US making 'big bet' on India in wake of Pak-China alliance: Russian media

[My-Analogous]

US making 'big bet' on India in wake of Pak-China alliance: Russian media
March 26, 2017, 8:51 pm

The United States is "seriously concerned" about the growing alliance between Pakistan and China, prompting Washington to make a "big bet" on India, says Vzglyad, a Russian online newspaper.

"Washington is seriously concerned about the strengthening of the core China-Pakistan in the Asia-Pacific region," says the newspaper.

"Growing Chinese activity in the Asia-Pacific region and Central Asia against the backdrop of the loss of influence on Islamabad makes them do a big bet on India. That they see it as the main counterweight to China and the deterrent factor."

An increasing Chinese presence, according to the newspaper, in the Asia-Pacific region in general and in Pakistan in particular has prompted Washington to "actively" increase its "military cooperation with New Delhi".

The newspaper says that Islamabad's fallout with Washington in recent times "allowed China to take their niche, significantly strengthening its influence in Central Asia".

This strategic Sino-Pak alliance, it says, and the ever-increasing defence cooperation between the two countries have become a sign of concern for New Delhi.

"The planned opening of China's military bases in Pakistan actually closes the ring of Chinese bases around India. In Delhi, a growing fear that the strengthening of cooperation of Beijing and Islamabad, especially in the military sphere, may result in their aggression against India."

Islamabad considers China an "all-weather friend" and in recent years the countries have grown even closer on the back of the $57 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a Beijing-funded network of road, rail and pipelines that will link western China with Pakistan's Arabian Sea port of Gwadar.

The armies of the two countries have in recent years increased cooperation. A 90-member Chinese contingent participated for the first time in the Pakistan Day parade in Islamabad on March 23.
http://nation.com.pk/national/26-Ma...a-in-wake-of-pak-china-alliance-russian-media
@Areesh @django @The Sandman @Hell hound @DESERT FIGHTER

Actually it is US who abandon us fourth time and going towards India and this is our first and final abandon to US and its hurt them badly because India can't be Pakistan and for the first time in US history this is become very big diplomatic failure of US and it give China a huge advantage and now US don't have anything left to give Pakistan. US her self hurt because of same mistake she did fourth time

 

[NakedLunch]

This 'bet' is the same 'bet' America made on Pakistan. It is the same 'bet' America makes whenever it is about to ask a country to commit hera kiri for America's self-interest, Indians learned nothing from Pakistan's experience with America. If only India thought of Asia and itself as Asian. Modi is helping the West divide and rule Asia. Asia should unite with China for a safe and secure Asia. The West has done enough damage to Asia over the last 400 years.

 

[el nino]

I actually THINK USA have made a very smart move

For first time since end of World War 2 USA has India on side

An india that has risen to become 6th largest gdp ON the plant with a market of 1,2 billon. people

The MISTAKE has BEEN made BY china ........in losing INDIA to Pakistan.

IMAGINE A SINO INDIAN alliance for the next two decades

big diplomatic mistake for china not have wooed india far more

India Russian ties will stay strong they wont change too much both nations need each other too much and there is long developed trust .

 

[Hulk]

the easiest way to checkmate Pakistan would be USA-Iran alliance
dealing with the mullahs in Tehran is not easy

Their focus is China not Pakistan. Pakistan is not that big for them. I see that a thread about China and US is suddenly become about Pakistan and Iran.

 

[wiseone2]

Their focus is China not Pakistan. Pakistan is not that big for them. I see that a thread about China and US is suddenly become about Pakistan and Iran.

I see a lot of folks defensive

 

[My-Analogous]

I actually THINK USA have made a very smart move

For first time since end of World War 2 USA has India on side

An india that has risen to become 6th largest gdp ON the plant with a market of 1,2 billion. people

The MISTAKE has BEEN made BY china ........in losing INDIA to Pakistan.

IMAGINE A SINO INDIAN alliance for the next two decades

big diplomatic mistake for china not have wooed india far more

India Russian ties will stay strong they wont change too much both nations need each other too much and there is long developed trust .

Same US made wrong move then China and Pakistan combine have 1.38 (China) and (.20) Pakistan billion which make 1.58 billion vrs 1.2 billion with GDP 9.24 Trillion China and 300 Billion Pakistan make 9.50 Trillion vrs India 2.09Trillion. So your logic busted here.

And for Chinese mistake or not choosing Pakistan over India will be answered by my Chinese iron brothers.

Regarding Russian India ties. You guys lose it to choose US over Russia.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

Now your just trying to shamelessly change the topic.

By the way I suggest you read up on the Soviet-Afghan war, Pakistan was responsible for their failure, we ran the Mujaheddin, sent in our own SSG, captured defectors, and even shot down around 8 soviet aircraft. The US provided up with the resources and equipment allowing us to do these things. That war directly led to their downfall, so in some ways we are responsible for the soviet unions collapse.

Heres how it was all organised according to the book "Afghanistan – The Bear Trap: The Defeat of a Superpower"

I assume that people on this forum are way beyond kindergarten as it is expected that the comments will not be read in isolation but in the context of discussion. I said many theories develop around an event and people in lesser educated nations coupled with authoritarian regimes are deprived of the truth as they are fed what is convenient to the ruling class. But the outside world knows the truth as they get access to all the theories. People also subsequently prefer the theory that suits their palate rather than tasting the bitter truth. To understand the ground realities better, one needs to read between the lines.
I rest my case.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Pakistanis need to stop living this lie that the U S deceived us ---. The truth is that the pakistanis deceived themselves for the fourth time.

