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US coalition to leave Iraq ‘in due deference to sovereignty’ – general

still within the range of Iran ballistic missiles


i hope PK is ready as a Muslims country you are bound to join in if its get messy
Doesn’t matter being a muslim country these days.

Why we fight for someone else’s stupidity especially when the someone else has been caught red handed multiple times, using its soil against ours.

No offense to you bro but your leaders are sh*t.

All we can do best is table talk for y’all for which you all aren’t ready...
 
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Lara Seligman on twitter saying that the defence department clarified that while the letter is not fake, it was circulated internally for feedback only and accidentally sent out/released. No offer to withdraw has been made by the US, officially.
 
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Its a perfect spot quite far off so the Iranians cant hit it easily And B-52s and B2s are Strategic assets they can strike targets Thousands of Km away.
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Sorry for a bit off discussion but The Prophet SA did point out towards that direction in indian ocean for Dajjal :-)

Never heard of that, do you have source?
 
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Never heard of that, do you have source?
Even though off topic, there is a hadith, a strong one, i am dictating you the story with some accuracy but the points will be accurate.

One Prophet SA called sahabas in urgency,
He said: “By Allah, I did not call you together for an exhortation or for a warning. I have called you together because Tameem al-Dari was a Christian and he came and swore allegiance and became Muslim, and told me something which agrees with what I was telling you about the Dajjal. He told me that he sailed in a ship with thirty men of Lakhm and Judhaam and they were tossed by the waves of the sea for a month. Then they came to an island at sunset. They sat in a small rowing-boat and landed on that island. They were met by a beast with a great deal of hair and they could not distinguish his face from his back because he was so hairy. They said: ‘Woe to you, what are you?’ It said: ‘I am al-Jassaasah.’ They said: ‘What is al-Jassaasah?’ It said: ‘Oh people, go to this man in the monastery for he is keen to know about you.’ Tameem al dari said: When it named a man for us we were afraid of it lest it be a devil.

Then we set off, rushing, until we came to that monastery, where we found the hugest man we had ever seen, bound strongly in chains with his hands tied to his neck and his legs bound from the knees to the ankles with iron shackles. We said: ‘Woe to you, who are you?’ He said: ‘You will soon find out about me, tell me who you are.’ They said: ‘We are people from Arabia who embarked on a ship, but the sea became wild and the waves tossed us about for one month, then they brought us to this island of yours. We took to the rowing boats and landed on this island. We were met by a beast with a great deal of hair and we could not tell his front from his back because he was so hairy. We said: Woe to you, what are you? It said: I am al-Jassaasah. We said: What is al-Jassaasah? It said: Go to this man in the monastery for he is keen to know about you. So we came rushing to you and we fled from it because we could not be sure that it was not a devil.’

He (that chained person) said: ‘Tell me about the date-palm trees of Baysaan.’ We said: ‘What do you want to know about them?’ He said: ‘I am asking you whether these trees bear fruit.’ We said: ‘Yes.’ He said: ‘Soon they will not bear fruit.’ He said: ‘Tell me about the lake of Tabariyyah’ We said: ‘What do you want to know about it?’ He said: ‘Is there water in it?’ They said: ‘There is a great deal of water in it.’ He said: ‘Soon it will dry up.’ Then he said: ‘Tell me about the spring of Zughar (which is in the south of Syria).’ They said: ‘What do you want to know about it?’ He said: ‘Is there water in the spring and do the people grow crops with the water of the spring?’ We said to him: ‘Yes, there is plenty of water in it and the people grow crops with its water.’ He said: ‘Tell me about the Prophet if the unlettered; what has he done?’ We said: ‘He has left Makkah and has settled in Yathrib.’ He said: ‘Do the Arabs fight against him?’ We said: ‘Yes.’ He said: ‘How did he deal with them?’ We told him that he had prevailed over the Arabs in his vicinity and they had shown obedience to him. He said to us: ‘Has it really happened?’ We said: ‘Yes.’ He said: ‘If it is so that is better for them that they show obedience to him.

Now I will tell you about myself. I am the Dajjal (Anti-Christ) and soon I will be given permission to emerge. So I will come out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town but I will stay for forty nights, except Makkah and Taybah (Madina). They are both forbidden to me, every time I try to enter one of them, I will be met by an angel with a sword in his hand, who will bar my way, and on every route there will be angels guarding it.’

