Trump job, every single time they get their zoning because the government wants Trump.”

There are other problems with Trump's sole reliance on his 104-page campaign disclosure under the current circumstances. That document may be missing some foreign entities with which he is associated because of exclusions: The 278e need not show assets with losses, for example, if they no longer have a positive value. Given the way Trump does business, there may be many such assets that do show up on his tax returns, and that could reflect Russian or other foreign ties.

One other shortcoming of the campaign disclosure: It is a current report, which doesn’t go back before the reporting period. That period varies for the different parts of the 278e report, but is generally no longer than the preceding calendar year or two. By contrast, Hillary Clinton has provided 38 years of her tax filings. Given the heightened scrutiny called for by Trump's extraordinary statements about Russia, don't we need to know if he had Russian business dealings three or more years ago and what those dealings were?

Trump may counter these questions by asserting that his taxes contain no such information. But should we take his word for it, given his apparent support for Russian criminal meddling in our democratic process? Clinton did not ask people to trust her assertions of what was on her tax filings; she disclosed them. So has every other recent presidential candidate. Ronald Reagan’s adage for arms negotiations with the Soviets two decades ago was “trust but verify.”

Perhaps it is time for voters of all political persuasions to tell Trump the same thing that Reagan told Mikhail Gorbachev: no verification, no deal. Link


Just wondering if Trump wins and US and Russia became ally to each other, then world order will change drastically.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ails-show-who-runs-america-and-how-they-do-it

Forget the FBI cache; the Podesta emails show how America is run
Thomas Frank

WikiLeaks’ dump of messages to and from Clinton’s campaign chief offer an unprecedented view into the workings of the elite, and how it looks after itself
So, you think it is any different in the Republican Party? Or do you think there isn't an elite there too?

May I recommend "The Power Elite" by C. Wright Mills (1956)

According to Mills, the eponymous "power elite" are those that occupy the dominant positions, in the dominant institutions (military, economic and political) of a dominant country, and their decisions (or lack of decisions) have enormous consequences, not only for the U.S. population but, "the underlying populations of the world." The institutions which they head, Mills posits, are a triumvirate of groups that have succeeded weaker predecessors: (1) "two or three hundred giant corporations" which have replaced the traditional agrarian and craft economy, (2) a strong federal political order that has inherited power from "a decentralized set of several dozen states" and "now enters into each and every crany of the social structure," and (3) the military establishment, formerly an object of "distrust fed by state militia," but now an entity with "all the grim and clumsy efficiency of a sprawling bureaucratic domain."

Importantly, and in distinction from modern American conspiracy theory, Mills explains that the elite themselves may not be aware of their status as an elite, noting that "often they are uncertain about their roles" and "without conscious effort, they absorb the aspiration to be ... The Ones Who Decide." Nonetheless, he sees them as a quasi-hereditary caste. The members of the "power elite," according to Mills, often enter into positions of societal prominence through educations obtained at eastern establishment universities like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. But, Mills notes, "Harvard or Yale or Princeton is not enough ... the point is not Harvard, but which Harvard?" Mills identifies two classes of Ivy League alumni, those initiated into an upper echelon fraternity or final club, such as Porcellian and Fly Club, and those who are not. Those so initiated, Mills continues, receive their invitations based on social links first established in elite private preparatory academies, where they are enrolled as part of antebellum family traditions. In this manner, the mantle of the elite generally passes through families.

Historically prominent families, such as the Kennedy family, form the "Metropolitan 400." Shown here are Rose and Joseph Kennedy in 1940.

The resulting elites, who control the three dominant institutions (military, economic and political) can be generally grouped into one of six types, according to Mills:

  • the "Metropolitan 400" - members of historically notable local families in the principal American cities, generally represented on the Social Register
  • "Celebrities" - prominent entertainers and media personalities
  • the "Chief Executives" - presidents and CEO's of the most important companies within each industrial sector
  • the "Corporate Rich" - major landowners and corporate shareholders
  • the "Warlords" - senior military officers, most importantly the Joint Chiefs of Staff
  • the "Political Directorate" - "fifty-odd men of the executive branch" of the U.S. federal government, including the senior leadership in the Executive Office of the President, sometimes variously drawn from elected officials of the Democratic and Republican parties but usually professional government bureaucrats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_Elite

Anyway, who stands to gain from helping create such a media circus?

Reports detail Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia
https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-detail-trump-campaigns-alleged-ties-to-russia-190230912.html
 
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So, you think it is any different in the Republican Party? Or do you think there isn't an elite there too?

Of course its not different there. But none of their establishment candidates could prevail against outsider Trump. Should be interesting to see if the establishment is finally going to lose. Its come to desperation level now.

Democrat and Republican establishment are two sides of the same coin. They would prefer the other over a wild card...thus taking down Bernie and attempting to now do the same for Trump. I guess they didn't expect Trump to go all in and call their semi-bluff. Lets see who has the better hand come November 8th.
 
