US, Israeli submarines surface in Gulf to reinforce warning to Tehran

[BHAN85]

US, Israeli submarines surface in Gulf to reinforce warning to Tehran

Dec 22, 2020 @ 13:33

In a coordinated warning to Iran, the USS Georgia cruise missile submarine crossed the Strait of Hormuz on Monday, Dec. 21, joining the Israeli submarine reported to have reached the Gulf after crossing through the Suez Canal.

The Georgia’s arrival was announced by the US Navy, along with detailed pictures of the submarine, which can carry 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 66 special forces soldiers, and is escorted by the cruisers USS Port Royal and USS Philippine Sea. This force “demonstrates the United States’ commitment to regional partners and maritime security with a full spectrum of capabilities to remain ready to defend against any threat at any time,” the Navy warned.

On Sunday, Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, the head of US Central Command (Centcom), said Washington is “prepared to react” if Iran carries out an attack to mark one year since the killing of Iranian commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani by a US drone attack Baghdad airport on Jan. 3, 2020.

“We are prepared to defend ourselves, our friends and partners in the region, and we’re prepared to react if necessary.”

While the IDF declined to confirm the Israeli submarine’s voyage, reported by national radio from “Arab sources,” IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Aviv Kohavi’s warning to Iran on Monday reinforced the US message. Responding to Tehran’s vow of revenge for the killing blamed on Israel of Iran’s top nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh three weeks ago, Gen. Kohavi said the Jewish State would hit back for any Iranian attack. During the IDF’s Operational Achievement Awards ceremony, the general said: “If Iran and its partners, members of the radical axis, either directly or by proxy, takes action against the State of Israel, they will find themselves in a situation that costs them dear.”

Spelling out the warning, Kohavi said: “The IDF will strike all those involved in activities against the State of Israel or against Israeli targets, whether in part or in full, whether near or far. I say this simply, clearly and with complete commitment: our retaliatory steps have been prepared and rehearsed. I advise our enemies not to test us,” he said.

The Israeli submarine passed through the Suez Canal a week ago openly with Egyptian approval, according to Arab intelligence sources. It surfaced upon arrival in Gulf waters where it joined the US flotilla of submarine and escorting cruisers.

DEBKAfile: The US and Israel have timed their joint naval maneuver to warn Tehran off from being tempted to take advantage of the political uncertainty in its enemies’ capitals to vent its promised revenge. The US is in transition between two presidents until Joe Biden is sworn in on Jan. 20, while Israel is on the brink of a new election in March and will be ruled by a caretaker government in the interim.

https://www.debka.com/us-israeli-submarines-surface-in-gulf-to-reinforce-warning-to-tehran/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Georgia_(SSGN-729)

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@Horus israeli submarine right next to our Waters! This is a huge huge National security threat here.......These dolphin Subs are optimized for intel gathering too. Our Navy must start their ASW activities ASAP and locate this submarine quickly!

This sub is most likely will go to UAE, or American bases in Gulf for resupply!
@Rashid Mahmood

 

[Abu Dhabi]

and locate this submarine quickly!

Then what happens ?

 

[Titanium100]

@Horus israeli submarine right next to our Waters! This is a huge huge National security threat here.......These dolphin Subs are optimized for intel gathering too. Our Navy must start their ASW activities ASAP and locate this submarine quickly!

This sub is most likely will go to UAE, or American bases in Gulf for resupply!
@Rashid Mahmood

Pakistan is not in the Arabian Gulf far from your waters. They are on friendly waters

 

[BHAN85]

Remembering Iranian caps with GPS-Mil spoofing (GPS Replay attack):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident

What is the sense in use a submarine armed with Tomahawks against a country than can spoof Tomahawks guidance system?

Iran is not Libya, and RQ-170 incident was in 2011, imagine what must have Iran today.

By the other side, I dont understand the sense in use submarine when u tell everybody where your submarines are .

 

[BATMAN]

Then what happens ?

Than Imran Khan media cell will go bonkers.

https://www.debka.com/us-israeli-submarines-surface-in-gulf-to-reinforce-warning-to-tehran/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Georgia_(SSGN-729)

What's the source of information?

Doesn't make sense considering US do not need Israel's support to decimate IRGC.
Infact US help IRGC to run the show in region.

 

[flameboard]

Pakistan is not in the Arabian Gulf far from your waters. They are on friendly waters

They definitely passed by Gwadar Naval Base to get to the Persian Gulf. This is a bad sign for Pakistan and it could get pulled into this mess.