She (Fatimah) said: Then the Messenger of Allah struck the minbar with his staff and said: “This is Taybah, this is Taybah, this is Taybah,” meaning Madeenah. “Did I net tell you this before?” The people said: Yes. The prophet said: “I liked the story of Tameem because it agrees with what I used to tell you about him and about Makkah and Madina. But he is in the Syrian Sea (Mediterranean) or the Yemeni Sea (Arabian Sea). No, rather he is in the east, he in the east, he is in the east,” and he pointed towards the east with his hand. She said: I memorized this from the Messenger of Allah.
(Muslim)


The point to be noted is the EAST he mentioned. The east here has been described here by many to be referring to the indian ocean.
 
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Lara Seligman on twitter saying that the defence department clarified that while the letter is not fake, it was circulated internally for feedback only and accidentally sent out/released. No offer to withdraw has been made by the US, officially.
Lara has taken an oversimplified view of the affair. There are clearly fissures within the security establishment under trump and they are conveniently leaking information to the media.
Remember after seeing the fallout in the wake of killing of Sulemani, they immediately started leaking it to the media that trump was given three options and it was he who took the most extreme measure... whats lost in the story was why they put the most radical of an option on the table in the first place.
 
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Can US get out of Afghanistan via iraq ?
Could this route have been possible while the Gen suleimani was alive ?

The issue for US to move out of Afghanistan is not dependent on any route, but a face saving.. US wants that Taliban do not take over the whole of Afghanistan with NO involvement of US stooges, something that's not acceptable to Afghan Taliban. US wants that Taliban stand in elections, sit in parliament either on opposition or on government benches. This is the exist and assurance US wants from Taliban. So it doesn't matter whether US has Iraq open for easy exit. It has never been a matter of routes or airports.
 
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Lara has taken an oversimplified view of the affair. There are clearly fissures within the security establishment under trump and they are conveniently leaking information to the media.
Remember after seeing the fallout in the wake of killing of Sulemani, they immediately started leaking it to the media that trump was given three options and it was he who took the most extreme measure... whats lost in the story was why they put the most radical of an option on the table.
So that it doesn’t remain an option

Even though off topic, there is a hadith, a strong one, i am dictating you the story with some accuracy but the points will be accurate.

One Prophet SA called sahabas in urgency,
He said: “By Allah, I did not call you together for an exhortation or for a warning. I have called you together because Tameem al-Dari was a Christian and he came and swore allegiance and became Muslim, and told me something which agrees with what I was telling you about the Dajjal. He told me that he sailed in a ship with thirty men of Lakhm and Judhaam and they were tossed by the waves of the sea for a month. Then they came to an island at sunset. They sat in a small rowing-boat and landed on that island. They were met by a beast with a great deal of hair and they could not distinguish his face from his back because he was so hairy. They said: ‘Woe to you, what are you?’ It said: ‘I am al-Jassaasah.’ They said: ‘What is al-Jassaasah?’ It said: ‘Oh people, go to this man in the monastery for he is keen to know about you.’ Tameem al dari said: When it named a man for us we were afraid of it lest it be a devil.

Then we set off, rushing, until we came to that monastery, where we found the hugest man we had ever seen, bound strongly in chains with his hands tied to his neck and his legs bound from the knees to the ankles with iron shackles. We said: ‘Woe to you, who are you?’ He said: ‘You will soon find out about me, tell me who you are.’ They said: ‘We are people from Arabia who embarked on a ship, but the sea became wild and the waves tossed us about for one month, then they brought us to this island of yours. We took to the rowing boats and landed on this island. We were met by a beast with a great deal of hair and we could not tell his front from his back because he was so hairy. We said: Woe to you, what are you? It said: I am al-Jassaasah. We said: What is al-Jassaasah? It said: Go to this man in the monastery for he is keen to know about you. So we came rushing to you and we fled from it because we could not be sure that it was not a devil.’

