US, India and Japan launch joint naval exercises to keep China in check

[DragonHunter]

3 Mig 29Ks & 2 F-18 flying in formation over INS VIKRAMADITYA & USS NIMITZ.

 

[Han Patriot]

our Subs was never found by fishermen

lol China did a Missile strike

Yup one of your rented subs did this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Russian_submarine_K-152_Nerpa_accident

It was supposed to have been Indian sailors, they were lucky by a few weeks and yet you still paid millions to rent the same ship 'refitted' for Indian use.. Btw you don't have any indigenous submarines to be able to have an accident cause you can't BUILD a simple conventional submarine 'indigenously'.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

They stopped not because they are afraid of India genius, it was because of Soviet Union, and because there is no 'mutual defense treaty', US was not compelled to protect Pakistan, thereby leaving the two to fight each other off. Hey that might be true also, China might just let Trump get some protection money from Taiwan to appease the hawks back in US.

I thought you just agreed to buy billions of unarmed drones?


What do you want us to do to bunch of malnourished Indians with no weapons, holding hands in a human shield form? Mow them down?

That's what Nehru said too when we entered Tibet. . You mean broke down like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Naval_accidents


The problem is when you run out bullets, you need to run to the shop to buy, while you run, someone will shoot you back.


Erm, did China back off? Last I heard someone was proposing to back off.

The point is India didn't stop then, only Soviets were backing India then, USA, China, Middle East, Iran were all solidly behind Pakistan- US did send Its 7th fleet If that was not to defend Pakistan then what else they could've sent ? Space ships ?

Today the situation has changed, India has more allies in both East Sea and South China sea- China stands alone-

And how does that makes it any better for China(More weapons with Taiwan and more money with USA)-

That deal is under scrutiny, India wants Avanger C stealth UCAV and Trition High altitude drone instead-

The Bulldozer was from Indian side, you forgot the picture posted by your Foreign Ministry, I wonder why are they there- Don't give Indian Army ideas- already one Child policy has caused lots of harm, this one could increase the ageing speed of China-

Nehru was short sighted person, Unfortunately there is no Nehru today-

 

[DragonHunter]

We are lacking in submarine build-up because long ago our Democratic government considered Submarines pose a aggressive sign of force to have it for defensive purpose they limited the sibs numbers very low, but now things are changing.

It was supposed to have been Indian sailors, they were lucky by a few weeks and yet you still paid millions to rent the same ship 'refitted' for Indian use.. Btw you don't have any indigenous submarines to be able to have an accident cause you can't BUILD a simple conventional submarine 'indigenously'.

We are lacking in submarine build-up because long ago our Democratic government considered Submarines pose a aggressive sign of force to have it for defensive purpose they limited the sibs numbers very low, but now things are changing.

 

[Han Patriot]

We are lacking in submarine build-up because long ago our Democratic government considered Submarines pose a aggressive sign of force to have it for defensive purpose they limited the sibs numbers very low, but now things are changing.

We are lacking in submarine build-up because long ago our Democratic government considered Submarines pose a aggressive sign of force to have it for defensive purpose they limited the sibs numbers very low, but now things are changing.

You considered them aggressive and you rented nuclear Charlie. Gr8 Gandhian logic!

 

[DragonHunter]

You considered them aggressive and you rented nuclear Charlie. Gr8 Gandhian logic!

You must be a 13 yr old kid, or piece of CCP propoganda team,,, My post clear explain why we don't end up in number game of Submarines, but kept few of them to counter, Submarines aren't a piece of gem that India can't have today even North Korean have had in hundreds.

 

[Han Patriot]

The point is India didn't stop then, only Soviets were backing India then, USA, China, Middle East, Iran were all solidly behind Pakistan- US did send Its 7th fleet If that was not to defend Pakistan then what else they could've sent ? Space ships ?

If the 7th fleet was meant to defend Pakistan, then why did it not defend Pakistan?. It was meant to deter India from trying to be funny. If US attacked India, the Russians were preparing to enter the war themselves. You really think India was a supa powa?

