US considered using Nuclear Weapons against North Korea

[xdrive]

Quaint analogy but one that is totally inadequate to describe what is happening.

I agree, what i said was way inadequate. I don't words can describe how dangerous and delusional North Korea is.

People need to remember that North Korea is not a normal country, it's government is full of lunatic incapable of rational thought.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I agree, what i said was way inadequate. I don't words can describe how dangerous and delusional North Korea is.

People need to remember that North Korea is not a normal country, it's government is full of lunatic incapable of rational thought.

...and this is the reason why the use of nuclear weapons (or even threatening to use it) is a very bad idea.

You said that North Koreans are basically cultists who worship Kim Jong Il. Fair comparison. Now remember what happened at Waco when the Davidians were besieged by the FBI? Threatening to invade NK via conventional means is probably enough to achieve a similar effect.

What is important right now is to gradually undo the cult of Kim Jong Il in North Korea and that could only be brought about through economical and political reform.

 

[Pasban]

Yes, basically, as the NK government and especially the dear leader has proven. It is a delusional, cult like country that is not living in reality and it s a danger to everyone.

I actually happen to know someone who has visited North Korea on a tour. We had a long discussion and he gave me a first-hand account of his observations. He was monitored of course and he could not interact with the local population. I will also add that all tours are guided in North Korea. Anyhow, as such it is difficult to hear the views of resident North Koreans themselves about their leadership and understandably they'd be unwilling to voice any objection I suppose. My point is, he personally attested to the cult-like persona that the leadership associates with Kim Jong Il and his father. I could go on further about his observations but we would be off-topic. I don't quiet get your 'not living in reality' statement though. As to about 'being a danger to everyone,' it is my understanding that their primary concern is their own security and leadership/governmental survival in the long run. As long as the leadership feels secure I doubt that they would themselves take any meaningful or substantive offensive action (apart from verbal saber-rattling alone) without being provoked first.

Now about Kim Jong Il being delusional. Firstly, delusional or not, I believe his time is coming to a close so where my real interest lies is in who succeeds him. Secondly, I don't know if I should consider him being a disturbed person or a genius. I say this because this image of him as having a character as such works as a great guise and it keeps others distanced from provoking North Korea to any great degree. Also, Kim Jong Il is more then well aware of his country's Geo-stragetic importance and he is able to manipulate that quiet well. My conclusion is that, if it's a cloak of 'lunacy' as it most vehemently reported in the press, then below it lies a more pragmatic person, albeit in terms of his own vested interests.

 

[no_name]

Now remember what happened at Waco when the Dravidians were besieged by the FBI?

I think its the Davidians as in something to do with David. Dravidians were an ethnic classification for south indians.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I think its the Davidians as in something to do with David. Dravidians were an ethnic classification for south indians.

Thnx corrections made. No offence to Indian members on this board it was a genuine slip of the keyboard.

 

[arihant]

it looks joke but still yet to read it fully.

 

[CardSharp]

They don't get it. Westerners think everything is about ideology and religion. Even though gambit is genetically vietnamese, he is a white man in every other way. Why else is the West plagued by religious and ideological wars? Our ideology is much simpler and does not need to be justified - we're loyal to all other Chinese as a whole, we want others that are like us to have better lives, and that is the basis of every chinese government in the past 5000 years.

Mao was not a communist first, he was a Chinese first and foremost and is respected for his poetry more than his politics nowadays. His communist ideology made their necessary contributions, now there are significant modifications of that, and even if Mao was still alive he would definitely approve. So when the Soviets tried to tell him what to do he said get out and almost started a war with them.

The current peace enforced by the US is just a passing illusion. Once the US descends into civil war, the world will be free.

I'll add another important point. Mao and communism gave equal rights to Chinese women. Mao's had a very strong respect for women and communist idealogy introduce the idea of equality to medieval China.

 

[gambit]

It's pragmatism. Deng Xiaoping realised that Communism was an ineffective system, and started market reforms in the 1970's... which was a long time before the collapse of Communism in the 1990's.

Which means China has been Communist for 30 years out of a 5000 year history. Communism came from Europe, it has nothing to do with traditional Chinese culture, which has had the concept of private property since the beginning. The idea of "abolishing private property" (Communism) came from Europe and has long since vanished as a respectable idea in economic theory.

So I'd say that borrowing money from a so-called Communist power is more embarrassing.

True...That communism was intellectually developed from Europe, but then adopting European communism through Russia, then abandon it while calling your party 'communist' as you once again adopt the Western capitalist ways is the most embarrassing. Stop trying to put a front on this by say these are things with 'Chinese' characteristics, whatever that mean. Own up to the horrible mistake for the last few decades.

 

[CardSharp]

True...That communism was intellectually developed from Europe, but then adopting European communism through Russia, then abandon it while calling your party 'communist' as you once again adopt the Western capitalist ways is the most embarrassing. Stop trying to put a front on this by say these are things with 'Chinese' characteristics, whatever that mean. Own up to the horrible mistake for the last few decades.

Why is it all that important to you whether we do or do not?

I agree, what i said was way inadequate. I don't words can describe how dangerous and delusional North Korea is.

People need to remember that North Korea is not a normal country, it's government is full of lunatic incapable of rational thought.

You're acting like some North Korean kicked over your sandcastle. Stop overreacting. What you are doing is fear mongering

 

[huzihaidao12]

True...That communism was intellectually developed from Europe, but then adopting European communism through Russia, then abandon it while calling your party 'communist' as you once again adopt the Western capitalist ways is the most embarrassing. Stop trying to put a front on this by say these are things with 'Chinese' characteristics, whatever that mean. Own up to the horrible mistake for the last few decades.

You just do not understand that what we do not care about ideology, as long as China and the people well, that is good, China and the people now are good, that is all.

 

[gambit]

You just do not understand that what we do not care about ideology, as long as China and the people well, that is good, China and the people now are good, that is all.

Of course you do. Everyone does. We do not live our lives in an intellectual and moral vacuum. Ideologies provides the foundation for the social contracts that govern our activities and how we conduct relationships with other societies.

 

[xdrive]

You're acting like some North Korean kicked over your sandcastle. Stop overreacting. What you are doing is fear mongering

No, it's not overeacting. North Korea is the biggest threat to world security.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Of course you do. Everyone does. We do not live our lives in an intellectual and moral vacuum. Ideologies provides the foundation for the social contracts that govern our activities and how we conduct relationships with other societies.

We are realists, we choose, because it is good for us, our ideology is only one, a strong China and the Chinese people rich.The other, you know the Chinese culture, we already have.

 

[CardSharp]

Of course you do. Everyone does. We do not live our lives in an intellectual and moral vacuum. Ideologies provides the foundation for the social contracts that govern our activities and how we conduct relationships with other societies.

You may believe that communism is dominant force shaping Chinese society today but communism is a blip on the radar of Chinese history. The structure of Chinese society remains one based on many many ideas and beliefs, things like confucianism, daoism, buddhism, family and ancestor worship, and a carefully studied sense of self based on readings history.

 

[siegecrossbow]

No, it's not overeacting. North Korea is the biggest threat to world security.

I think the people there ought to get enough to eat before they can embark on global conquests with their Mig-21s and T-72s.