This time around---they had all the opportunity of making things right---but out of habbit---theyscrewed up again---.

 

[Musafir117]

Hi,

Pakistanis need to stop living this lie that the U S deceived us ---. The truth is that the pakistanis deceived themselves for the fourth time.

This time around---they had all the opportunity of making things right---but out of habbit---theyscrewed up again---.

Pakistan could not be slave of American, if American put their national interests first than why not Pakistan? Second we are not Pakistan of 70's We are more confident and need more respect. On WoT the big issue between us is Afghanistan and here we need to protect our interests. If USA not agree he have his choices and we have ours. Peace

 

[Fledgingwings]

The coming time will Clarify everything.till then lets wait and see.

 

[Zhukov]

AH1Z attack helicopters do not change the balance of power. they are ideal for counter-insurgency operations



I understand China filling the gap. Russia ??



you should ask your friends about your chances in a war. it is amazing you expect help from your friends but you won't listen to their advice.

Stick to the point of USA being not an ally and being a hostile country.
No one is discussing balance of power Equations here.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

I assume that people on this forum are way beyond kindergarten as it is expected that the comments will not be read in isolation but in the context of discussion. I said many theories develop around an event and people in lesser educated nations coupled with authoritarian regimes are deprived of the truth as they are fed what is convenient to the ruling class. But the outside world knows the truth as they get access to all the theories. People also subsequently prefer the theory that suits their palate rather than tasting the bitter truth. To understand the ground realities better, one needs to read between the lines.
I rest my case.

Yes, and when a nation is so unhappy they will just outright present propaganda to make people focus on a single enemy (Pakistan).

Ive shown facts, and you've done nothing except ridiculous statements like "the whole world knows the truth", the truth is that nobody outside of India gives a shit about what the Indian media says so if Zee News tells you that Pakistan is an authoritarian regime that lies about the Soviet-Afghan War, then so be it.

 

[el nino]

Regarding Russian India ties. You guys lose it to choose US over Russia

The worlds politics is far more complicated than a kindergarten play ground or a Asian Family feud

Ie you talk to them........... SO WE ARE NOT TALKING to You...

ITS not so striaght forward

for 70 years Pakistan had both USA and CHINA watching its back

its only recently after the OBL raid and a realisation by usa that certain Pakistani power blocs are playing a double game that USA/PAK relations have nose dived.

India has moved into the vacuum and used its political clout to simply hasten the divorce of USA/PAK.

The net result is for all to see no F16 deal
big drop in grant Aid
zero support on Kashmir
not a penny in FDI from USA into Pakistan.
Big push by USA to invite india into Kabul

Where indo USA strategic relations go time will tell bcause TRUMP is a isolationist

Back to RUSSIA so Pakistanis feel Russia is moving away ???
This seems strange because they are
backing india on permanent UN seat
NSG induction
And have just agreed 5 huge military deals for $15 billion
including SU30KI upgrade programme
2nd Akula nuke sub
S400 ABM
4 new gorgorvich frigates

Moving away from india AND Russia is cutting its own throat

 

[IceCold]

Back to RUSSIA so Pakistanis feel Russia is moving away ???
This seems strange because they are
backing india on permanent UN seat
NSG induction
And have just agreed 5 huge military deals for $15 billion
including SU30KI upgrade programme
2nd Akula nuke sub
S400 ABM
4 new gorgorvich frigates

Moving away from india AND Russia is cutting its own throat

The above is all true but here are some more facts:
First ever military exercise with Pakistan since the end of cold days
First ever lifting of Russian sanctions on military hardware for Pakistan and subsequent purchase of military helicopters by Pakistan
First ever trilateral meeting between Russia, China and Pakistan over the faith of Afghanistan.
Russian investment in energy sector of Pakistan.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1249730/north-south-pipeline-pakistan-russia-reach-lng-price-accord/
Russian interest in CPEC.
Russia snubbed India during recent BRICS summit and did not name Pakistan over alleged allegations of sponsored terrorism contrary to Indian hopes and wishes.
Here is another interesting fact. US just left Russia behind as top arms supplier to India.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ms-supplier-to-India/articleshow/40142455.cms
So while all above is happening between Russia and India but this is not a zero sum game as you made it out to be for Russia and neither will it be like throat cutting for Russia. India cannot move away from Russia completely because India still needs Russia for all the spare parts for the Russian made weapons while Russia surely can and will look for alternative markets even if that means selling hardware to Pakistan.

 

[el nino]

The above is all true but here are some more facts:

So while all above is happening between Russia and India but this is not a zero sum game as you made it out to be for Russia and neither will it be like throat cutting for Russia. India cannot move away from Russia completely because India still needs Russia for all the spare parts for the Russian made weapons while Russia surely can and will look for alternative markets even if that means selling hardware to Pakistan.

Who said India is moving away ?????????

Its you people suggesting RUSSIA is Moving AWAY

India IS NOT moving away

India is simply working with multiple players USA Russia France & Israel are all equally important.

BUT india does not rely on one SOURCE

Russia can sell weapons to Pakistan . I'm sure Russia will sell you SU35B but they want $85 million each

They will sell you S400 regiment buts it will cost $1 billion per regiment.

MONEY TALKS IN THIS WORLD