He (that chained person) said: ‘Tell me about the date-palm trees of Baysaan.’ We said: ‘What do you want to know about them?’ He said: ‘I am asking you whether these trees bear fruit.’ We said: ‘Yes.’ He said: ‘Soon they will not bear fruit.’ He said: ‘Tell me about the lake of Tabariyyah’ We said: ‘What do you want to know about it?’ He said: ‘Is there water in it?’ They said: ‘There is a great deal of water in it.’ He said: ‘Soon it will dry up.’ Then he said: ‘Tell me about the spring of Zughar (which is in the south of Syria).’ They said: ‘What do you want to know about it?’ He said: ‘Is there water in the spring and do the people grow crops with the water of the spring?’ We said to him: ‘Yes, there is plenty of water in it and the people grow crops with its water.’ He said: ‘Tell me about the Prophet if the unlettered; what has he done?’ We said: ‘He has left Makkah and has settled in Yathrib.’ He said: ‘Do the Arabs fight against him?’ We said: ‘Yes.’ He said: ‘How did he deal with them?’ We told him that he had prevailed over the Arabs in his vicinity and they had shown obedience to him. He said to us: ‘Has it really happened?’ We said: ‘Yes.’ He said: ‘If it is so that is better for them that they show obedience to him.

Now I will tell you about myself. I am the Dajjal (Anti-Christ) and soon I will be given permission to emerge. So I will come out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town but I will stay for forty nights, except Makkah and Taybah (Madina). They are both forbidden to me, every time I try to enter one of them, I will be met by an angel with a sword in his hand, who will bar my way, and on every route there will be angels guarding it.’

She (Fatimah) said: Then the Messenger of Allah struck the minbar with his staff and said: “This is Taybah, this is Taybah, this is Taybah,” meaning Madeenah. “Did I net tell you this before?” The people said: Yes. The prophet said: “I liked the story of Tameem because it agrees with what I used to tell you about him and about Makkah and Madina. But he is in the Syrian Sea (Mediterranean) or the Yemeni Sea (Arabian Sea). No, rather he is in the east, he in the east, he is in the east,” and he pointed towards the east with his hand. She said: I memorized this from the Messenger of Allah.
(Muslim)


The point to be noted is the EAST he mentioned. The east here has been described here by many to be referring to the indian ocean.
There is one more thing to take into account, the waves were violent and they tossed their small boat. The waves in Arabian Sea are quite small and violent waves are normally present in ocean
 
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To be honest, to achieve that, USA needs to be somehow kept out of S-B province and somehow, the mullahs need to survive, as they have less ill-intent towards Pakistan than USA does. The mullahocracy is the lesser of two ills if you want to put it that way.

If USA gets permanent posting at the Iranian-Pakistani border, Gwadar and Pakistan are screwed. USA will allow India a free hand to operate from Chabahar. They don't give a sh+t what the gangus do to us.

Although it's certainly not in our interests to openly take sides, I am beginning to suspect it might be in our interests to support the mullahs in some clandestine way.

I have no doubt that India is covertly striking a deal with USA with regards to future Indian "projects" in S-B province - and it ain't gonna be building libraries..



YoungPakBrother mine,


You make me happy! YoungPaks are learning to SEE and Think!

Now, although too early in the game... let us visit a few facts on the ground...

  • Modi did all he wanted in IoJK and legalising deportation of muslims to ConcentrationCamps... and yet nothing happened
  • GanguTerroristArmy has placed BraMouse near CeaseFireLine... which an extreme act of agression in itself... no voice raised in protest/caution
  • PakKashmiris are still locked up and NOTHING has come from the US/West to remedy it..and all the focus is on HongKong and Ugharz..
  • There is a quiet increase of terrorism in Pakistan.. especially in former FATA and OurBalochistan...
  • We are not allowed to go to KL at the behest of the US...
  • FATF sword not removed...
  • We are asked to facilitate between the US n Iran and then KSA n Iran ...PMIK visits.. Chief visits...
  • Iranian General is assasinated while on diplomatic mission for grand reconciliation between KSA/Iran/US....


In the Hybridwar thread I have tried to bring to attention of Paks that The Greatest Game is in Town and Pakistan is The Heartland....

GanguFacistRegime is fully onboard and is in fact working on the Plan... The Greatest Game ....

