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US fines Chinese firm for re-sales to Pakistan nuclear plant

China cannot force countries into nuclear trade...so a veto means jack **** if a country such as the US or Australia decide to unilaterally put sanctions on nuclear trade with China..

Wow, you guys really think a lot of yourselves don't you? You think the USA and Australia (who sold Uranium to us even when they banned sales to India) will suddenly put unilateral sanctions on us, on India's behalf? :rofl:

As for the nuclear plants in Pakistan, we all know that its a one off slip through the cracks...China can no longer do so post construction of the last 2 reactors without violating NSG rules

LOL, apparently we have been helping Pakistan with their nuclear weapons program for decades, and are currently building nuclear reactors for them too.

No one gives a sh*t except India. The US even gave Pakistan F-16's as delivery systems after they tested their first nukes.
 
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So you're just mad that I used the word "most nations"? Thats a bit obsessive...

anyways, if 46 isnt too many so be it...the point is, the world does take nuclear trade and issue of nuclear proliferation seriously...so such incidents do add up

I merely wanted to correct you, I wasn't mad for the attempt.

The US runs most of the shows today, major part of the world stops and starts when the US wants it to stop and start. Today, the US does not want to offer us NSG waivers so nobody says anything. It is that simple.
 
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Wow, you guys really think a lot of yourselves don't you? You think the USA and Australia (who sold Uranium to us even when they banned sales to India) will suddenly put unilateral sanctions on us, on India's behalf? :rofl:

You need to open your eyes and read a bit more carefully in the future....

Nowhere in my post does it say that US or Australia would do it on India's behalf...The US in particular has it out for China...so a violation of the NSG rules could very well spark sanctions....purely to needle China..and I dont see why China as a state would want to test those limits...esp for Pakistan (Chashma 3 and 4 are but part of a loophole ie. apparently deal was signed before CHina became a NSG member...China has gone on record to state this)

And US and Australia were trading with you because China is a signatory of the NPT and a member of NSG...India was not until recently....so I dont know what you're banging on about..
Its funny that you Chinese think your little economic booms makes you immune to rules....lucky for your country, the CPC leadership isnt as suicidal as some of you Chinese on this forum.


LOL, apparently we have been helping Pakistan with their nuclear weapons program for decades, and are currently building nuclear reactors for them too.

I have already explained the reason why China can help Pakistan for the next 2 reactors without facing action from NSG.....

Moving on,..either make a point or stop parroting the same **** over and over...it gets boring

No one gives a sh*t except India. The US even gave Pakistan F-16's as delivery systems after they tested their first nukes.

And how is Selling F-16s breakign the rules of NSG? You need to learn to make a coherent point without bringing in useless fringe information that bears little upon the argument...

And if you dont think the world gives a **** about nuclear proliferation, I encourage the Chinese leadership to continue so....Indians will be the happiest benefactors of such actions...LOL!
 
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I wish you would have read the qouted link, there is something about Indian support to Iran but I really dont have much of issues with that cause I believe in present day world rights and wrongs are not decided on moral grounds, there are so many other factors including economics, national interests of nations etc decide what is considered right or wrong. Why we should stop importing let the nations consider their exports.

Indeed these matters are not decided on moral grounds, indeed there were many factors which our think tanks ignored in becoming nuclear power! what about the infrastructure, Research and development, education that are still in ignorance! And thats not all when we became nuclear power in 80s we didnt stop at that time we started proliferating it! we sold our technology to other countries and then in 2000 when the international community caught us red handed then we started complaining that why sanctions are put on us! Now when we have missile technology and we still are updating it which requires a lot of funds where all the funds should be invested in RnD with in our country! we all know that no one is going to use these nuclear bombs!
 
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I merely wanted to correct you, I wasn't mad for the attempt.

The US runs most of the shows today, major part of the world stops and starts when the US wants it to stop and start. Today, the US does not want to offer us NSG waivers so nobody says anything. It is that simple.

Purely from a neutral perspective, of course the waiver for India was unfair and I get it....and as far as Pakistan not getting the same is as you mentioned an element of its deteriorating relationship with the US...and the US absolutely used its clout here.

So for the most part I agree...But when was international politics ever fair or void of hypocrisy..
 
