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US Drone strikes in Pakistan are illegal under international law.

The point was drone strikes happen due to some genuine reasons rather than a means to vent off frustration..It happens because pak army have no control over those areas and terrorists are sheltered there.

The Afghan economy is not self-sustaining, it is entirely dependent on foreign funding. The fact that the Taliban & their affiliates have been able to attack sensistive locations in Kabul with such impunity shows that the drone operations have done little to stem the flow/momentum of militants on both sides of the border.
No one claimed afghanistan have become super duper self sustained nation.But i was merely pointing out the fact that Afghanistan have improved over years,contrary to your claim of being no change in ground realities.And i can prove my claim with data if you want.
And yes Taliban still have some capability for hit and run or suicide attacks but logic suggests that they would be even more powerful if they were allowed to have a safe haven inside non-sovereign areas of Pakistan.If the drones with little hell fires are not sufficient they should switch to B-2s with cluster bombs,instead of halting the drones altogether and empowering talibans by providing them a zero-risk zone.
 
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ASIA PACIFIC Date Posted: 04-May-2012

Pakistan hardens stance on CIA's UAV attacks

Farhan Bokhari - Correspondent - Islamabad

Additional reporting by

Daniel Wasserbly Americas Editor - Washington, DC.



Pakistan's condemnation of an attack by a US unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) on 29 April suggests a hardening resolve against similar strikes by the CIA against suspected Islamists in its unruly border regions.

"The government of Pakistan has consistently maintained that drone attacks are violations of its territorial integrity and sovereignty," Pakistan's Foreign Ministry said in a statement on 30 April. It added that the UAV strike was "in total contravention of international law and established norms of interstate relations".

At least three suspected militants died in the attack in North Waziristan. It comes at a low point in United States-Pakistan relations after 26 Pakistani soldiers died in November 2011 in an airstrike called by Afghanistan-based US troops. That incident led Pakistan to close the supply route from Karachi to Afghanistan for US-led troops and the expulsion of the CIA UAV programme from Shamsi airbase in Baluchistan province.

"Pakistan's disagreement with the US on the drone affair is so deep that, without resolving this issue, our relations can run into further trouble," a senior Pakistani government official told stated on 3 May. "We have told the US that drone attacks are a violation of a delicate red line for Pakistan."

The CIA has carried out UAV attacks on sites in Pakistan since the US invaded Afghanistan after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, often targeting Pakistani Taliban militants who posed a significant threat to Islamabad. By most accounts, US President Barack Obama's administration has ratcheted up the strike programme begun during George W Bush's presidency.

"The drones have been one of the most potent weapons in this US-Pakistan campaign against militancy," a senior Western diplomat said.

Previously, Pakistani officials publicly condemned UAV attacks but were willing to accept them as a useful weapon against militants. But they now say that growing public opposition has forced the government to take a harder line.

On 30 April, John Brennan, the White House's top counter-terrorism adviser, became the latest senior US official to publicly admit the use of UAVs in targeted killings.

"The United States government conducts targeted strikes against specific Al-Qaeda terrorists, sometimes using remotely piloted aircraft," Brennan told the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington DC.

He said the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), which was passed by the US Congress after 9/11, allowed the president "to use all necessary and appropriate force" against states, organisations and individuals responsible for the attacks.

Two more attacks after this. Shame on our Army and Political leaders!! Makes the fight more difficult. I seriously think drone attacks are counter productive and they just expose our leaders double standards
 
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Obama is frustrated with Pakistan:

Obama frustrated with Pakistan: Expert - Times Of India




The Afghan economy is not self-sustaining, it is entirely dependent on foreign funding. The fact that the Taliban & their affiliates have been able to attack sensistive locations in Kabul with such impunity shows that the drone operations have done little to stem the flow/momentum of militants on both sides of the border.
It may come as a suprise, but getting 20 idiots with rifles is no great logistic feat....the Talibans great "offensives" are less effective than a Mexican drug gang, that can actually inflict real damage to their foes...
 
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Once US is gone in 2014...who will pay money to Pakistan...

and who is paying now? idiot???, the damage resulting from american war is far then US has paid, it has paid in installments and havent ever paid in full, the hooopla of paying billions is fake, it has just paid few millions
 
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MIRAMSHAH: A US drone attack targeting a militant compound killed at least 10 insurgents in a troubled Pakistani tribal district along the Afghan border early on Saturday, security officials said.

The Pakistani officials said two missiles hit and destroyed the compound in Shawal area, some 70 kilometres (45 miles) west of Miramshah, the main town in North Waziristan.

Waziristan is the most notorious militant stronghold in Pakistan’s semi-autonomous northwestern tribal belt. Washington considers it the main hub for Taliban and al Qaeda to plot attacks on the West and in Afghanistan.

“The death toll in the US drone strike has risen to 10. The drone fired two missiles at the compound,” a security official in the northwestern city of Peshawar told AFP.