Gawadar effected means China boxed in SouthChinaSea and EastChinaSea ...no more TwoOceanPower which it almost now...thanks to CPEC/Pakistan....

I cann't afford for Persia to fall... ignore the rants/brovadoz of our Persian friends.. here... they have the right to express their emotions and posture...

However, we cann't afford to be 'naked' completely from OurWesternBorders...

Whoever controls Gawadar controls the follow of everything from Gulf.... hence, we have seen too much sabotage from friends and foes alike... and we have taken all those hits in our stride...

Should Iran fall... Iraq is in pieces, GCC is giant fireball and kurds do what kurds do... and Turkiye gets sucked in too much...

The Maps are targeted to change once again... please, recall all these maps of GCC where courtesy colonial powers who still control the area....

This is ONLY opportunity
for the GanguTerroristArmy and GanguFacistRegime to cause us harm with help of GanguFriends... in a way it is their LastChance...and Ganguz will go all out...

We shall also face intense terrorism from Kabulistan courtesy NDS/RAW n Friends...

Now if you put all the Vectors together... destruction of Iran will open up CentralAsia to Chaos so the BRI through CA will be effected as well... not to mention oil and gas imports of China and NorthEastAsia... Russia cann't supply enough....because if Rus supplies to NorthEastAsia only then it looses European market and geopolitical control over there... GasPoliticz!!!

In a way this is rather bold even reckless gamble by the empire.... so we shouldn't just look at surface reality...

We must Secure OurBalochistan and OurGawadar... and we must NEVER allow Persia to fall... despite their many follies... we need a high functioning state in OurWesternFlank... one Kabulistan is enough for next 40 years!!!

What is ironic is the fact that Ganguz are in this Game against Iran as well as Pakistan....

Kindly, dig deeper the OmanEquation...try to understand it well... What do you SEE?

Perservation of the State is Highest Virtue.

It is the Only Virtue.


Sadly, we have MarasiMedia and MarasiParliment and we have NO statesman at this hour!

Mangus

@graphican @ps3linux @PakSword @StormBreaker @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster @Horus @The Eagle @HRK @Signalian @Dazzler @Dubious @fitpOsitive @SIPRA
 
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Doesn’t matter being a muslim country these days.

Why we fight for someone else’s stupidity especially when the someone else has been caught red handed multiple times, using its soil against ours.

No offense to you bro but your leaders are sh*t.

All we can do best is table talk for y’all for which you all aren’t ready...

You are thinking of only one side..he is talking about the other side of coin! brother, this all coordinated..this ruse of leaving Iraq is just a smoke & mirror..

We should not be naive...US-Israel-India axis is very relevant..you will see very soon how thing go from bad to worse on Indian front..

Mind you there are only 3 armies remain in muslim countries that can fight and showed they can fight that is Iranian - Pakistani and to some extent Turkish. that`s it! do you understand the gravity of the situation...That`s it..only countries with 3 x armies of Muslim state.

It high time we should let go of shia-sunni what not! mullah no mullah! this game is played to hunt...Iran & Pakistan "The Green Crescent" from left US-Israel and from Right India(RSS)

wait some days...as soon as Iran Makes move against US-Israel you will see RSS India attacking Pakistan.
 
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YoungPakBrother mine,


You make me happy! YoungPaks are learning to SEE and Think!

Now, although too early in the game... let us visit a few facts on the ground...

  • Modi did all he wanted in IoJK and legalising deportation of muslims to ConcentrationCamps... and yet nothing happened
  • GanguTerroristArmy has placed BraMouse near CeaseFireLine... which an extreme act of agression in itself... no voice raised in protest/caution
  • PakKashmiris are still locked up and NOTHING has come from the US/West to remedy it..and all the focus is on HongKong and Ugharz..
  • There is a quiet increase of terrorism in Pakistan.. especially in former FATA and OurBalochistan...
  • We are not allowed to go to KL at the behest of the US...
  • FATF sword not removed...
  • We are asked to facilitate between the US n Iran and then KSA n Iran ...PMIK visits.. Chief visits...
  • Iranian General is assasinated while on diplomatic mission for grand reconciliation between KSA/Iran/US....

In the Hybridwar thread I have tried to bring to attention of Paks that The Greatest Game is in Town and Pakistan is The Heartland....