Unfortunately Pakistan Navy requires massive growth

 

[akshay gehlot]

They definitely passed by Gwadar Naval Base to get to the Persian Gulf. This is a bad sign for Pakistan and it could get pulled into this mess.

Unfortunately Pakistan Navy requires massive growth

Lol what ... The gulf of Oman is 300 miles + wide at Gwadar , No one has to come even remotely close to Gwadar or Pakistani waters to get into the Gulf and go to the strait of Hormuz .

 

[Imran Khan]

@Horus israeli submarine right next to our Waters! This is a huge huge National security threat here.......These dolphin Subs are optimized for intel gathering too. Our Navy must start their ASW activities ASAP and locate this submarine quickly!

This sub is most likely will go to UAE, or American bases in Gulf for resupply!
@Rashid Mahmood

but we have ASW which usa throw away and we buy from scrap yard direct .

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

https://www.debka.com/us-israeli-submarines-surface-in-gulf-to-reinforce-warning-to-tehran/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Georgia_(SSGN-729)

With guidance and protection from the might of the UAE armed forces, the americans and israelis will be saved.

 

[aryobarzan]

The last thing a hostile Israeli or arab pilot will see intruding into the Iranian airspace..

Iranian AD missile hitting its target (unbelievable, real photos ) ..probably what the US global Hawk saw before going down.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Remembering Iranian caps with GPS-Mil spoofing (GPS Replay attack):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident

What is the sense in use a submarine armed with Tomahawks against a country than can spoof Tomahawks guidance system?

Iran is not Libya, and RQ-170 incident was in 2011, imagine what must have Iran today.

By the other side, I dont understand the sense in use submarine when u tell everybody where your submarines are .

It is not just GPS, it has guidance such as TERCOM, INS, DSMAC.

The last thing a hostile Israeli or arab pilot will see intruding into the Iranian airspace..

Iranian AD missile hitting its target (unbelievable, real photos ) ..probably what the US global Hawk saw before going down.

In today's war, nobody goes into contested airspace without significant SEAD assets. Israel doesn't plan on using planes, it will barrage CM, and BM Iran.

 

[flameboard]

Lol what ... The gulf of Oman is 300 miles + wide at Gwadar , No one has to come even remotely close to Gwadar or Pakistani waters to get into the Gulf and go to the strait of Hormuz .

oh it matters! A country you don’t recognize, that holds negative views towards your prosperity shows up in your neighbourhood... you bet there are issues

look at China it claims huge portions of the South China Sea. This is an area larger than many countries, but regional stability and absence of threats is key

 

[Oldman1]

It is not just GPS, it has guidance such as TERCOM, INS, DSMAC.

Tomahawk is very jam resistant. And if Iran has such capability to take control of our drones, why shoot down the Global Hawk that was practically next door? Could have take it over.

In today's war, nobody goes into contested airspace without significant SEAD assets. Israel doesn't plan on using planes, it will barrage CM, and BM Iran.

Yep, they tend to forget planes can shoot back at radars and SAMs. Or see them first and bomb them.

 

[BHAN85]

It is not just GPS, it has guidance such as TERCOM, INS, DSMAC.

In today's war, nobody goes into contested airspace without significant SEAD assets. Israel doesn't plan on using planes, it will barrage CM, and BM Iran.

Tercom/DSMAC in a desert? It wouldn't work well, because ground continously change.

INS (Inertial guidance) must have not so much accuracy. It could be useful when you launch a nuke and no matter miles of error, but it's not useful for tomahawks warheads.

Tomahawks is a tool for kill poor people and poor countries and it's absolute useless for a country with the technology level of Iran .

Due to that American don't attack Iran in 2011/2012, because when American know how Iran capture the RQ-170 they shit their pants .

I think Israel only wants to do a war-blackmailing with GCC states, they are threating: Give money or I'll do a mess in Hormuz Strait. But I think they really can't do anything.

Tomahawk is very jam resistant. And if Iran has such capability to take control of our drones, why shoot down the Global Hawk that was practically next door? Could have take it over.


Yep, they tend to forget planes can shoot back at radars and SAMs. Or see them first and bomb them.

GPS Spoofing it's not jamming.

GPS-Mil replay attacks inserts a delay in the GPS signal (Get the signal, wait a delay and resend with more power to the target) to give the false location to target.

And due to that RQ-170 landed in a Iranian base, because RQ-170 though it was landing in the position of a American base.



This error can't be fixed, and it happens in any GPS like system, no matter how many encryption you use, you can't encrypt the delay time of signal, you can encrypt only the information you transmit in the signal.