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Special Report: How foreign firms tried to sell spy gear to Iran
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:16:46 PM
Special Report: How foreign firms tried to sell spy gear to Iran | SAMAA TV


LONDON: In the summer of 2008, Iranian security agents arrived at the family home of Saleh Hamid, who was visiting his parents during a break from his university studies.

The plain-clothes agents, he says, shackled him and drove him blindfolded to a local intelligence detention center. There, he says, they beat him with an iron bar, breaking bones and damaging his left ear and right eye.

Hamid says the authorities accused him of spreading propaganda against the regime and contacting opposition groups outside Iran. The evidence? His own phone calls.

"They said, ‘On this and this day you spoke to such and such person,'" says Hamid, now 30 and a human rights activist in Sweden. "They had both recorded it and later they also showed me the transcript."

Hamid was not the only one. The Iran Human Rights Documentation Center and other human rights groups say they have documented a number of cases in which the Iranian regime has used the country's communications networks to crack down on dissidents by monitoring their telephone calls or internet activities.

Now a Reuters investigation has uncovered new evidence of how willing some foreign companies were to assist Iran's state security network, and the regime's keenness to access as much information as possible.

Documents seen by Reuters show that a partner of China's Huawei Technologies Co Ltd offered to sell a Huawei-developed "Lawful Interception Solution" to MobinNet, Iran's first nationwide wireless broadband provider, just as MobinNet was preparing to launch in 2010.

The system's capabilities included "supporting the special requirements from security agencies to monitor in real time the communication traffic between subscribers," according to a proposal by Huawei's Chinese partner seen by Reuters.

Huawei also gave MobinNet a PowerPoint marketing presentation on a system that features "deep packet inspection" - a powerful and potentially intrusive technology that can read and analyze "packets" of data that travel across the Internet. Internet service providers use DPI to guard against cyber attacks and improve network efficiency, but it also can be used to block websites, track internet users and reconstruct email messages.

Huawei says it has never sold either system to MobinNet and doesn't sell DPI equipment in Iran. But a person familiar with the matter says MobinNet did obtain a Huawei DPI system before it began operating in 2010. The person does not know how MobinNet acquired it or if it is being used.

Asked to comment, Vic Guyang, a Huawei spokesman, said in a statement, "We think it's not for us to confirm or deny what systems other companies have." He later said, "It is our understanding that MobinNet does not have such equipment." An official with MobinNet declined to answer any questions, saying only, "So you know the answers. Why do you need confirmation?"

The relative ease with which Iran has been able to obtain technology that enables surveillance illustrates the cat-and-mouse nature of the American-European campaign to contain Iran's nuclear ambitions through crippling economic sanctions. It wasn't until this year that Europe and Washington - which primarily have focused on Iran's banks and oil industry - targeted the sale of monitoring gear to Iran. But even now, the ban is not global, and does not extend to Chinese companies.

Reuters reported in March that China's ZTE Corp had recently sold Iran's largest telecom firm, Telecommunication Co of Iran, a DPI-based surveillance system that was capable of monitoring landline, mobile and internet communications.

ZTE later said it intends to reduce its business in Iran. Huawei made a similar announcement a year ago.

FIXING "THE PROBLEM OF YOUTH"

In the case of Huawei, the documents seen by Reuters challenge statements made by the company that it doesn't sell any internet monitoring or filtering equipment. In a statement still on its website that was posted last year, the Shenzhen-based firm says, "We have never been involved in and do not provide any services relating to monitoring or filtering technologies and equipment anywhere in the world."

But the documents' descriptions of the Huawei systems pitched to MobinNet emphasise their filtering capabilities and ability to enable monitoring by security agencies.

For example, a proposal made to MobinNet dated April 2009 offers what it calls a Huawei "lawful interception" solution. The proposal was prepared by China's CMEC International Trading Co which states in the document that it had selected Huawei as its bid partner.

"As we know, lawful interception is mandatory and sensitive for the operators in Iran," the proposal states.

An accompanying diagram illustrates how the system can duplicate data streams and transmit the copies to multiple "monitoring" centers. It also states that more than 0.5 percent of all subscribers could be targeted and that individuals would not be aware their communications were "being intercepted."

The "lawful interception (LI) solution was developed by Huawei," the document states.

CMEC is a part of an engineering conglomerate that includes a unit that for years has been under U.S. sanctions for allegedly helping Iran and Iraq obtain weapons of mass destruction. CMEC didn't respond to a request for comment. Huawei says it no longer partners with CMEC.

