Hi Albatross, if you want an honsest reponse you will get me banned again.
As i want to keep the thread relevant - in line with the admins requests..
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FAO Moderators this post is relevant due to :
the analysis of security of Embassy/representative diplomats between israel & pakistan was in the post thats whay wareleat to this thread ..as Us and Pakistaniasn embassy are mediators; Us embassy mediate betwee Israel and Pakistan, Pakistan mediate between Us and Iran...etc
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Moderators/thread starters; please note and inbox me back...
(I dont know how to start another thread - I would like to start one on vaibility of having anti-semitism laws in pakistan; since we have Yad vashem event today; and pm imran was in switzerland davos he failed to mention this)
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answer to Albatross..:
so i will try and moderate this in politically correct as possible without loosing the value or relevance..
Firstly you as a Pakistani actually have the first shots of that map you object to on your conscience
- The precursors to the Pakistanian Army - were on Gen. Allenbys side to enter Jerusalem (Punjab regiment)
- in effect you killed your own Moslem Turkish Pope's soldiers to help the British Protestant Christians.
- Israel defeated both the Arabs and British/Allenby, and by right of conquest took the land.
Secondly, the moral arguments for UN land swaps was lost when the Arab-Pakistani armies fought 4 wars with israel and lost - conceeded territory. (*Egypt Sinai being the rare exception/ some tactical victories shjot ourplanes - but you all still lost the war )
- You gained Kashmir, and day by day its becoming absorbed into Punjab* and China.
( * this is the 6 letter word the mod's hate/Touchy too, due to its colonial installed civil oligarchy identifying with this region)
- You took land and formed Baltistan and Gilgit. but war is war - winner takes all.
Thirdly Palestne was actually the Name given by Jewish State; later decided upon to be Israel.
- Historically the Map includes both banks of the Jordan river as a hisrtorical fact - you would have to dipute your ibn kathir and moslem sources to deligimise them to deligitmise israel.
- as a presumed moslem you are going to great lenghts to deny your holy Koran and values to deligitmise Israelites.
Its a given (but you wouldnt know) that may of the russian emigres are not and never will be halakhically jewish/Isralites and senior rabbis dont want them in israel, some dont want a state until mossaich comes and some dont want any goys of any sort.
* Israelites and Arabs are first cousins - there are many pretenders on both sides - so there is acrtually an identiy crisis - search for Shas party, and other Haredim groups.
You in (pakistanian/non arabs) conflate the torah with politics, and you conflate catholic led-Socialist-leftist movements with so called palestinies.
Fourthly; since the arabs themselves gave the land to wlecome people from the holocaust; so pakistanians have no point to stand on here.
- - Hashemites said oh first-cousins ! oh children of Isaac,Jacob (israel) and Moses come home, come to the land of our ancestor King David !
Palestineans refused to be a state until 1967 whebn the jordanians lost jerusalem, - at which point the PLO invaded Amman to install a communist government.
- uyour general ziahelhak knews this well; he was also then by your logic responsible for those maps !
The need to expand is both real geopolitical and defense related - as well as historical precedence which is a point of debate between the Religious authorities within Israel itself.
Pakistanians also have the same dilemma as Israel - stretch and survive or crowch and capitualte, both incidentally based on the river valley ...
( iran not indian will likely sucessful to take land from you - as they have already taken easter afghanistan, and tadjikistan, encroaching balochistan )
Sixthly - the Saudis/Gulf will ask :
- Where are the billions of Dollars spent on palestiean state - whereas there is now no state ?
- That image and graph would make a good pictogram...
I've been convinced by those whove advocated that as israel and jewish diaspora we can acoomodate some form of singapore/moanco style palestinatean-arab symbolic city state - and have some sort of citizenship arrangment whereby they can work with Israel without diluting our numbers or services, retain jewish state - the Kurdistan KRG govt model is an idea - they can federate with either Jordan or Israel - and not be a military threat, keeps out iran - costs the GCC less- win-win., they can work in Israel and neighbours freely.
10 lost tribes will come back and they have the right to those lands too - by virtue of conquest, and both Moslem and Israelite treadtion the exiled will return...
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This brings us back full circle to the subject of the thread - where I proposed a direct liason between israel and pakistan to impove security in the region, in order to avoid being dragged into wars between others.
On the battle ground level of course our soldiers will be gun to gun and eyeball to eye ball, at times and side bty side at time whilst our intel people are sometimes looking to treip each other up whilst at tothers busy sleeping it off with each other..(figure of speech)...its life... we want to minismloss of life as the thread title states..
if you do what youve always done you only end up with what you already have - ie more unnecesary confliscts loss of life and destructions
I was alluding to new secuirty dynamics where co-operation will lead to better secuirty situation espeically liasion office if not embassies and avoid the US embasy say in islamabad being a icon for Iranians - it only needa rumour theres a few israelis flags on in there and things can go bad...
so we can avoid this situation and avoid vigilante mobs from stiring up, as having some of it in t he public eye can stop the effect of conspiracy theoies which put diplomats at unnecesary risk.
Even more so since Iran-US post coital argument; the iranians are nkown to attack embassies whereas other nations respect them - and the us has a strnong counter punch so i posipoed a unique less hypocritical
The us strike being the first creak to opens pandoras box...its not good for israel - since the cold proxy conflict was better and had less falback impact.