GanguFacistRegime is fully onboard and is in fact working on the Plan... The Greatest Game ....

Gawadar effected means China boxed in SouthChinaSea and EastChinaSea ...no more TwoOceanPower which it almost now...thanks to CPEC/Pakistan....

I cann't afford for Persia to fall... ignore the rants/brovadoz of our Persian friends.. here... they have the right to express their emotions and posture...

However, we cann't afford to be 'naked' completely from OurWesternBorders...

Whoever controls Gawadar controls the follow of everything from Gulf.... hence, we have seen too much sabotage from friends and foes alike... and we have taken all those hits in our stride...

Should Iran fall... Iraq is in pieces, GCC is giant fireball and kurds do what kurds do... and Turkiye gets sucked in too much...

The Maps are targeted to change once again... please, recall all these maps of GCC where courtesy colonial powers who still control the area....

This is ONLY opportunity
for the GanguTerroristArmy and GanguFacistRegime to cause us harm with help of GanguFriends... in a way it is their LastChance...and Ganguz will go all out...

We shall also face intense terrorism from Kabulistan courtesy NDS/RAW n Friends...

Now if you put all the Vectors together... destruction of Iran will open up CentralAsia to Chaos so the BRI through CA will be effected as well... not to mention oil and gas imports of China and NorthEastAsia... Russia cann't supply enough....because if Rus supplies to NorthEastAsia only then it looses European market and geopolitical control over there... GasPoliticz!!!

In a way this is rather bold even reckless gamble by the empire.... so we shouldn't just look at surface reality...

We must Secure OurBalochistan and OurGawadar... and we must NEVER allow Persia to fall... despite their many follies... we need a high functioning state in OurWesternFlank... one Kabulistan is enough for next 40 years!!!

What is ironic is the fact that Ganguz are in this Game against Iran as well as Pakistan....

Kindly, dig deeper the OmanEquation...try to understand it well... What do you SEE?

Perservation of the State is Highest Virtue.

It is the Only Virtue.


Sadly, we have MarasiMedia and MarasiParliment and we have NO statesman at this hour!

Mangus

@graphican @ps3linux @PakSword @StormBreaker @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster @Horus @The Eagle @HRK @Signalian @Dazzler @Dubious @fitpOsitive @SIPRA
The only thing that comes to my mind is Zionists' agenda of Greater Israel to pave the way for their false Massiah. It's all documented.. in our books as well as their books.. Problem with us is that we make fun of our books, while Jews believe in every word of their books. Quite unfortunate for us..

Could we even think about the plan of greater israel just a month back? now it seems quite possible, isn't it?
 
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Doesn’t matter being a muslim country these days.

Why we fight for someone else’s stupidity especially when the someone else has been caught red handed multiple times, using its soil against ours.

No offense to you bro but your leaders are sh*t.

All we can do best is table talk for y’all for which you all aren’t ready...


non taken bro, well i said that as you have lots of people with love Iran and lots of them don't will what will happen when those people try to help Iran out, they are not 1 or 2 people they are thousands if not millions, that's why i said PK is bound to get involved

Most indefinitely even if not publically shadow support for iran will be there.

From pakistan china afghanland and turkey surely
agreed
 
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YoungPakBrother mine,


You make me happy! YoungPaks are learning to SEE and Think!

Now, although too early in the game... let us visit a few facts on the ground...

  • Modi did all he wanted in IoJK and legalising deportation of muslims to ConcentrationCamps... and yet nothing happened
  • GanguTerroristArmy has placed BraMouse near CeaseFireLine... which an extreme act of agression in itself... no voice raised in protest/caution
  • PakKashmiris are still locked up and NOTHING has come from the US/West to remedy it..and all the focus is on HongKong and Ugharz..
  • There is a quiet increase of terrorism in Pakistan.. especially in former FATA and OurBalochistan...
  • We are not allowed to go to KL at the behest of the US...
  • FATF sword not removed...
  • We are asked to facilitate between the US n Iran and then KSA n Iran ...PMIK visits.. Chief visits...
  • Iranian General is assasinated while on diplomatic mission for grand reconciliation between KSA/Iran/US....
In the Hybridwar thread I have tried to bring to attention of Paks that The Greatest Game is in Town and Pakistan is The Heartland....