U.S. and other international sanctions are designed to deter Iran from developing nuclear weapons; Iran says its nuclear program is aimed purely at producing domestic energy.

Although Huawei maintains it doesn't sell any filtering technologies, its presentation given to MobinNet, marked confidential, repeatedly says its "DPI Solution" features "URL filtering," which can be used to block specific websites. The presentation also cites a number of customer "success" case studies - including in Britain, Russia, Colombia, and China - where it says telecommunication operators were using its system to filter websites.

For example, the presentation states that a Chinese telecoms firm was using the Huawei system "to settle the problem of youth getting secure and healthy access to websites, and the traffic should be controllable." The presentation also states that the system was used during the 2008 Beijing Olympic games to block "illegal" internet phone services, filter websites and to conduct "user behavior analysis."

In a series of emailed statements, Guyang, the Huawei spokesman, did not address Huawei's claim that it doesn't "provide any services related to monitoring of filtering." But he says website filtering is used by many telecoms, including in the U.S., "as part of efforts to counter cyber terrorism, child pornography, smuggling of narcotics and other crimes, as well as illegal websites and data."

He said Huawei "did not sell products containing this function in Iran." He also said the Huawei system described in the proposal - the Quidway SIG9800 - can't access "content" in the telecommunications network.

But a former Huawei employee who has worked in Iran said the SIG9800 can be used to reconstruct email messages provided they are not encrypted. "This product has some special usage which Huawei customers do not like to share ... especially in Iran," this person said.

STORING EVERY TEXT MESSAGE

The proposal to MobinNet for the Huawei lawful-intercept system states that it includes technology from a German company called Utimaco Safeware AG. Utimaco says Huawei is one of its worldwide resellers but that neither MobinNet directly - nor Huawei on behalf of MobinNet - purchased or licensed its products.

The proposal also states that Huawei equipment at another Iranian telecom had "already successfully integrated with" an Utimaco product "and accumulated rich integration experience, which will be shared."

The other Iranian telecom isn't named but Malte Pollmann, Utimaco's chief executive officer, confirmed that in 2006, Nokia's German unit had purchased Utimaco software for MTN Irancell, Iran's second-largest mobile phone operator which has a major contract with Huawei. He said the product hadn't been maintained for several years and that Utimaco believes it no longer is being used.

MTN Irancell is 49 percent owned by South Africa's MTN Group, Africa's largest telecom carrier. It declined to comment about the Utimaco product.

Interviews and internal MTN documents reviewed by Reuters show that prior to MTN's launch, Iranian intelligence authorities took a keen interest in the capabilities of its lawful-intercept system, and pushed to make it more intrusive.

Like most countries, including the United States, Iran requires telephone operators to provide law enforcement authorities with access to communications. But people who have worked at Iranian telecoms say authorities sometimes abused their access, targeting certain individuals without a warrant or with little or no explanation.

In response, a spokesman for Iran's mission to the United Nations in New York emailed a section of Iran's constitution which states that recording telephone calls, eavesdropping and censorship "are forbidden, except as provided by law."

The terms of MTN Irancell's license agreement stipulated that Iran's security agency could record and monitor subscribers' communications, including voice, data, fax, text messaging and voicemail, the internal MTN documents show. "At least 1 percent of all subscribers" could be targeted, and authorities wanted access to their location - "within 10 to 20 meters" - as well as billing information, according to the documents.

According to a person familiar with the matter, prior to its launch, Iranian authorities pushed MTN Irancell to provide them with even more surveillance capabilities. The requests included copying and storing all text messages on the network for 30 days and providing 36 different monitoring centers with access to communications.

The authorities also wanted to be able to intercept every call handled by an individual mobile-phone tower. "They were not talking of a single tower, they were talking of a large number of towers," the person said. "That is not the norm."

MTN, which oversaw the telecom's launch, didn't express to the authorities any concern about potential abuse, according to this person. Rather, the company argued during a series of meetings that the new requirements weren't part of the scope of the licensing agreement. MTN offered to add other surveillance capabilities over time, this person said.

MTN declined to comment. In April, its chief executive, Sifiso Dabengwa, said that any allegations that MTN was complicit in human rights abuses in Iran "are both false and offensive."

The pressure on MTN Irancell by the Iranian authorities to enhance their surveillance capabilities is made clear in the internal MTN documents.