They were only 2 superpowers back then, either SU or US. if both got engaged, it is WWIII. The same reason why US won't enter a 'war' with China when we attack India.

Today the situation has changed, India has more allies in both East Sea and South China sea- China stands alone-

And how does that makes it any better for China(More weapons with Taiwan and more money with USA)-

Allies? Who is going to send ships to defend India? Can you tell me? Did you allies give you bases in Djibouti, and Gwadar?

China will not attack Taiwan, just like China didn't attack HK, both are only valuable if they are intact. China is just closing a blind eye by 'mere' protest, you see any sanctions? They just don't give a hoot unless Taiwan declare independence, Taiwan paying protection fee without any real ramifications is just giving Trump some present to appease the hawks back home. It's Taiwanese money anyway and you think they are getting F-35s?

That deal is under scrutiny, India wants Avanger C stealth UCAV and Trition High altitude drone instead-

The Bulldozer was from Indian side, you forgot the picture posted by your Foreign Ministry, I wonder why are they there- Don't give Indian Army ideas- already one Child policy has caused lots of harm, this one could increase the ageing speed of China-

Nehru was short sighted person, Unfortunately there is no Nehru today-

Yaya, that's what all suckers say, the truth is you are getting milked again, paying billions for "22" drones. Our CH-5 has the same specs at cheaper prices and it's armed.

Have you seen our bulldozers too bulldozing your bunkers? Those bulldozer were to form a blockade together with pictures of your soldier holding hands singing kumbaya with no guns to form a happy human chain.

Our one child policy is preventing us from getting the upcoming Indian 'demographic dividend'

You must be a 13 yr old kid, or piece of CCP propoganda team,,, My post clear explain why we don't end up in number game of Submarines, but kept few of them to counter, Submarines aren't a piece of gem that India can't have today even North Korean have had in hundreds.

I am 33 this year with a 2 year old kid. . The truth is you just can't keep up with the numbers game, not because you were peaceful. You have to import everything at crazy prices, you think you can afford to match mass produced indigenous Chinese subs? Assuming a 500mil$ pricetag for Scorpene, to make 20 subs will need 10 billion$ and decades. China makes them at 200mil$ a piece and even comes with AIP and VLS all mass produced in 3-4 years.

 

[GuardianRED]

You must be a 13 yr old kid, or piece of CCP propoganda team,,, My post clear explain why we don't end up in number game of Submarines, but kept few of them to counter, Submarines aren't a piece of gem that India can't have today even North Korean have had in hundreds.

Pal stop replying to the white troll... not wrought your time. He trolls every thread, must get off going this all day!. Best is carry-on and contribute else where.

Cheers

 

[Hamza913]

Now cheer up! It's all in good humor.

Hard to tell who's making humour and who's trolling these days.

 

[$@rJen]

Yup one of your rented subs did this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Russian_submarine_K-152_Nerpa_accident

It was supposed to have been Indian sailors, they were lucky by a few weeks and yet you still paid millions to rent the same ship 'refitted' for Indian use.. Btw you don't have any indigenous submarines to be able to have an accident cause you can't BUILD a simple conventional submarine 'indigenously'.

Epic Fail....

It was russians who caused the accident and It was a human error...

Kid.. learn about arihant that's roaming the IOR now

we took long time because we don't steal blue prints you chinese copy cats

Anyhow How is the Chinese Missile strike on India in Sikkim

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Malabar2017?src=hash

https://twitter.com/x/status/886226494539706368

https://twitter.com/x/status/886232299536175104

 

[Han Patriot]

Epic Fail....

It was russians who caused the accident and It was a human error...

Kid.. learn about arihant that's roaming the IOR now

we took long time because we don't steal blue prints you chinese copy cats

Anyhow How is the Chinese Missile strike on India in Sikkim

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Malabar2017?src=hash

There is nothing failing here when that substandard submarine was tested for you bhai.. Imagine those officers arrived earlier and were onboard. Let's put it this way, farmer A build his house himself, it crumbled and kill his son. Farmer B asked a builder to build a house, it crumbled and killed the builders.

