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Turkish officials say Ankara is evaluating the US offer but it had not changed its plans on Russian S-400 systems.

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NATO allies Turkey and the US have been at odds over Ankara's purchase last year of the S-400s [File: Sebastian Apel/US Department of Defense/AP]

The United States has offered to sell Turkey its Patriot missile defence system if Ankara promises not to operate a rival Russian system, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said, in what he called a significant softening in Washington's position.

Two Turkish officials told Reuters News Agency that Turkey was evaluating the US offer but added that Ankara had not changed its plans for the Russian S-400 systems, which it has said it would start to activate next month.

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NATO allies Turkey and the US have been at odds over Ankara's purchase last year of the S-400s, which Washington says are incompatible with the alliance's defence systems.

After heavy fighting in northwestern Syria's Idlib region this year, Turkey asked Washington to deploy Patriots along its border with Syria for protection.

But the US said Turkey could not have both the S-400s and the Patriots.

Speaking to reporters on his return flight from Brussels, Erdogan said Ankara had told Washington to deploy Patriot systems to Turkey and that it was ready to buy the systems from the US, as well.

"We made this offer to the United States on the Patriot: If you are going to give us Patriots, then do it. We can also buy Patriots from you," he said.

"They also softened significantly on this S-400 issue. They are now at the point of 'promise us you won't make the S-400s operational,'" Erdogan added.

Previous talks between Turkey and the US on the purchase of the Patriots have collapsed over a host of issues, from the S-400s to Ankara's dissatisfaction with Washington's terms. Turkey has said it will only agree to an offer if it includes technology transfer and joint production terms.

Syria conflict
While ties between Ankara and Washington have been strained, the US has offered support for its ally as it battles to stop Russia-backed Syrian government advances in Idlib.

But US officials said on Tuesday Ankara had to clarify its position on the S-400s for their security ties to advance.

Turkey, Russia announce ceasefire in Syria's Idlib (2:26)
US special representative for Syria James Jeffrey and US Ambassador to Turkey David Satterfield told reporters on a conference call from Brussels that Washington was discussing with NATO what support it can offer Turkey militarily.

Jeffrey also said they had considered possible responses should Russia and the Syrian government break a ceasefire in Idlib, officials said.

He suggested other NATO states could individually or as an alliance provide military support to help Turkey.

But he ruled out sending ground troops and said there still needed to be a resolution to the S-400 issue for the security relationship to move forward.

"You can forget ground troops. Turkey has demonstrated that it and its opposition forces are more than capable of holding ground on their own," Jeffrey said.

"The issue is the situation in the air, and it's what we are looking at," he said, adding that Washington did not believe that Russia and Syrian had any interest in a permanent ceasefire in Idlib.

"They are out to get a military victory in Syria, and our goal is to make it difficult for them to do that," Jeffrey said.

"Our goal is ... to make them think twice. If they ignore our warnings and preparations and move forward, then we will react as rapidly as possible in consultation with our NATO and European allies on what the package of sanctions and other reactions will be."

'Position unchanged'
While Erdogan has frequently referred to the S-400 purchase as a "done deal" and said Turkey would not back away from it, he did not repeat that stance in his comments on Tuesday.

Turkish officials, however, said Turkey's position remained unchanged.

"The United States has once again brought up the Patriot offer. The United States' previous strong stance isn't the case any more. They are approaching Turkey more empathetically now," a senior official said.

"The core condition is that the S-400s are not activated, or in other words, they are not unboxed. This offer is being evaluated, but there is no change of stance on the S-400s," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Another Turkish official told Reuters the latest offer by Washington also included Turkey's return to the F-35 stealth fighter jet programme, which Ankara was involved in both as manufacturer of plane parts and customer for the jets.

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Turkey: S-400 system 'vital'; will retaliate to any US sanctions
After Ankara bought the S-400s, Washington suspended its involvement in the programme and threatened sanctions.

"There is a US offer for Patriots, but this offer includes the F-35s," the Turkish official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"Air defence systems can be purchased, but Turkey's conditions are clear: there has to be issues like the know-how transfer and joint production."

Turkey has said it plans to activate the S-400s it received from Russia in April. The US has warned such a move will trigger sanctions, though Ankara has repeatedly said good ties between Erdogan and US President Donald Trump may be able to avert this.

Under a US law, known as Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), purchase of defence equipment from Russia could invite sanctions. However, the president can opt to issue a waiver.

SOURCE: REUTERS NEWS AGENCY
 
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What was the purpose of creating this storm in a teacup in the first place?

Your guess is good as ours. This doesn’t look good especially after chances of backtracking. And also seeing how Russian equipment sucks probably not worth it.
 
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What was the purpose of creating this storm in a teacup in the first place?
It is a very complex game, Turkey is at the advantage as well as at a great disadvantage.
They came at advantage as soon as they procured S-400.
Russia doesn’t mean much to Turkey at the moment and Turkey can afford to lose it.
Turkey has Russia by its balls by acquiring S-400 which can be used as a tool to restart relations with US and get F-35 most importantly in exchange for allowing US near S-400.