"The reality of the situation is that the LEA (law enforcement agency) has the authority to prevent Irancell from launching and even worse to stop our operations from continuing after launch if their requirements are not adequately met," MTN wrote to Nokia, its contractor for the lawful-intercept system, in September 2006. "We have verified this with our own research within the Iranian market with the other operators."

The Iranian intelligence authorities eventually agreed to hold off on their surveillance wish list - and allowed the telecom's launch. But they made clear they expected MTN Irancell would eventually install more capabilities, according to the person familiar with the situation. "Their view was ... it's not a negotiation, we just want to know when you're going to do it," the person said.

The extent to which MTN Irancell later added new surveillance capabilities to its network remains unclear. The network did add enhanced location-based services in 2011.

A British company, Creativity Software, announced in August 2009 that it had won a contract to supply the technology, which it said would allow MTN Irancell to offer its customers special rates at home. "Creativity Software has worked in partnership with Huawei, where they will provide first and second level support to the operator," the company said at the time.

An official with Creativity Software did not respond to requests for comment. In a statement last year, the company said its sale was legal and "any connection implied between the provision of commercial location-based services deployed by MTN Irancell in Iran and any possible human rights abuses is ... erroneous."

Hamid - the human rights activist who says Iranian security agents told him in 2008 they had listened to his telephone conversations - says he had been using a mobile phone he had purchased through MTN Irancell.

Then a student at a Syrian university, he said in an interview that he had returned to Iran to visit his family in Ahwaz, Khuzestan. The region is home to many Iranian Arabs who allege they have been subject to discrimination and economic deprivation by the Iranian government.

Now 30, Hamid said he eventually was released on bail and fled the country. But he said he was arrested in Iraq, jailed for three years and finally received refugee status in Sweden.

He said he was surprised that Iranian authorities had intercepted his phone calls. "I was completely taken aback," he said. "When I bought the Irancell mobile, I didn't even buy it in my name."

MTN declined to comment. The spokesman for Iran's U.N. mission said Hamid's allegations "are unfounded" and that Iran's constitution protects the rights of Iranian Arabs and other ethnic groups.

"Iran's constitution also bans any kind of torture and espionage," the spokesman added. – AGENCIES

& they cant live without us dont they?;):lol:
 
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And if you dont think the world gives a **** about nuclear proliferation, I encourage the Chinese leadership to continue so....Indians will be the happiest benefactors of such actions...LOL!

Already done. :lol: You Indians should know, since you are the ones who are always crying over our assistance to the Pakistani nuclear weapons program.

Nobody cared enough to do anything about it, including India.

Its funny that you Chinese think your little economic booms makes you immune to rules....

Lucky for you then, that you don't have to worry about economic booms?

India to see 4.5 per cent GDP growth this fiscal: OECD - Economic Times

Yet even without an economic boom, you still feel entitled to break rules.

Today for example, India was officially banned from the Olympics.
 
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Already done. :lol: You Indians should know, since you are the ones who are always crying over our assistance to the Pakistani nuclear weapons program.

Nobody cared enough to do anything about it, including India.

No...CHina has done jack ****...except used a loophole...

If you have any other examples of China breaking NSG rules and regulations as a signatory to help Pakistani nuclear program (except Chashma 3 and 4)...please share...

China does not have the balls nor the political clout to go head to head against a group it has willingly joined...if it did, Pakistan would have received an NSG waiver as well...
Unfortunately you Chinese overestimate your importance and underestimate your vulnerability.

Lucky for you then, that you don't have to worry about economic booms?

India to see 4.5 per cent GDP growth this fiscal: OECD - Economic Times

Yet even without an economic boom, you still feel entitled to break rules.

Today for example, India was officially banned from the Olympics.

Just for once...explain how this fits into the scope of discussion? Olympics and NSG are very much related right?

or is it that you just couldnt think of anything better to say, so you decided to regurgitate a link you probably have tattooed on your body as well..LOL!
 
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No...CHina has done jack ****...except used a loophole...

If you have any other examples of China breaking NSG rules and regulations as a signatory to help Pakistani nuclear program (except Chashma 3 and 4)...please share...

China does not have the balls nor the political clout to go head to head against a group it has willingly joined...if it did, Pakistan would have received an NSG waiver as well...
Unfortunately you Chinese overestimate your importance and underestimate your vulnerability.