Yah, you say the same over and over again, spend billions and billions, good luck with the self righteousness, you did not copy, you paid for 'TOT' spoonfed, and yet you failed, there were literally 'consultants' there to hold ya hands. Missile strikes on hold since Indian Minister says open to negotiations and withdrawing is an 'option'.

 

[$@rJen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/886524500589690880

There is nothing failing here when that substandard submarine was tested for you bhai.. Imagine those officers arrived earlier and were onboard. Let's put it this way, farmer A build his house himself, it crumbled and kill his son. Farmer B asked a builder to build a house, it crumbled and killed the builders.

Yah, you say the same over and over again, spend billions and billions, good luck with the self righteousness, you did not copy, you paid for 'TOT' spoonfed, and yet you failed, there were literally 'consultants' there to hold ya hands. Missile strikes on hold since Indian Minister says open to negotiations and withdrawing is an 'option'.

Why do you cry about something that didn't happen

While A Chinese Sub was sunk for days and no one in the navy had a clue

All hail the Chinese Fishermen who Fished out the Submarine

https://twitter.com/x/status/855763874586513410

 

[Han Patriot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/886524500589690880

Why do you cry about something that didn't happen

While A Chinese Sub was sunk for days and no one in the navy had a clue

All hail the Chinese Fishermen who Fished out the Submarine

It happened, just that Russian soldiers were killed instead of Indian soldiers and you are using that same submarine now. The Chinese sub was on silent mode and no one can detect it until it surfaced.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

You are assuming they will not allow, what are they gonna do when 100-200 planes flyover their airspace? . They can just remain neutral by not joining the war, and play innocent. If India attacks them, this will create another front for India. You telling me India can fight a 3.5 front war now? . Genius, first you say Chinese can't go through Myanmar and now you are proposing us to go through your NE states? LOL. Are you nuts? By then the war at the border would be ongoing to trigger scenario 2. And if you use air force in that skirmish, Tezpur and gang would have been neutralized.



No, if you attack in scenario 1, it would have been scenario 2, pay attention please. I explicitly divided the scenarios for this purpose. You can just say scenario 1 will not happen and move directly to scenario 2. 14 ships in the IOR now are not imaginary, these are the ones you can detect, what about those you can't detect?imagine what will happen when Gwadar and Djibouti are fully operational, somebody is gonna get a pain.



Is it 1 or 2? You have not idea right? Just a guesstimate? Assuming 10 attack vessels, 2 support vessels and 2 survey ships is more reasonable. Remember these ships are based around Djibouti/Karachi(future in Gwadar) areas for a reason, when you attack Karachi or places near Pakistan, you will trigger Pakistani Navy and Air Force, this is why I say 70-80% strength is adequate. Remember your fleet is divided into two, are you telling me your whole fleet from the East will sail and attack together, further exposing yourselves to attack from Yunnan? Remember I told you the strategic intent of the fleet, it is a deterrent, India will not choose to attack the Chinese/Pakistani first, they will blockade or harass commercial vessels first, downstream of Pakistan. We are upstream near the gulf, when that happens, we harass back your ships. Also do note that the majority of Chinese trade are carried out by foreign vessels and tankers. You attack those international fleet, you are declaring war against the international community.

Casino carrier, that casino carrier is a training ship which sailed from North to South China, the distance is roughly the same like sailing from Hainan to Andaman. This same casino carrier was bought for 20 mil and upgraded by Chinese, how much did you pay for your smaller Vikram? The Russians milked you good right?.

Don't have to tellme what missiles you have, we have more advanced missiles with longer ranges and we produce them in bulk, what are you gonna do when you run out of missiles? Import?

Let me repeat myself, before we even reach A&R, your base would have been disabled, by the time we reach A&R, it would be destroyed.



Scenario 3 is all out war. Before you go into essay mode, check the military balance. In a non-nuclear war, India is gonna be toasted.


