US Planning to Snatch Pakistan's Nukes

[ziaulislam]

time for us to induct submarines from china and arm them with nuclear weapons..
atleast 2 subs should be armed with nuke blastic missles

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So you agree that Pakistan should kill the goat and hope that Tiger will die of hunger after killing him????

Man nothing will left in pakistan........ Not even a single soul ....... Or a tree with green leaves......... Thats a horreable thing even to imagine even for a enemy..... And you are thinking for your own mother country!!!!

What has gulf countries done against pakistan that Pakistan will attack them??? These are the countries who gives aid to pakistan

All I can say is please read my comments on this thread again with an open mind and try to understand the argument, which currently you are not.

You are focusing on the 'end state post nuclear war' - my point is that Pakistan's WMD capability and the potential regional targets allow Pakistan to prevent actions by other nations that would bring us to nuclear war.

Of course Pakistan will suffer, but Pakistan has to ensure that the rest of the world pays a very heavy price as well, and in ensuring that Pakistan can make the rest of the world pay a 'very heavy price', Pakistan perhaps ensures that events do not get out of control.

 

[BATMAN]

Re: US Planning to Snatch Pakistan's Nukes


the positive side is... before it was only India and Iran and now the club is growing....

Welcom to US......... in the snatch snatch club.

 

[ashokdeiva]

All I can say is please read my comments on this thread again with an open mind and try to understand the argument, which currently you are not.

You are focusing on the 'end state post nuclear war' - my point is that Pakistan's WMD capability and the potential regional targets allow Pakistan to prevent actions by other nations that would bring us to nuclear war.

Of course Pakistan will suffer, but Pakistan has to ensure that the rest of the world pays a very heavy price as well, and in ensuring that Pakistan can make the rest of the world pay a 'very heavy price', Pakistan perhaps ensures that events do not get out of control.

We understand that from the beging that you are trying to say that US will not risk the above threats that might possibly happen.
But my question is that this fear is a dangerous bargain that Pakistan is playing in the International level. isn't it not?
This bargain is the reason that is making the rest of the world to suspect Pakistan might use your N Weapon with a little provocation.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Re: US Planning to Snatch Pakistan's Nukes


the positive side is... before it was only India and Iran and now the club is growing....

Welcom to US......... in the snatch snatch club.

and from when did Iran was asking your disarmament?
Even we do not want you completly disarmed, we just want you to make sure that your Nuclear arsenal is kept at the required level as a detterent must be.

 

[laiqs@mi]

have a question here
Nasr if it is equipped with small nukes and then we can equip allot of them with strategic nukes. in a such scenario U.S attacked us Nasr can be a very dangerous thing. plus we can quip 100 of them and spend them through out the country.???

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We understand that from the beging that you are trying to say that US will not risk the above threats that might possibly happen.
But my question is that this fear is a dangerous bargain that Pakistan is playing in the International level. isn't it not?
This bargain is the reason that is making the rest of the world to suspect Pakistan might use your N Weapon with a little provocation.

Of course it is a 'dangerous bargain' - that is why I support Pakistan's expansion of its WMD capacity, both numerically and qualitatively (regardless of India's WMD capability), because the higher the amount of damage Pakistan can impose, the less the chance of the US/West attacking Pakistan barring a 'Hitler' running Pakistan.

It was a 'dangerous bargain' for the US and USSR as well - that is what makes 'deterrence' work. Both sides understand there are 'red lines', and 'antagonize' each other while trying not to cross them.

 

[ashokdeiva]

have a question here
Nasr if it is equipped with small nukes and then we can equip allot of them with strategic nukes. in a such scenario U.S attacked us Nasr can be a very dangerous thing. plus we can quip 100 of them and spend them through out the country.???