Just for once...explain how this fits into the scope of discussion? Olympics and NSG are very much related right?

or is it that you just couldnt think of anything better to say, so you decided to regurgitate a link you probably have tattooed on your body as well..LOL!

Report accuses China of stealing U.S. nuclear secrets
Last Updated: Friday, November 10, 2000 | 11:52 PM ET CBC News
Report accuses China of stealing U.S. nuclear secrets - World - CBC News

A Congressional report says China is capable of making sophisticated nuclear weapons thanks to 20 years of stealing U.S. weapons technology secrets.
But the 700-page report, released Tuesday, does not say how much information China has, who stole it, or how quickly China could put it to use.

According to the report, China stole U.S. secrets on the seven major warheads in the current American arsenal as well as the neutron bomb. The thefts date to the late-1970s and likely continue still.

The report describes Chinese spying as pervasive, systemic and dangerous. Without saying how it was done, the report says China penetrated top secret nuclear labs at Los Alamos, New Mexico and two other sites with devastating results.
The report -- which represents a consensus view of Republicans and Democrats on the committee -- accuses current and previous administrations of lax security at America's nuclear research labs. And it says the U.S. has known about the extent of China's espionage since 1995.
For its part, China is dismissing the report, saying it was issued with ulterior motives -- aimed at sullying Sino-U.S. relations.
Those relations were already badly strained by the accidental bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade earlier this month. Now they could get worse.
Already some members of Congress are calling for a ban on hi-tech exports to China. Some Republican presidential candidates are also saying the U.S. should no longer treat China as a strategic partner but as a potential nuclear enemy.




BREACH AT LOS ALAMOS: A special report.; China Stole Nuclear Secrets For Bombs, U.S. Aides Say
BREACH AT LOS ALAMOS - A special report. - China Stole Nuclear Secrets For Bombs, U.S. Aides Say - NYTimes.com

By JAMES RISEN and JEFF GERTH
Published: March 6, 1999

WASHINGTON, March 5— Working with nuclear secrets stolen from an American Government laboratory, China has made a leap in the development of nuclear weapons: the miniaturization of its bombs, according to Administration officials.

Until recently, China's nuclear weapons designs were a generation behind those of the United States, largely because Beijing was unable to produce small warheads that could be launched from a single missile at multiple targets and form the backbone of a modern nuclear force.

But by the mid-1990's, China had built and tested such small bombs, a breakthrough that officials say was accelerated by the theft of American nuclear secrets from Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

The espionage is believed to have occurred in the mid-1980's, officials said. But it was not detected until 1995, when Americans analyzing Chinese nuclear test results found similarities to America's most advanced miniature warhead, the W-88.

By the next year, Government investigators had identified a suspect, an American scientist at Los Alamos laboratory, where the atomic bomb was developed. The investigators also concluded that Beijing was continuing to steal secrets from the Government's major nuclear weapons laboratories, which had been increasingly opened to foreign visitors since the end of the cold war.

The White House was told of the full extent of China's spying in the summer of 1997, just before the first American-Chinese summit meeting in eight years -- a meeting intended to dramatize the success of President Clinton's efforts to improve relations with Beijing.

White House officials say that they took the allegations seriously; as proof of this, they cite Mr. Clinton's ordering the labs within six months to improve security.

But some American officials assert that the White House sought to minimize the espionage issue for policy reasons.

''This conflicted with their China policy,'' said an American official, who like many others in this article spoke on condition of anonymity. ''It undercut the Administration's efforts to have a strategic partnership with the Chinese.''

The White House denies the assertions. ''The idea that we tried to cover up or downplay these allegations to limit the damage to U.S.-Chinese relations is absolutely wrong,'' said Gary Samore, the senior National Security Council official who handled the issue.

Yet a reconstruction by The New York Times reveals that throughout the Government, the response to the nuclear theft was plagued by delays, inaction and skepticism -- even though senior intelligence officials regarded it as one of the most damaging spy cases in recent history.

Initially the Federal Bureau of Investigation did not aggressively pursue the criminal investigation of lab theft, American officials said. Now, nearly three years later, no arrests have been made.

Only in the last several weeks, after prodding from Congress and the Secretary of Energy, have Government officials administered lie-detector tests to the main suspect, a Los Alamos computer scientist who is Chinese-American. The suspect failed a test in February, according to senior Administration officials.

