US & Pakistan Dispute and Tensions over Haqqani group

[graphican]

Look at the faces of these losers.. yes they would blame anybody, even Aliens for causing America another shameful defeat. The more they cry the more foolish they sound. USA is part of the problem in Afghanistan and they have to accept that.

ISI is surely a iron nail in their @SSES which is causing these American Military insanes bleeding through their mouth and "I'm loving it".

 

[Battle Axe]

How about Tehrik e Taliban e Pakistan being a veritable arm of CIA!

 

[longbrained]

Such statements will only inflame anti-Pakistan feelings in Afghanistan which already is running high. Pakistan should take initiative in its foreign policy as soon as possible.

 

[praful]

How about Tehrik e Taliban e Pakistan being a veritable arm of CIA!

tell kayani to speak that in open

 

[53fd]

How about Tehrik e Taliban e Pakistan being a veritable arm of CIA!

The thing is, it is the US that will lose out if it burns its bridges with Pakistan: they are the ones that are the 'outsiders' in the region. Pakistan & Afghanistan are here to stay, Pakistan has been through tougher times in its history (1971), & these terrorists/mercenaries will eventually be rooted out.

 

[President Camacho]

Again, they have claimed about having credible intelligence/evidence for a lot of things, but failed to provide it on most occasions. Time to provide the credible intelligence linking the Pakistani state to the Haqqanis & declaring it a terrorist state. But we know that's not going to happen. This has been the pattern in US-Pakistan relationships for a very very long time now.

The pattern has not been the same. They could have done all that for a long time now, esp when former ISI chief Mahmoud Ahmad was fired for having very close links with the Taliban.

Pakistan did not suffer from such allegations in the past simply because the US needed it gravely to build its influence in the region. But it is not happening the way the US desires, so the wind is blowing the other way. The Americans have their proof, and it will come out soon as well. And there won't be anyone to question its authenticity.

 

[53fd]

The pattern has not been the same. They could have done all that for a long time now, esp when former ISI chief Mahmoud Ahmad was fired for having very close links with the Taliban.

Pakistan did not suffer from such allegations in the past simply because the US needed it gravely to build its influence in the region. But it is not happening the way the US desires, so the wind is blowing the other way. The Americans have their proof, and it will come out soon as well. And there won't be anyone to question its authenticity.

The pattern is exactly the same: Pakistan has been accused of hosting the Quetta Shoora, the Afghan Taliban, the Hizb-e-Gulbideen group, Al-Qaeda, the LeT etc for quite a few years now, some even before 2001 (the nuclear sales as well). Pakistan should have declared a 'terrorist state' a long time ago. I doubt Americans have any proof, because if they did, they would have come out with it already, or leaked it through the press. Plus, the Haqqanis themselves have said they don't operate from Pakistan, but inside Afghanistan. There are areas right outside of Kabul completely outside the control of the US/Afghan Forces. Cherry picking our 'evidences' again, aren't we?

 

[great]

Again, they have claimed about having credible intelligence/evidence for a lot of things, but failed to provide it on most occasions. Time to provide the credible intelligence linking the Pakistani state to the Haqqanis & declaring it a terrorist state. But we know that's not going to happen. This has been the pattern in US-Pakistan relationships for a very very long time now.

I don't see why they have to? Did they share those credible details when they attacked Iraq or Afganistan? Which country stopped them? Would you be able to match American credibility with yours? Which statements would the world believe? After all India has long been saying the same thing.

 

[Windjammer]

The pattern has not been the same. They could have done all that for a long time now, esp when former ISI chief Mahmoud Ahmad was fired for having very close links with the Taliban.

Pakistan did not suffer from such allegations in the past simply because the US needed it gravely to build its influence in the region. But it is not happening the way the US desires, so the wind is blowing the other way. The Americans have their proof, and it will come out soon as well. And there won't be anyone to question its authenticity.

Yes, the wind has blown overnight and Haqqni has surpassed Al-Quaida in a jiffy.
As for the unwarranted proof......unless one suffers from a memory lapse, the evidence on WMD certainly blows you away.

 

[President Camacho]

The pattern is exactly the same: Pakistan has been accused of hosting the Quetta Shoora, the Afghan Taliban, the Hizb-e-Gulbideen group, Al-Qaeda, the LeT etc for quite a few years now, some even before 2001 (the nuclear sales as well). Pakistan should have declared a 'terrorist state' a long time ago. I doubt Americans have any proof, because if they did, they would have come out with it already, or leaked it through the press. Plus, the Haqqanis themselves have said they don't operate from Pakistan, but inside Afghanistan. There are areas outside of Kabul completely outside the control of the US/Afghan Forces. Cherry picking our 'evidences' again, aren't we?

Pakistan is not a guy next door. It is a nation with various entities controlling different aspects.

The government itself was not accused of hosting the Quetta Shura or the Afghan Taliban or Al Qaeda.

This is the first time the US is accusing the ISI of masterminding a terrorist attack in the mainland US. Did this ever happen before?

 

[53fd]

Pakistan is not a guy next door. It is a nation with various entities controlling different aspects.

The government itself was not accused of hosting the Quetta Shura or the Afghan Taliban or Al Qaeda.

This is the first time the US is accusing the ISI of masterminding a terrorist attack in the mainland US. Did this ever happen before?

Yes, similar things have happened before. The US also accused the Pakistan government of sanctioning the murder of Saleem Shahzad, but where is the evidence man? I'm still waiting for it.

 

[President Camacho]

Yes, the wind has blown overnight and Haqqni has surpassed Al-Quaida in a jiffy.
As for the unwarranted proof......unless one suffers from a memory lapse, the evidence on WMD certainly blows you away.

Before coming out with your oft repeated garbage, you should try re-reading my statements, carefully this time.

 

[SQ8]

IF.
and it is a very unlikely one..
but IF the Pakistani establishment has been double dealing with terrorism even after 9/11.
And the consequence of which has been the deaths of its own citizens..
It would shatter the nation.. to know that those that were responsible for ensuring the security of its borders.. and themselves..
Have been indirectly or directly responsible for the deaths of their brothers,sisters, mothers,daughters.

one can construe a fictional response, more anti-Americanism..a US response.
A false flag attack on the nuclear facilities..
Sanctions, Nukes targeted.. removed.
India attacks.. etc.

The worst case scenario for Pakistan is never the worst.

 

[Windjammer]

Before coming out with your oft repeated garbage, you should try re-reading my statements, carefully this time.

They indeed go side by side.

 

[53fd]

Pakistan is not a guy next door. It is a nation with various entities controlling different aspects.

The government itself was not accused of hosting the Quetta Shura or the Afghan Taliban or Al Qaeda.

This is the first time the US is accusing the ISI of masterminding a terrorist attack in the mainland US. Did this ever happen before?

First of all, Kabul is not mainland US. Secondly, the US has accused the ISI of being directly involved in international attacks before as well, most notably the Mumbai attacks.