@Mangus Ortus Novem
 
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"They also softened significantly on this S-400 issue. They are now at the point of 'promise us you won't make the S-400s operational,'" Erdogan added.

Is that really softening the stand significantly. Buy hardware worth billions of dollars and don't use it.
 
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Is that really softening the stand significantly. Buy hardware worth billions of dollars and don't use it.
American administration tough to deal, it means the US official crew will be in or around the equipment and make sure its not operational. They always keep there watchdog around expensive toys.
 
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Potential military help from fellow NATO members in Syria against Russia...while also getting Patriot and F35...that's too good to pass up...

Now the challenge is to negotiate some sort of tech transfer and joint production Turkey initially wanted...if Turkey can fast track these negotiations and get US to agree on that last part...
...it would be wise to forgo the S400.

In the technology aspect...
Not only would Turkey gain some tech know how that would help them in further developing their own air defense systems...they would be back on track as far as their air force plans. F35 would be available and Turkey wouldn't be facing the backlash from other NATO members which can come in handy for the development of TFX.

Militarily, Geopolitically, and Economically...
Turkey would get the help of other NATO members in Syrian intervention which would counter Russia. This would lessen the economic strain on Turkey to do that alone and probably mean better results through shared intelligence. Any CAATSA related potential sanctions would also be avoided.

The above are the pros...the obvious cons would be...
1) Soured relations with Russia...
...there weren't super great relations between them to begin with...and now especially given the indirect actions of Russia against Turkey through the Syrian conflict...it's not really an issue.
2) S400 just sitting there...
...it wasn't cheap to buy...if Turkey proceeds with these new developments and doesn't activate it...that's potentially a major loss. In that case perhaps something like what happened in case of Cyprus and Greece(for the S300) can be tried. Turkey coordinates with Russia...the S400 system in question is transferred to some other country that's interested. Russia gets the full payment as it would have from Turkey...the third country potentially receives S400 at a slightly lower price(price slightly lowered to attract other countries)...and Turkey just foots the bill for that difference. For that slight cost...Turkey would gain far more IMO.

@dBSPL @cabatli_53 @KediKesenFare @Hakikat ve Hikmet @GlobalMillitary96 @Hamzza @era_shield @Exxxe
I would like to know the opinions of our fellow Turks(or anyone for that matter) on PDF. Please keep it objective. Feel free to tag others.
 
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Potential military help from fellow NATO members in Syria against Russia...while also getting Patriot and F35...that's too good to pass up...

Now the challenge is to negotiate some sort of tech transfer and joint production Turkey initially wanted...if Turkey can fast track these negotiations and get US to agree on that last part...
...it would be wise to forgo the S400.

In the technology aspect...
Not only would Turkey gain some tech know how that would help them in further developing their own air defense systems...they would be back on track as far as their air force plans. F35 would be available and Turkey wouldn't be facing the backlash from other NATO members which can come in handy for the development of TFX.

Militarily, Geopolitically, and Economically...
Turkey would get the help of other NATO members in Syrian intervention which would counter Russia. This would lessen the economic strain on Turkey to do that alone and probably mean better results through shared intelligence. Any CAATSA related potential sanctions would also be avoided.

The above are the pros...the obvious cons would be...
1) Soured relations with Russia...
...there weren't super great relations between them to begin with...and now especially given the indirect actions of Russia against Turkey through the Syrian conflict...it's not really an issue.
2) S400 just sitting there...
...it wasn't cheap to buy...if Turkey proceeds with these new developments and doesn't activate it...that's potentially a major loss. In that case perhaps something like what happened in case of Cyprus and Greece(for the S300) can be tried. Turkey coordinates with Russia...the S400 system in question is transferred to some other country that's interested. Russia gets the full payment as it would have from Turkey...the third country potentially receives S400 at a slightly lower price(price slightly lowered to attract other countries)...and Turkey just foots the bill for that difference. For that slight cost...Turkey would gain far more IMO.

@dBSPL @cabatli_53 @KediKesenFare @Hakikat ve Hikmet @GlobalMillitary96 @Hamzza @era_shield @Exxxe
I would like to know the opinions of our fellow Turks(or anyone for that matter) on PDF. Please keep it objective. Feel free to tag others.
Turkey's one of the fundamental objectives was to test S-400 radar capabilities and fine-tuning her EW systems accordingly. For Turkey knew at some point of time Syrian regime has to be taken care of. The biggest challenge is the Russian AD systems. The recent results from the field show it's done....

Now, it's the time to go back to the "square one". The Turkish Establishment has apparently already decided on that. A known enemy is better than an unknown friend...

Will Turkey get the workshare of the F35 back?
Her work share was supposed to be ending in Feb/March. Now, it's extended till the end of 2020...
 
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We didn’t and most certainly re-sell policy is strict from Russian side @The Eagle ?
As for the Coronavirus, it’s not easy and no fun to be around the folks who think it’s like a one-way ticket into this world....

As for S-400, Russia might be happy with the transfer to get an end to the humiliation of her AD systems....
 
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