At the Energy Department, officials waited more than a year to act on the F.B.I.'s 1997 recommendations to improve security at the weapons laboratories and restrict the suspect's access to classified information, officials said.

The department's chief of intelligence, who raised the first alarm about the case in 1995, was ordered last year by senior officials not to tell Congress about his findings because critics might use them to attack the Administration's China policies, officials said.

And at the White House, senior aides to Mr. Clinton fostered a skeptical view of the evidence of Chinese espionage and its significance.

White House officials, for example, said they determined on learning of it that the Chinese spying would have no bearing on the Administration's dealings with China, which included the increased exports of satellites and other militarily useful items. They continued to advocate looser controls over sales of supercomputers and other equipment, even as intelligence analysts documented the scope of China's espionage.

But after learning that Mr. Samore had insisted that this case had no implications for China policy, the President's national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger, acknowledged tonight that the case was clearly relevant.

''We already knew that China was a country that ought not to get sensitive technology,'' said Mr. Berger. ''This reinforced that.''

Mr. Samore, the Security Council official, did not accept the Energy Department's conclusion that China's nuclear advances stemmed largely from the theft of American secrets.

In 1997, as Mr. Clinton prepared to meet with President Jiang Zemin of China, Mr. Samore asked the Central Intelligence Agency for a quick alternative analysis of the issue. The agency found that China had stolen secrets from Los Alamos but differed with the Energy Department over the significance of the spying.

The Whistle-Blower

An Energy Official As Secret Witness

In personal terms, the handling of this case is very much the story of the Energy Department intelligence official who first raised questions about the Los Alamos case, Notra Trulock.


Unfortunately you Chinese overestimate your importance and underestimate your vulnerability.
:rofl:
you should, hve said about india? right
 
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How China Steals Our Secrets
By RICHARD A. CLARKE
Published: April 2, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/opinion/how-china-steals-our-secrets.html?_r=0
NYTimes Topic: Computer Security (Cybersecurity)
FOR the last two months, senior government officials and private-sector experts have paraded before Congress and described in alarming terms a silent threat: cyberattacks carried out by foreign governments. Robert S. Mueller III, the director of the F.B.I., said cyberattacks would soon replace terrorism as the agency’s No. 1 concern as foreign hackers, particularly from China, penetrate American firms’ computers and steal huge amounts of valuable data and intellectual property.

It’s not hard to imagine what happens when an American company pays for research and a Chinese firm gets the results free; it destroys our competitive edge. Shawn Henry, who retired last Friday as the executive assistant director of the F.B.I. (and its lead agent on cybercrime), told Congress last week of an American company that had all of its data from a 10-year, $1 billion research program copied by hackers in one night. Gen. Keith B. Alexander, head of the military’s Cyber Command, called the continuing, rampant cybertheft “the greatest transfer of wealth in history.”

Yet the same Congress that has heard all of this disturbing testimony is mired in disagreements about a proposed cybersecurity bill that does little to address the problem of Chinese cyberespionage. The bill, which would establish noncompulsory industry cybersecurity standards, is bogged down in ideological disputes. Senator John McCain, who dismissed it as a form of unnecessary regulation, has proposed an alternative bill that fails to address the inadequate cyberdefenses of companies running the nation’s critical infrastructure. Since Congress appears unable and unwilling to address the threat, the executive branch must do something to stop it.

In the past, F.B.I. agents parked outside banks they thought were likely to be robbed and then grabbed the robbers and the loot as they left. Catching the robbers in cyberspace is not as easy, but snatching the loot is possible.

General Alexander testified last week that his organization saw an inbound attack that aimed to steal sensitive files from an American arms manufacturer. The Pentagon warned the company, which had to act on its own. The government did not directly intervene to stop the attack because no federal agency believes it currently has the authority or mission to do so.

If given the proper authorization, the United States government could stop files in the process of being stolen from getting to the Chinese hackers. If government agencies were authorized to create a major program to grab stolen data leaving the country, they could drastically reduce today’s wholesale theft of American corporate secrets.

Many companies do not even know when they have been hacked. According to Congressional testimony last week, 94 percent of companies served by the computer-security firm Mandiant were unaware that they had been victimized. And although the Securities and Exchange Commission has urged companies to reveal when they have been victims of cyberespionage, most do not. Some, including Sony, Citibank, Lockheed, Booz Allen, Google, EMC and the Nasdaq have admitted to being victims. The government-owned National Laboratories and federally funded research centers have also been penetrated.