GanguFacistRegime is fully onboard and is in fact working on the Plan... The Greatest Game ....

Gawadar effected means China boxed in SouthChinaSea and EastChinaSea ...no more TwoOceanPower which it almost now...thanks to CPEC/Pakistan....

I cann't afford for Persia to fall... ignore the rants/brovadoz of our Persian friends.. here... they have the right to express their emotions and posture...

However, we cann't afford to be 'naked' completely from OurWesternBorders...

Whoever controls Gawadar controls the follow of everything from Gulf.... hence, we have seen too much sabotage from friends and foes alike... and we have taken all those hits in our stride...

Should Iran fall... Iraq is in pieces, GCC is giant fireball and kurds do what kurds do... and Turkiye gets sucked in too much...

The Maps are targeted to change once again... please, recall all these maps of GCC where courtesy colonial powers who still control the area....

This is ONLY opportunity
for the GanguTerroristArmy and GanguFacistRegime to cause us harm with help of GanguFriends... in a way it is their LastChance...and Ganguz will go all out...

We shall also face intense terrorism from Kabulistan courtesy NDS/RAW n Friends...

Now if you put all the Vectors together... destruction of Iran will open up CentralAsia to Chaos so the BRI through CA will be effected as well... not to mention oil and gas imports of China and NorthEastAsia... Russia cann't supply enough....because if Rus supplies to NorthEastAsia only then it looses European market and geopolitical control over there... GasPoliticz!!!

In a way this is rather bold even reckless gamble by the empire.... so we shouldn't just look at surface reality...

We must Secure OurBalochistan and OurGawadar... and we must NEVER allow Persia to fall... despite their many follies... we need a high functioning state in OurWesternFlank... one Kabulistan is enough for next 40 years!!!

What is ironic is the fact that Ganguz are in this Game against Iran as well as Pakistan....

Kindly, dig deeper the OmanEquation...try to understand it well... What do you SEE?

Perservation of the State is Highest Virtue.

It is the Only Virtue.


Sadly, we have MarasiMedia and MarasiParliment and we have NO statesman at this hour!

Mangus

@graphican @ps3linux @PakSword @StormBreaker @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster @Horus @The Eagle @HRK @Signalian @Dazzler @Dubious @fitpOsitive @SIPRA

Never too late to read your deep and beautiful pieces.

Among your lines, one caught my attention.
Oil for Russia and China. Iran means a lot to them that means.

And the problem of US with iran is the oil to Russia and others. So CPEC bring in PLAN to have a heavy presence towards Arabian sea and Hormouz strait to keep in check the devil movements of USA.

This in turn provides a sense of security to iran as an ally of theirs.

So this situation indeed has the potential to trigger WWIII.

Would Russia and China move in to defend iran by means of providing them with weapons ?

But that won’t be practical as Iranis don’t have experience operating those machines.

You are thinking of only one side..he is talking about the other side of coin! brother, this all coordinated..this ruse of leaving Iraq is just a smoke & mirror..

We should not be naive...US-Israel-India axis is very relevant..you will see very soon how thing go from bad to worse on Indian front..

Mind you there are only 3 armies remain in muslim countries that can fight and showed they can fight that is Iranian - Pakistani and to some extent Turkish. that`s it! do you understand the gravity of the situation...That`s it..only countries with 3 x armies of Muslim state.

It high time we should let go of shia-sunni what not! mullah no mullah! this game is played to hunt...Iran & Pakistan "The Green Crescent" from left US-Israel and from Right India(RSS)

wait some days...as soon as Iran Makes move against US-Israel you will see RSS India attacking Pakistan.

non taken bro, well i said that as you have lots of people with love Iran and lots of them don't will what will happen when those people try to help Iran out, they are not 1 or 2 people they are thousands if not millions, that's why i said PK is bound to get involved


agreed
They are in millions. And out of them, quite a big chunk would be eager to go for a fight similar to Soviet-Afg war situation.

I have no beef with Iran as a country or its people or the associated sect. Normal irani civilians are quite humble and mind their own business.

What i hate is the Indian influence upon iran.
 
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