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Hillary Clinton would have done the same thing. She actually has been worse to people disrupting her.

You must be kidding.

Ok, let's compare:








"...Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."


I didn't present what I wrote as an exact quote, did I? I think I presented a fair summary of this statement in its given context.

Sorry, you are just cherry picking, if you read his entire statement, it was quite clearly a sweeping statement against all Muslims and their religion, and had nothing to do with “immigrant screening issues”.



Yes, indeed! There's a lot to criticize about Trump.




“The ADL immediately recognized it as an anti-Semitic image, and there was this trifecta of symbols — the Jewish star, next to a political leader, on a pile of money — referencing age-old stereotypes of Jews and money and Jews and government control,”


I had to look twice to realize that. They may simply have chosen the six-pointed star to fit the words inside, you know. So they get a one-time pass for ignorance - no apology necessary. Question is, once the ADL educated the Trump campaign about this, did they ever employ this or a similar ad a second time?

Oh my goodness, are you really serious, who is running his campaign, 10-year-olds, who did not know what that image symbolized?! But here is the problem with your hilarious excuse, that image came from a racist website and ended up in Trump's twitter account, so please, next time, come up with a better excuse.


Yes, after that controversy, Trump has made more anti-Jewish comments, I'll try to find them and post them here next time.


“We’re not calling Trump an anti-Semite or a bigot, and we know we cannot control who supports him,” Bannett continued, “but his campaign has emboldened white supremacists and he needs to make it clear that bigotry and hate has no place in his campaign...


Yes, Trump has emboldened white supremacists. Part of that is the biased anti-Trump reporting, concentrating not on Trump but the extremists among supporters.. (I think I posted an example of how at least one of these was given the boot during a campaign rally.) No, Trump isn't going to "renounce bigotry" because such an un-nuanced wide call on the political stage would undermine his immigration-weeding agenda, whereas if he qualified it he would undermine supporters who like Trump because "he tells it like it is" - not that what Trump says is necessarily fact, but that it isn't wishy-washy. (They're wrong: Trump contradicts himself instead.)



A very worthy call. I'll point out, however, that those who have crossed Hillary or her more militant supporters realize that hatred is very much a part of the Clinton campaign. "Deplorables", anyone?

Absolutely incorrect, all the statements were made by Trump himself, it is him who has been dog whistling the freaking racists scums. Since I don't have time now, but I will show you his statements (dog whistles) and their reaction.


But you also have to give me some examples, since you have joined Trump's bandwagon for blaming the media for everything.



True, but this is the 21st century, not the late 1930s. There is essentially no well-functioning system to filter out militant immigrants, as existed even before immigration was restricted in the 1920s - back then it was anarchists, if I recall correctly.

So what are you suggesting?
 
LOL he doesn't care about what the world thinks, but is using capitals and bold fonts to scream his lungs out. What a desperation and humiliation.
If I am desperate and humiliated, then I say you are scared -- of Trump.

People like you are sheeple, meaning you want everyone to be the same, preferably like you. Europeans never liked it that Americans consistently insists on being non-European. We do not even want to be Canadians. The more different we are, the more afraid you become, and the more interested in our affairs, hoping whatever petty criticisms you level at US will make a difference.

So instead of focusing on what I say and how I say it about our elections, go look in the mirror and see the terrified kid that you really are.
 
You must be kidding.

Ok, let's compare:










Sorry, you are just cherry picking, if you read his entire statement, it was quite clearly a sweeping statement against all Muslims and their religion, and had nothing to do with “immigrant screening issues”.





Oh my goodness, are you really serious, who is running his campaign, 10-year-olds, who did not know what that image symbolized?! But here is the problem with your hilarious excuse, that image came from a racist website and ended up in Trump's twitter account, so please, next time, come up with a better excuse.


Yes, after that controversy, Trump has made more anti-Jewish comments, I'll try to find them and post them here next time.




Absolutely incorrect, all the statements were made by Trump himself, it is him who has been dog whistling the freaking racists scums. Since I don't have time now, but I will show you his statements (dog whistles) and their reaction.


But you also have to give me some examples, since you have joined Trump's bandwagon for blaming the media for everything.





So what are you suggesting?
And Hillary called Black men "super predators with no conscience".


Yet somehow, I have more trust in the US Intelligence community's judgement than yours.

Indeed, since KGB was succeeded by FSK, which then became FSB, there is no longer KGB. The two major structural components of the former KGB that remain administratively independent of the FSB are the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) and the State Guards (FSO). The FSB combines functions and powers similar to those exercised by the United States FBI National Security Branch, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the Federal Protective Service, the National Security Agency (NSA), U.S. Customs and Border Protection, United States Coast Guard, and partly the Drug Enforcement Administration. The FSB head answers directly to the RF president and the FSB director is the RF president's appointment, though he is a member of the RF government which is headed by the Chairman of Government; he also, ex officio, is a permanent member of the Security Council of Russia presided over by the president and chairman of the National Anti-terrorism Committee of Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service
Like i said, no proof the FBI or Trump are working with "KGB", only speculation and scare mongering by Conspiracy nutjobs like Hillary.