Because it is fearful that government monitoring would be seen as a cover for illegal snooping and a violation of citizens’ privacy, the Obama administration has not even attempted to develop a proposal for spotting and stopping vast industrial espionage. It fears a negative reaction from privacy-rights and Internet-freedom advocates who do not want the government scanning Internet traffic. Others in the administration fear further damaging relations with China. Some officials also fear that standing up to China might trigger disruptive attacks on America’s vulnerable computer-controlled infrastructure.

But by failing to act, Washington is effectively fulfilling China’s research requirements while helping to put Americans out of work. Mr. Obama must confront the cyberthreat, and he does not even need any new authority from Congress to do so.

Under Customs authority, the Department of Homeland Security could inspect what enters and exits the United States in cyberspace. Customs already looks online for child pornography crossing our virtual borders. And under the Intelligence Act, the president could issue a finding that would authorize agencies to scan Internet traffic outside the United States and seize sensitive files stolen from within our borders.

And this does not have to endanger citizens’ privacy rights. Indeed, Mr. Obama could build in protections like appointing an empowered privacy advocate who could stop abuses or any activity that went beyond halting the theft of important files.

If Congress will not act to protect America’s companies from Chinese cyberthreats, President Obama must.

Richard A. Clarke, the special adviser to the president for cybersecurity from 2001 to 2003, is the author of “Cyber War: The Next Threat to National Security and What to Do About It.”
 
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accusations accusations & accusations!!!!!!!!
thats what USA does, these days?
 
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Report accuses China of stealing U.S. nuclear secrets
Last Updated: Friday, November 10, 2000 | 11:52 PM ET CBC News
Report accuses China of stealing U.S. nuclear secrets - World - CBC News

A Congressional report says China is capable of making sophisticated nuclear weapons thanks to 20 years of stealing U.S. weapons technology secrets.
But the 700-page report, released Tuesday, does not say how much information China has, who stole it, or how quickly China could put it to use.

According to the report, China stole U.S. secrets on the seven major warheads in the current American arsenal as well as the neutron bomb. The thefts date to the late-1970s and likely continue still.

The report describes Chinese spying as pervasive, systemic and dangerous. Without saying how it was done, the report says China penetrated top secret nuclear labs at Los Alamos, New Mexico and two other sites with devastating results.
The report -- which represents a consensus view of Republicans and Democrats on the committee -- accuses current and previous administrations of lax security at America's nuclear research labs. And it says the U.S. has known about the extent of China's espionage since 1995.
For its part, China is dismissing the report, saying it was issued with ulterior motives -- aimed at sullying Sino-U.S. relations.
Those relations were already badly strained by the accidental bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade earlier this month. Now they could get worse.
Already some members of Congress are calling for a ban on hi-tech exports to China. Some Republican presidential candidates are also saying the U.S. should no longer treat China as a strategic partner but as a potential nuclear enemy.




BREACH AT LOS ALAMOS: A special report.; China Stole Nuclear Secrets For Bombs, U.S. Aides Say
BREACH AT LOS ALAMOS - A special report. - China Stole Nuclear Secrets For Bombs, U.S. Aides Say - NYTimes.com

By JAMES RISEN and JEFF GERTH
Published: March 6, 1999

WASHINGTON, March 5— Working with nuclear secrets stolen from an American Government laboratory, China has made a leap in the development of nuclear weapons: the miniaturization of its bombs, according to Administration officials.

Until recently, China's nuclear weapons designs were a generation behind those of the United States, largely because Beijing was unable to produce small warheads that could be launched from a single missile at multiple targets and form the backbone of a modern nuclear force.

But by the mid-1990's, China had built and tested such small bombs, a breakthrough that officials say was accelerated by the theft of American nuclear secrets from Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

The espionage is believed to have occurred in the mid-1980's, officials said. But it was not detected until 1995, when Americans analyzing Chinese nuclear test results found similarities to America's most advanced miniature warhead, the W-88.

By the next year, Government investigators had identified a suspect, an American scientist at Los Alamos laboratory, where the atomic bomb was developed. The investigators also concluded that Beijing was continuing to steal secrets from the Government's major nuclear weapons laboratories, which had been increasingly opened to foreign visitors since the end of the cold war.

The White House was told of the full extent of China's spying in the summer of 1997, just before the first American-Chinese summit meeting in eight years -- a meeting intended to dramatize the success of President Clinton's efforts to improve relations with Beijing.