Buddy Nasar is disgned for one purpose and that is to attack enemy troops with in your soil. Thats the primary motive to design that tool.
Your imagination will not be correct for equiping this tool and sending it to nook and corner of the nation. You are risking your Nuclear weapon with a launch vehicle to fall in the hands of techno terrorist who are controlled by Al-Quieda

 

[indian navy]

well its not possible in one day but yes because of pakistan leaders and pak army pakistan is facing these days

its bad luck of pakistan from 1947 pakistan as an nation is a scapegoat between Pakistani leaders and pakistani army

nuke is for energy so that children can read, farmer can gain electricity in lands , a source of energy but bad luck pakistan always use in wrong direction

every pakistani has to think what they want to give there next gen hate anger or peace ,love ,brother hood

 

[ashokdeiva]

Of course it is a 'dangerous bargain' - that is why I support Pakistan's expansion of its WMD capacity, both numerically and qualitatively (regardless of India's WMD capability), because the higher the amount of damage Pakistan can impose, the less the chance of the US/West attacking Pakistan barring a 'Hitler' running Pakistan.

It was a 'dangerous bargain' for the US and USSR as well - that is what makes 'deterrence' work. Both sides understand there are 'red lines', and 'antagonize' each other while trying not to cross them.

Your country and Country men have always lived on the fear that the present generation is also feeling is the right way to develop Pakistan, this is to be frank an act or belief of lunacy. The more you develop WMD, the more you are puting others at fear that you are planning to use them. The more your enemies fear the more they demand your arms be stripped of you. The more the pressure goes the lid blows of some day that a idiot fires one and calls for Mutually Assured Destruction.
Dont you guys think that the existing Nuclear assest that you have is a burden that you already bear on the shoulders. Why more? is the question.
Do you think that the equation will be linear in a Nuclear race. It will never be and when we know this why provoke other by building more out of fear

 

[BATMAN]

and from when did Iran was asking your disarmament?
Even we do not want you completly disarmed, we just want you to make sure that your Nuclear arsenal is kept at the required level as a detterent must be.

So this is why you are not willing to sign NPT? because nukes help you to keep minimum deterrence?????????????????

Iran never asked us to disarm but tried to steal it by unfair means.

 

[indian navy]

well one question pakistan has to ask what they gain after 1947 and answer is nothing just lost and loss

why just because of pakistan leaders and pakistan army .

 

[ashokdeiva]

So this is why you are not willing to sign NPT? because nukes help you to keep minimum deterrence?????????????????

Iran never asked us to disarm but tried to steal it by unfair means.

we do not have a first use policy but you do. if you propose a phased CBM(Confidence Building Measure), and if your government openly states that they are ready to sign the NPT and demands the India to sign it in the same day in UN, then India will follow suit your demand. Until then. we will refrain to our second use policy

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

nuke is for energy so that children can read, farmer can gain electricity in lands , a source of energy but bad luck pakistan always use in wrong direction

Right, that is why India conducted a 'peaceful nuclear explosion' back in the 70's, and has close to the same number of nuclear weapons as Pakistan.

Change the direction of your own country before lecturing Pakistanis on 'how to use nuclear energy'.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Your country and Country men have always lived on the fear that the present generation is also feeling is the right way to develop Pakistan, this is to be frank an act or belief of lunacy. The more you develop WMD, the more you are puting others at fear that you are planning to use them. The more your enemies fear the more they demand your arms be stripped of you. The more the pressure goes the lid blows of some day that a idiot fires one and calls for Mutually Assured Destruction.
Dont you guys think that the existing Nuclear assest that you have is a burden that you already bear on the shoulders. Why more? is the question.

Once Pakistan developed nuclear weapons, the 'fear in the international community' factor was already in place, as was the threat of the international community acting militarily to neutralize Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

The only way to deter against any such military adventurism to 'neutralize Pakistani nukes' is to manufacture a very large and powerful WMD arsenal and the associated delivery systems, and therefore make other nations think of the potential repercussions of a military assault on Pakistan to 'de-nuclearize' Pakistan.

Do you think that the equation will be linear in a Nuclear race. It will never be and when we know this why provoke other by building more out of fear

Of course it won't be linear - some nations will try and develop ABM's (they are far from perfect, and nowhere close to being deployed in numbers providing blanket coverage), nations will develop MIRV's and perhaps even nuclear tipped cruise missiles to get around ABM's.