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As a European, from a very small country, I'm all for detente with Russia. Heck, I'm for detente with every country. How can you not be? But - and this is a lesson of WW2 in Europe - it's not and cannot never a one way street. And I trust either candidate and campaign promises as far as I can throw them.
Fair enough, no way to know how or what either would do once in office but their rhetoric is all we have to go by for now, and based on that, Trump is the common sense candidate.

besides, pick a side, man, much more fun that way.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303869-dems-anxious-over-tightening-race

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...nother-weak-story-about-trump-s-ties-to-putin



 
If I am desperate and humiliated, then I say you are scared -- of Trump.

People like you are sheeple, meaning you want everyone to be the same, preferably like you. Europeans never liked it that Americans consistently insists on being non-European. We do not even want to be Canadians. The more different we are, the more afraid you become, and the more interested in our affairs, hoping whatever petty criticisms you level at US will make a difference.

So instead of focusing on what I say and how I say it about our elections, go look in the mirror and see the terrified kid that you really are.

LMAO I'm scared of Trump? He is a God sent to me. We have been waiting for someone like Trump forever. Trump is the true face of America and its hypocritical ways. Trump will do things to your country that even China and Russia combined couldn't have imagined. Elect him and get humiliated. I don't care.

Stop judging me. You don't even know my name and are handing out lectures about who I am. Doesn't that say something about you? That is the thing with you Americans, isn't it? Always ready to hand out lectures and point with that hypocritical finger. Arrogance and hypocrisy at its best, but like I said. Hopefully Trump will set the record straight.

Be whatever you want to be, but you have been exposed to the bone. Hate and xenophobia are part of your DNA and you are a living proof of it. The world will keep judging you because you claim to be the best shining role model for the rest of the world. You are not a shining role model and whether you like it or not, these elections have made that clear as daylight.

@gambit he's not European, he's too ashamed to show his true flags. He's just a useless troll.

LMAO Says a fake wannabe Indian. He puts me on his ignore list, yet keeps replying indirectly. What a desperate coward. Too afraid to quote me directly? Why don't you get me banned if I'm false flagging you useless Trump worshiper? Isn't false flagging prohibited and against the forum rules? Report me and I challenge you. I dare you, but you are just an insignificant lair. No wonder you are attracted to sleazebags like Trump. Makes you feel good doesn't it? You must be proud of a bigot who calls an entire group of people rapists, mocks disabled people, ridicules a Pakistani Muslim soldier who gave his life, wants to grab women by their genitals and wants to ban an entire group of people belonging to a certain faith. I hope he gets elected and you get your wish. I hope you get to see what this man does to the world whilst rubbing your regretful hands. I yearn for that day.

So, you think it is any different in the Republican Party? Or do you think there isn't an elite there too?

May I recommend "The Power Elite" by C. Wright Mills (1956)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_Elite

Anyway, who stands to gain from helping create such a media circus?

Reports detail Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia
https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-detail-trump-campaigns-alleged-ties-to-russia-190230912.html

Everyone knows that the Russians are pulling the strings and I'm glad that they are. It is payback time. Arrogance and hypocrisy only go that far. The Americans are responsible for a lot of misery and crap in the world today. You reap what you sow and that is the bitter truth.
 
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Like i said, no proof the FBI or Trump are working with "KGB", only speculation and scare mongering by Conspiracy nutjobs like Hillary.
I wasn't talking about the FBI working with FSB, that's just your imagination. As for Trump working with FSB, I didn't say that either. I pointed out that Russia is actively interfering, in a varietyof ways. But that is a point lost on you, because you're too busy being partisan, in an election you can't even vote in (but then again, you're not much for democratic process anyway, right? So how come you spend so much time on this?)
 
I wasn't talking about the FBI working with FSB, that's just your imagination. As for Trump working with FSB, I didn't say that either. I pointed out that Russia is actively interfering, in a varietyof ways. But that is a point lost on you, because you're too busy being partisan, in an election you can't even vote in (but then again, you're not much for democratic process anyway, right? So how come you spend so much time on this?)

The Russians are actively supporting Trump and aren't hiding their covert activities under a rug. Also, everyone knows how thoroughly Trump is involved with Russia on many fronts. Trump is a guy who has praised Putin over Obama and Hillary. How unprecedented is that? The Trump lunatics will go to any extent to defend their bigot. You are witnessing it first hand.

You are talking to a brick wall. Stop wasting your precious time and effort. This is a guy who can only put people on ignore lists once he loses an argument.
 
Everyone knows that the Russians are pulling the strings and I'm glad that they are. It is payback time. Arrogance and hypocrisy only go that far. The Americans are responsible for a lot of misery and crap in the world today. You reap what you sow and that is the bitter truth.
Sure. So, what you actually say is that Russia plays no role on the world stage, and does not have dirty hands. Yes, that is very grown up.
 

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