White House officials say that they took the allegations seriously; as proof of this, they cite Mr. Clinton's ordering the labs within six months to improve security.

But some American officials assert that the White House sought to minimize the espionage issue for policy reasons.

''This conflicted with their China policy,'' said an American official, who like many others in this article spoke on condition of anonymity. ''It undercut the Administration's efforts to have a strategic partnership with the Chinese.''

The White House denies the assertions. ''The idea that we tried to cover up or downplay these allegations to limit the damage to U.S.-Chinese relations is absolutely wrong,'' said Gary Samore, the senior National Security Council official who handled the issue.

Yet a reconstruction by The New York Times reveals that throughout the Government, the response to the nuclear theft was plagued by delays, inaction and skepticism -- even though senior intelligence officials regarded it as one of the most damaging spy cases in recent history.

Initially the Federal Bureau of Investigation did not aggressively pursue the criminal investigation of lab theft, American officials said. Now, nearly three years later, no arrests have been made.

Only in the last several weeks, after prodding from Congress and the Secretary of Energy, have Government officials administered lie-detector tests to the main suspect, a Los Alamos computer scientist who is Chinese-American. The suspect failed a test in February, according to senior Administration officials.

At the Energy Department, officials waited more than a year to act on the F.B.I.'s 1997 recommendations to improve security at the weapons laboratories and restrict the suspect's access to classified information, officials said.

The department's chief of intelligence, who raised the first alarm about the case in 1995, was ordered last year by senior officials not to tell Congress about his findings because critics might use them to attack the Administration's China policies, officials said.

And at the White House, senior aides to Mr. Clinton fostered a skeptical view of the evidence of Chinese espionage and its significance.

White House officials, for example, said they determined on learning of it that the Chinese spying would have no bearing on the Administration's dealings with China, which included the increased exports of satellites and other militarily useful items. They continued to advocate looser controls over sales of supercomputers and other equipment, even as intelligence analysts documented the scope of China's espionage.

But after learning that Mr. Samore had insisted that this case had no implications for China policy, the President's national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger, acknowledged tonight that the case was clearly relevant.

''We already knew that China was a country that ought not to get sensitive technology,'' said Mr. Berger. ''This reinforced that.''

Mr. Samore, the Security Council official, did not accept the Energy Department's conclusion that China's nuclear advances stemmed largely from the theft of American secrets.

In 1997, as Mr. Clinton prepared to meet with President Jiang Zemin of China, Mr. Samore asked the Central Intelligence Agency for a quick alternative analysis of the issue. The agency found that China had stolen secrets from Los Alamos but differed with the Energy Department over the significance of the spying.

The Whistle-Blower

An Energy Official As Secret Witness

In personal terms, the handling of this case is very much the story of the Energy Department intelligence official who first raised questions about the Los Alamos case, Notra Trulock.


Unfortunately you Chinese overestimate your importance and underestimate your vulnerability.
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you should, hve said about india? right

Ok so is your intention to say that the Chinese are thieves???

accusations accusations & accusations!!!!!!!!
thats what USA does, these days?

thats not true...they also invade countries post accusations....if history is to repeat itself ;)
 
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Purely from a neutral perspective, of course the waiver for India was unfair and I get it....and as far as Pakistan not getting the same is as you mentioned an element of its deteriorating relationship with the US...and the US absolutely used its clout here.

So for the most part I agree...But when was international politics ever fair or void of hypocrisy..

That was not part of our argument, I especially requested that we leave India out of it.

Anyway, might is indeed right, and the US can give anybody an NSG waiver or a UNSC threat at will.
 
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No...CHina has done jack ****...except used a loophole...

If you have any other examples of China breaking NSG rules and regulations as a signatory to help Pakistani nuclear program (except Chashma 3 and 4)...please share...

China does not have the balls nor the political clout to go head to head against a group it has willingly joined...if it did, Pakistan would have received an NSG waiver as well...
Unfortunately you Chinese overestimate your importance and underestimate your vulnerability.

You obviously can't read, I wasn't talking about nuclear power plants.

I'll quote the post that you were replying to once again:

Already done. :lol: You Indians should know, since you are the ones who are always crying over our assistance to the Pakistani nuclear weapons program.

Nobody cared enough to do anything about it, including India.
 
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