Two security officials in Miramshah confirmed the strike and death toll and added that militants were using the compound as a training centre. They said the mud compound was completely destroyed.

Officials had earlier put the death toll at six. The identity of those killed in the strike was yet not known and officials said they were trying to collect more information from the far-flung mountainous area.

Saturday’s attack was the second strike since Pakistan’s parliament in March approved new guidelines on relations with the United States, which included a call for an end to drone attacks on Pakistani territory.

Pakistan says the drone strikes are counter productive and undermine government efforts to separate tribes from militants, violate Pakistan’s sovereignty, kill civilians and fuel anti-US sentiment.

Pakistan raised the issue with Marc Grossman, the US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, when he visited Islamabad last month amid efforts to mend fractured relations.

The uneasy allies are currently taking tentative steps to repair a serious crisis in relations over last year’s covert American raid that killed Osama bin Laden and US air strikes that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

The frequency of the strikes has diminished in recent months, but US officials are believed to consider them too useful to stop them altogether.

US President Barack Obama in January confirmed for the first time that US drones target militants on Pakistani soil, but American officials do not discuss details of the covert programme.

According to an AFP tally, 45 US missile strikes were reported in Pakistan’s tribal belt in 2009, the year Obama took office, 101 in 2010 and 64 in 2011.

The New America Foundation think-tank in Washington says drone strikes have killed between 1,715 and 2,680 people in Pakistan in the past eight years.
 
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Great news. Lets clean up those bad guys and let the US take the blame for it. Pakistan Army has nothing to do with it, zero $$$s and zero blame. Great news.
 
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Great news. Lets clean up those bad guys and let the US take the blame for it. Pakistan Army has nothing to do with it, zero $$$s and zero blame. Great news.

This sounds like an attempt to console one's own self.

Drone attacks inside Pakistan is something on the "No-no' list of PA , GOP and ppl of Pak.

Shouldn't " Bad guys' be cleaned by PA / FC ? Only coz they cannot is the US sending Drones.
 
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great news?????, its like getting dick in your arse and say great news, now the guy will take all blame for the rape :confused:

What should be do bomb the US then? That is a stupid idea? US is Pakistan's biggest customer of exports for textile and carpets. Should we just bomb them and get the industry shutdown. Then have another few million laid off works to join the Talibaan? Then you will really have something in your behind? Please think before you babble blah blah blah..

This sounds like an attempt to console one's own self.

Drone attacks inside Pakistan is something on the "No-no' list of PA , GOP and ppl of Pak.

Shouldn't " Bad guys' be cleaned by PA / FC ? Only coz they cannot is the US sending Drones.

The people getting killed do not respect Pakistani Law, they cross over to Afghanistan all the time to help the terrorists and if the drone strikes reduce them to rubble then it is good news for Pakistan.
 
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what the government of Pakistan is doing? as per my view there is a verbal secret agreement between Pakistan and US.
 
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The people getting killed do not respect Pakistani Law, they cross over to Afghanistan all the time to help the terrorists and if the drone strikes reduce them to rubble then it is good news for Pakistan.

No problem about the credentials of those targeted.

The doubt however remains..why the US and not PA / FC/ any other Pak agency ?
 
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Summary of the drone strike situation this year:



US drones kill 10 in North Waziristan


By BILL ROGGIO, May 4, 2012

The US launched its second drone strike in a week, hitting a Taliban compound in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan.

The unmanned Predators or the more heavily armed Reapers fired four missiles at a compound in the village of Darr-e-Nishtar in the Shawal Valley. Ten "militants' were killed and one more was wounded in the strike, The Express Tribune reported. Another report, from The Associated Press, stated that eight missiles were fired at the compound and eight militants were killed. No senior Taliban or al Qaeda leaders have been reported killed.

The compound was known to be used as a training center, according to Dawn. It is unclear which terror group in the area ran the compound. Al Qaeda, the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, and Taliban fighters under the command of Hafiz Gul Bahadar, the leader of the Taliban in North Waziristan, are all known to operate in the Shawal Valley, which is near the border with Afghanistan.

Bahadar administers the Shawal Valley. In 2009, Bahadar sheltered the families of of Hakeemullah Mehsud, the leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, and Waliur Rehman Mehsud, the group's leader in South Waziristan, after the Pakistani military launched an offensive in the Mehsud areas of South Waziristan [see LWJ report, Taliban escape South Waziristan operation].

Bahadar, Hakeemullah, South Waziristan Taliban commander Mullah Nazir, and Sirajuddin Haqqani of the Haqqani Network, are members of the Shura-e-Murakeba, an alliance formed in late 2011. The four commanders agreed to cease attacks against Pakistani security forces, refocus efforts against the US and NATO in Afghanistan, and end kidnappings and other criminal activities in the tribal areas.