Who do you think India is? Supa Powa? Why do you think we have a base there? So we have a base but we can't use it? Use some common sense.
What is Myanmar going to do when 100-200 fighter fly through their air space? Attack them? Protest?

Well if you want to lose all international support you can do that.We are not worried.Our SAMs directly nearby in NE can then shoot them down over their airspace with impunity.Even with this,there is a limited number of aircraft that can enter North eastern IOR ,and they would be at the edge of their operational radius.They will be without land based radar/guidance/awacs support and will be flanked by IAF bases in eastern india.You can't neutralize anything because your air force is handicapped and congested in tibet.

It doesn't matter what you think is reasonable,what matters is what you actually have.You have 5-6 combat vessels at most in IOR.And they are not together in a fleet.Small patrols of 2-3 vessels.China has NEVER sent a large flotilla of CBG size(even without carrier) to IOR.Check your own naval deployments,most fo the ships in IOR are oceanic survey,maritime surveillence electronic ships,supply vessels.Your submarines right now are noisy and we pick them up regularly and we share data with americans on chinese movements.Our P-8I are waiting no problem.
Yes,dream of what will happen once the ports are operational and actually have 10-20 warships in them.Right now you have no capability to operate in IOR,none.Meanwhile we will sink your tankers at will.

You have no ships in gwadar and PN is a joke that can be destroyed in 24 hrs.Its a suicide mission for them to attack IN. Second PAF is only capable as a defensive force atm.Formidable in their own skies,but very little capability to attack indian airspace.We can finish PN with a relatively small fleet.All the rest will be concentrated east with focus around andaman and south and eastern india.With our advantage of anti access /denial based around andman as a forward outpost and backed by the mainland forces from south india PLAN will need 3 times the forces to break in and will suffer devastating losses.

Your own experts have called casino carrier a training ship and its crew kindergarten pilots.It can only move from coast to coast lol.It has never been deployed outside Chinese coastal area in SCS,it even broke down in one deployment.We need just 24 brahmos to finish this junk and its CBG.
You have no missile in the calibre of barak-8.Only USN sm-3 and european aster are comparable.Your HQ-9 can't even engage sea skimmer cruise missile lol,forget engaging brahmos.You have no anti ship missile as good as brahmos.The best you have is yj-12 ,your latest weapon which is much inferior to brahmos in range and supersonic flight capability.You have no answer to a couple of camouflaged brahmos batteries deployed in andaman.You enter IOR,you get locked on.Then turn back or die.Simple.Hundreds of brahmos are waiting,it will be good target practice on your ships when they are assaulted from 3 directions and fighting blind with no guidance support.

 

[wiseone2]

US are abandoning them not in times of war and most of it is to maintain diplomatic relations. Cuba is a good example of US enforcing this doctrine, when a hostile Cuban government takes over, they are bound by strategic interest to maintain a base.


You are talking as if this is an all out war, how many countries are you going to attack, at most you will try to attack Djibouti base, but are you gonna attack US base in Djibouti? Or the Djibouti capital?

We are legally bound by an agreement, what is there to argue. If you go to court, even they would enforce that agreement. Notice Philippines only evict Americans after an agreement expires.

That's why I told you Djibouti and Gwadar are great pincer moves, it basically neutralizes Indian threat to the trade routes. You screw us downstream, we screw you upstream. Simple balance of power in IOR. With this in place, the war in the border can be localized, and you would most likely know the outcome of such a war.

I am just waiting for Gwadar to go online, it will have better location than Karachi.

Djibouti is not stupid to commit suicide. They provided the base to help China with peacekeeping operations in Africa not wage war on India. India can launch precise attacks on Djibouti without targeting US bases.

Nope there are no binding legal agreements on military bases. If turkey asks NATO to stop operations from Incirlik air base tomorrow the operations stop. If South Korea asks USA to leave tomorrow American troops leave. You are at the mercy of the host country.

Even Pakistan is not going to allow you to use Gwadar. Everytime there is potential of India-Pakistan Pakistan comes under intense pressure