The deal was brokered by senior al Qaeda leader Abu Yahya al Libi as well as by Sirajuddin Haqqani, the operational leader of the Haqqani Network, and Mullah Mansour, a senior Taliban leader who operates in eastern Afghanistan. An al Qaeda leader known as Abdur Rehman Al Saudi was also involved in the negotiations. Mullah Omar, the overall leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan, is said to have dispatched Siraj and Mansour to help negotiate the agreement [see LWJ report, Al Qaeda brokers new anti-US Taliban alliance in Pakistan and Afghanistan].

US strikes in Pakistan in 2012

Today's strike in Miramshah is the second in five days, and the first this month. Prior to the April 29 strike, which took place in North Waziristan in the main bazaar of the town of Miramshah, the US paused the program for one month while Pakistan's parliament debated the US program. Pakistan's parliament has since demanded that the US end the drone strikes in the tribal areas as a condition for the reopening of the NATO supply line that runs through Pakistan into Afghanistan.

The US has carried out 13 strikes so far this year. Three took place in South Waziristan, and 10 in North Waziristan; seven of those strikes have been executed in or around Miramshah.

The program has been scaled down from its peak in 2010, when the US conducted 117 strikes, according to data collected by The Long War Journal. In 2011, the US carried out just 64 strikes in Pakistan's border regions. With only 13 strikes in the first five months of 2012, the US is on a pace to carry out just 36 strikes in Pakistan this year.

The first strike this year took place on Jan. 11; it was the first by the US in Pakistan in 55 days. The previous strike took place on Nov. 16, 2011. The pause was the longest since the program was ramped up at the end of July 2008 [see LWJ report, US drone strikes in Pakistan on longest pause since 2008, from Dec. 19, 2011].

The program was put on hold from the end of November to the second week in January, following a clash between US forces and Pakistani Frontier Corps troops on the border of the Afghan province of Kunar and the Pakistani tribal area of Mohmand on Nov. 25-26. The US troops struck in Pakistan after taking mortar and machine gun fire on the Afghan side of the border from Pakistani troops. Twenty-four Pakistani Frontier Corps troops were killed.

The clash led to Pakistan's closure of the border crossings in Chaman and Khyber to NATO supply columns destined for Afghanistan; the supply lines remain closed to this day. In the aftermath of the Mohmand incident, Pakistan also threatened to shoot down US drones flying in Pakistani airspace, and ejected US drones and personnel from the Shamsi Airbase in Baluchistan.

US officials told The Long War Journal on Dec. 12, 2011 that the program had been put "on hold" due to tensions over the Mohmand incident, but that the drones would strike again if a high value terrorist target that could not be ignored was spotted.

The Jan. 11 strike killed Aslam Awan, a deputy to the leader of al Qaeda's external operations network. Awan was a Pakistani citizen from Abbottabad, the same town where Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces in a cross-border raid in May 2011. Awan is the most senior al Qaeda leader killed in a drone strike since mid-October, when Abu Miqdad al Masri, a member of al Qaeda's Shura Majlis who also was involved in al Qaeda's external operations, was killed. [For a list of senior terrorist leaders and operatives killed in drone strikes, see LWJ report, Senior al Qaeda and Taliban leaders killed in US airstrikes in Pakistan, 2004 - 2012.]

Hakeemullah Mehsud, the leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, was also rumored to have been killed in the Jan. 11 strike. His death has not been confirmed, however, and the Pakistani Taliban have denied he was killed.

The US also killed Badr Mansoor, a senior Taliban and al Qaeda leader, in a Feb. 8 strike in Miramshah's bazaar. Mansoor ran training camps in the area and sent fighters to battle NATO and Afghan forces across the border, and linked up members of the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen with al Qaeda to fight in Afghanistan

Additionally, the US killed a German jihadist known as Samir H. in the March 9 airstrike in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of South Waziristan. Samir was a member of the al Qaeda-linked Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

Despite the US airstrikes, al Qaeda operatives claim they are still capable of conducting training and operations in the area. Abu Zubaydah al Lubnani, a Lebanese member of al Qaeda who operates along the Afghan-Pakistani border, has said that while the drones have "delayed some operations or even stopped them," the terror group is still functioning in the region.

"I want here to confirm that Qaedat al-Jihad is still standing in Khorasan, solid and strong, despite what hit it, and it is still producing operations and it doesn't know the path of despair...," Lubnani said in statement that was recently released on jihadist forums and translated by the SITE Intelligence Group.

A document seized during the US raid that killed Osama bin Laden showed that the terror chief was concerned about the drone program and had ordered those leaders and fighters who could leave the kill box in North and South Waziristan to move to the Afghan provinces of Kunar, Nuristan, Zabul, and Ghazni.

Read more: US drones kill 10 in North Waziristan - The Long War Journal
 
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Not that I support it or i am against it but mark my words, when Imran Khan comes to power, he will order the military to shoot these drones down but then it could escalate US-PAK relations to no point of return.
 
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The use of the word "illegal" in the title of this thread shows that the Admin/Mods believe in only one side of the story.

Their website, their rules, of course.

What good discussion can come after such a display of bias?
 
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